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Can  anybody tell me how the heck Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam became a colonies to the France ?? and when did that happened ??



         In 18 century when the industry revolution in Europe . Then the European countries were hunting for natural resources and colonies . So most of the counties in Africa middle east and south America and Asia countries were colonized by the European countries in Asia except Japan and Thailand which were not colonized by any one. China was not totally lost the whole country only some part to the British and Japan . Vietnam was colonized by the Chinese for hundreds of years so Vietnamese share the same new year with China and some Chinese culture as well. Cambodia was rule by Siam and then Laos lost the independent to Siam in 1779  and Chao Anouvong tried to get the independent back from Thailand and failed in 1828 , So Jao Anouvong family and blood line was destroyed and took to be prisoner of war and a lot of Laotian became slave for many hundred of years until the king of Thailand stop the slavery and then those Laotian becane Siamese citizen and then after the world war ll siam changed the name to Thailand. I just wonder if the French didn't come and take Vientiane , Champasak and Luang Prabang from the Siam what would happen to Laos.
Laos still exist in the world map or Laos would be part of Thailand like Lanna and Esan ( Perhaps Laos would be called Thai Vientiane, Thai Champasak and Thai Luang Prabang if Lao s are still part of Thailand). So something to learn from the history that Laos lost the war to China , Burma , Vietnam and Siam because we were not united (jealousy, selfish , corruption and betray ). Hope that the history would never ever repeat itself again. Today 21 st century there are the new way to hunt for colony by indirectly dominated the government economically and politically and hope Lao people could prevent that from happening to Laos and preserve Lao culture and be proud to be Lao people with wonder culture. There is no way to bring back yesterday but we could protect what we have now. So Lao people would become the minority  and become second class citizen in our own country.

 



Why would you want us to be minority or second class citizen of our own country?

 



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Can  anybody tell me how the heck Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam became a colonies to the France ?? and when did that happened ??



         In 18 century when the industry revolution in Europe . Then the European countries were hunting for natural resources and colonies . So most of the counties in Africa middle east and south America and Asia countries were colonized by the European countries in Asia except Japan and Thailand which were not colonized by any one. China was not totally lost the whole country only some part to the British and Japan . Vietnam was colonized by the Chinese for hundreds of years so Vietnamese share the same new year with China and some Chinese culture as well. Cambodia was rule by Siam and then Laos lost the independent to Siam in 1779  and Chao Anouvong tried to get the independent back from Thailand and failed in 1828 , So Jao Anouvong family and blood line was destroyed and took to be prisoner of war and a lot of Laotian became slave for many hundred of years until the king of Thailand stop the slavery and then those Laotian becane Siamese citizen and then after the world war ll siam changed the name to Thailand. I just wonder if the French didn't come and take Vientiane , Champasak and Luang Prabang from the Siam what would happen to Laos.
Laos still exist in the world map or Laos would be part of Thailand like Lanna and Esan ( Perhaps Laos would be called Thai Vientiane, Thai Champasak and Thai Luang Prabang if Lao s are still part of Thailand). So something to learn from the history that Laos lost the war to China , Burma , Vietnam and Siam because we were not united (jealousy, selfish , corruption and betray ). Hope that the history would never ever repeat itself again. Today 21 st century there are the new way to hunt for colony by indirectly dominated the government economically and politically and hope Lao people could prevent that from happening to Laos and preserve Lao culture and be proud to be Lao people with wonder culture. There is no way to bring back yesterday but we could protect what we have now. So Lao people would become the minority  and become second class citizen in our own country.

 



Why would you want us to be minority or second class citizen of our own country?

 



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Lao people don't want to become the minority and second class citizen in our own country. I forget to write( not )in the last comment.

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Can  anybody tell me how the heck Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam became a colonies to the France ?? and when did that happened ??



         In 18 century when the industry revolution in Europe . Then the European countries were hunting for natural resources and colonies . So most of the counties in Africa middle east and south America and Asia countries were colonized by the European countries in Asia except Japan and Thailand which were not colonized by any one. China was not totally lost the whole country only some part to the British and Japan . Vietnam was colonized by the Chinese for hundreds of years so Vietnamese share the same new year with China and some Chinese culture as well. Cambodia was rule by Siam and then Laos lost the independent to Siam in 1779  and Chao Anouvong tried to get the independent back from Thailand and failed in 1828 , So Jao Anouvong family and blood line was destroyed and took to be prisoner of war and a lot of Laotian became slave for many hundred of years until the king of Thailand stop the slavery and then those Laotian becane Siamese citizen and then after the world war ll siam changed the name to Thailand. I just wonder if the French didn't come and take Vientiane , Champasak and Luang Prabang from the Siam what would happen to Laos.
Laos still exist in the world map or Laos would be part of Thailand like Lanna and Esan ( Perhaps Laos would be called Thai Vientiane, Thai Champasak and Thai Luang Prabang if Lao s are still part of Thailand). So something to learn from the history that Laos lost the war to China , Burma , Vietnam and Siam because we were not united (jealousy, selfish , corruption and betray ). Hope that the history would never ever repeat itself again. Today 21 st century there are the new way to hunt for colony by indirectly dominated the government economically and politically and hope Lao people could prevent that from happening to Laos and preserve Lao culture and be proud to be Lao people with wonder culture. There is no way to bring back yesterday but we could protect what we have now. So Lao people would become the minority  and become second class citizen in our own country.

 



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Can  anybody tell me how the heck Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam became a colonies to the France ?? and when did that happened ??



  Well, no teachers have ever taught  you Laos history  in the school. I don't blame you , I am still wonder about the truth  about Laos but I made a research on my own  still need more answer and explanation like you. I have studied about all the countries were involved with Laos such as China , Burma, Vietnam , Cambodia and Siam and also the France which were record ed and related to lead to the other and try to find the fact. For sure that Lang Xang always lost the war to the China and lost Sip song Phana to China , Burma invaded Lang Xang , Vietnam also invaded Lang Xang and caused Lang Xang to divide into 3 kingdoms. Then in 1779 Lang Xang become Thai colony until the French came in1897 and then Laos became the French colony until 1949 that Laos declare independent but it was not recognized until 1954. That is what I knew if I was wrong please correct me.

 



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Laos and Cambodia used to be the Siam's colonial and when French & Britain came to Asia for Colonialism and ask Siam to give them Laos and Cambodia otherwise they will use the hightech canon to attack Siam at that time they had fighting at Koh Change island in Thailand but Thai Navi fail and the King of Siam had to cut Laos and Cambodia to French. Britain took Malaysia, Indonesia and Burma and using Siam as a buffer state between two nations\

After we are under French Colinial it was so bad as same as we were under Siam. Frech took a lot of things out from Laos and Cambodia

So funny some of you said if no french..no Laos today.

You should say, if no French, No Siam, No Laos weaked Kings and Communist Party today..Laos maybe the great Nation in Asian already



He is right.  No French, No Laos.  Siam took all of Laos already.  You think Laos can be free from Siam without French? 

 



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Laos and Cambodia used to be the Siam's colonial and when French & Britain came to Asia for Colonialism and ask Siam to give them Laos and Cambodia otherwise they will use the hightech canon to attack Siam at that time they had fighting at Koh Change island in Thailand but Thai Navi fail and the King of Siam had to cut Laos and Cambodia to French. Britain took Malaysia, Indonesia and Burma and using Siam as a buffer state between two nations\

After we are under French Colinial it was so bad as same as we were under Siam. Frech took a lot of things out from Laos and Cambodia

So funny some of you said if no french..no Laos today.

You should say, if no French, No Siam, No Laos weaked Kings and Communist Party today..Laos maybe the great Nation in Asian already

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there is a long railroad near my rice field in thakhek and now we can see some part of road and bridges, if the World war 2 wouldn't start, the france could complete the project and Laos would probably different country now??

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I don't know exaclty how France colonized Vietnam and Cambodia... i know a little bit more about Laos

At this time, Laos was "weak" because divided into 3 kingdoms.

All neightbours were very interested about Laos : Thai wanted to enhanced their territory and had begun to invade Laos. French wanted to secure their vietnam frontier, and some chinese thieves regulary attacked lao people from the north.

Both chinese and thai (siamese) people treated lao people very rudly

A french guy called Auguste Pavie went to Laos to explore the land from Vietnam and Cambodia, serving french administration.

This guy was particulary friendly and interested in lao culture, that's why he could gain the "sympathy" (hearts) of many lao people

When he arrived in Luang prabang, the chinese attacked the city at the same time, and August Pavie had the opportunity to save the life of the king of luang prabang

At the same time, Pavie proposed to place the lao kingdom under "french protection", what the king accepted. So France did what they could to make the siamese go back home (diplomatic + military blocus of Bangkok harbour). They also secured the north from chinese attacks. Most of Laos became french, but a part (Issan, oposite mekong) remained Thai...

If french didn't came, Laos would probably be today just one more province of Thailand.
I think that, precisely at this time, accepting french "domination" was the less bad option for Laos.

Anyway, as said above, french were clearly not good "long term" administrators for Laos. French were interested in Laos just to secure their vietnamese border. So they did very little to develop the landlocked country. And all french were probably not as friendly and respectfull as Auguste Pavie. Moreover, french asked vietnamese people to manage the country (work for administrations..), what lao people disliked a lot (i can undersand).... So... after WWII, when France was so weak, it was time for Laos to retreive independancy. ;)

-- Edited by paris_vientiane on Tuesday 30th of March 2010 02:10:43 PM



You right french save lao,if french don't came no lao today

 



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Can  anybody tell me how the heck Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam became a colonies to the France ?? and when did that happened ??




France seized control of most of present-day Laos from Siam in 1893 and gained the rest in 1907. The French administered the kingdom of Louangphrabang indirectly through its king, while French officials directly administered the rest of the country. They did little to develop Laos, which became the sleepy backwater of Indochina.

During World War II (1939-1945) Japan stationed troops in Indochina under an agreement with the French, who maintained their administration throughout most of the war. In the last six months of the war the Japanese seized control of Indochina and interned French officials and troops. The Japanese granted Laos nominal independence in 1945.

After Japan and its allies lost the war, a nationalist movement known as the Lao Issara (Free Laos) formed an independent government in Laos. However, France reoccupied Laos the following year, and the nationalists fled to Thailand. The French unified their Lao territories into a single country with the king of Louangphrabang, Sisavang Vong, as head of state. Under French supervision, the new government adopted a constitution and joined the French Union. In 1949 France granted Laos partial independence and extended an offer of amnesty to the nationalists in exile, most of whom returned to the country. A few dissidents under the leadership of Prince Souphanouvong, however, allied themselves with the forces of the pro-Communist Vietnamese liberation movement known as the Viet Minh, who were still fighting the French. The Lao dissidents called their movement Pathet Lao (Lao State). When Viet Minh forces invaded Laos in 1953, they handed over large areas of the country to the Pathet Lao. France accorded Laos full independence in 1953 as a constitutional monarchy, the Kingdom of Laos. Delegates to the 1954 Geneva Conference, who were negotiating France’s withdrawal from Indochina at the end of the First Indochina War (1946-1954), endorsed the country’s independent status.

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Thanks for the Information Sir/Mam. as i' ve read the details upthere, our country really a backward country sine the Thirties something. it' didn't start when PDR take over the country at all.

 

 



Are you kidding me? After Lao PDR invaded Laos literacy rate has jumped up from 30% to 70%. Before 1975 Lao educational systems were equivalent to most our  neighboring countries starting with Thailand,  Cambodia and etc...after Lao PDR it has been taking the back seat comparison to our neighboring countries to this day.

If it isn't back ward then you certainly don't know the meaning of the word!

 



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I don't know exaclty how France colonized Vietnam and Cambodia... i know a little bit more about Laos

At this time, Laos was "weak" because divided into 3 kingdoms.

All neightbours were very interested about Laos : Thai wanted to enhanced their territory and had begun to invade Laos. French wanted to secure their vietnam frontier, and some chinese thieves regulary attacked lao people from the north.

Both chinese and thai (siamese) people treated lao people very rudly

A french guy called Auguste Pavie went to Laos to explore the land from Vietnam and Cambodia, serving french administration.

This guy was particulary friendly and interested in lao culture, that's why he could gain the "sympathy" (hearts) of many lao people

When he arrived in Luang prabang, the chinese attacked the city at the same time, and August Pavie had the opportunity to save the life of the king of luang prabang

At the same time, Pavie proposed to place the lao kingdom under "french protection", what the king accepted. So France did what they could to make the siamese go back home (diplomatic + military blocus of Bangkok harbour). They also secured the north from chinese attacks. Most of Laos became french, but a part (Issan, oposite mekong) remained Thai...

If french didn't came, Laos would probably be today just one more province of Thailand.
I think that, precisely at this time, accepting french "domination" was the less bad option for Laos.

Anyway, as said above, french were clearly not good "long term" administrators for Laos. French were interested in Laos just to secure their vietnamese border. So they did very little to develop the landlocked country. And all french were probably not as friendly and respectfull as Auguste Pavie. Moreover, french asked vietnamese people to manage the country (work for administrations..), what lao people disliked a lot (i can undersand).... So... after WWII, when France was so weak, it was time for Laos to retreive independancy. ;)

-- Edited by paris_vientiane on Tuesday 30th of March 2010 02:10:43 PM

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Can  anybody tell me how the heck Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam became a colonies to the France ?? and when did that happened ??




 France seized control of most of present-day Laos from Siam in 1893 and gained the rest in 1907. The French administered the kingdom of Louangphrabang indirectly through its king, while French officials directly administered the rest of the country. They did little to develop Laos, which became the sleepy backwater of Indochina.

During World War II (1939-1945) Japan stationed troops in Indochina under an agreement with the French, who maintained their administration throughout most of the war. In the last six months of the war the Japanese seized control of Indochina and interned French officials and troops. The Japanese granted Laos nominal independence in 1945.

After Japan and its allies lost the war, a nationalist movement known as the Lao Issara (Free Laos) formed an independent government in Laos. However, France reoccupied Laos the following year, and the nationalists fled to Thailand. The French unified their Lao territories into a single country with the king of Louangphrabang, Sisavang Vong, as head of state. Under French supervision, the new government adopted a constitution and joined the French Union. In 1949 France granted Laos partial independence and extended an offer of amnesty to the nationalists in exile, most of whom returned to the country. A few dissidents under the leadership of Prince Souphanouvong, however, allied themselves with the forces of the pro-Communist Vietnamese liberation movement known as the Viet Minh, who were still fighting the French. The Lao dissidents called their movement Pathet Lao (Lao State). When Viet Minh forces invaded Laos in 1953, they handed over large areas of the country to the Pathet Lao. France accorded Laos full independence in 1953 as a constitutional monarchy, the Kingdom of Laos. Delegates to the 1954 Geneva Conference, who were negotiating France’s withdrawal from Indochina at the end of the First Indochina War (1946-1954), endorsed the country’s independent status.

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Thanks for the Information Sir/Mam. as i' ve read the details upthere, our country really a backward country sine the Thirties something. it' didn't start when PDR take over the country at all.

 



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Can  anybody tell me how the heck Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam became a colonies to the France ?? and when did that happened ??




 France seized control of most of present-day Laos from Siam in 1893 and gained the rest in 1907. The French administered the kingdom of Louangphrabang indirectly through its king, while French officials directly administered the rest of the country. They did little to develop Laos, which became the sleepy backwater of Indochina.

During World War II (1939-1945) Japan stationed troops in Indochina under an agreement with the French, who maintained their administration throughout most of the war. In the last six months of the war the Japanese seized control of Indochina and interned French officials and troops. The Japanese granted Laos nominal independence in 1945.

After Japan and its allies lost the war, a nationalist movement known as the Lao Issara (Free Laos) formed an independent government in Laos. However, France reoccupied Laos the following year, and the nationalists fled to Thailand. The French unified their Lao territories into a single country with the king of Louangphrabang, Sisavang Vong, as head of state. Under French supervision, the new government adopted a constitution and joined the French Union. In 1949 France granted Laos partial independence and extended an offer of amnesty to the nationalists in exile, most of whom returned to the country. A few dissidents under the leadership of Prince Souphanouvong, however, allied themselves with the forces of the pro-Communist Vietnamese liberation movement known as the Viet Minh, who were still fighting the French. The Lao dissidents called their movement Pathet Lao (Lao State). When Viet Minh forces invaded Laos in 1953, they handed over large areas of the country to the Pathet Lao. France accorded Laos full independence in 1953 as a constitutional monarchy, the Kingdom of Laos. Delegates to the 1954 Geneva Conference, who were negotiating France’s withdrawal from Indochina at the end of the First Indochina War (1946-1954), endorsed the country’s independent status.

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