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Laos does not want to be like China you loner.  It was just last year that the Lao PDR ministers said South Korea should be Laos' model.  You should go troll them in their offices.

 



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A lot of people can be in Laos and have no idea the changes going on in Laos. 

 


 

Vietnam sure knows what's going on.  They don't like it.



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Douanchay Phichit's and Soukan Mahalath's men are pissed at the Viets who they once served.  The Viets act as if the Lao PDR leaders don't have any feelings. 

 



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Laos does not want to be like China you loner.  It was just last year that the Lao PDR ministers said South Korea should be Laos' model.  You should go troll them in their offices.

 


 

 

That's all great and dandy, but they should take a look at the Korean's work ethic. There's no show up to work late by an hour or two and play on your phone all day like you have in Laos.

Laos will be fine once the gaew is off Laos' back.  It still doesn't want to let go. 



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Douanchay Phichit's and Soukan Mahalath's men are pissed at the Viets who they once served.  The Viets act as if the Lao PDR leaders don't have any feelings. 

 


 

 

It's well known Douangchay was trying to break free from the gaew.  But the gaew got to him first.  A lot of people in Vientiane and Laos in general are not as stupid as the park lat wants them to be.



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Meshika

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Douanchay Phichit's and Soukan Mahalath's men are pissed at the Viets who they once served.  The Viets act as if the Lao PDR leaders don't have any feelings. 

 


 

 

It's well known Douangchay was trying to break free from the gaew.  But the gaew got to him first.  A lot of people in Vientiane and Laos in general are not as stupid as the park lat wants them to be.


 Wow so now the Vietnamese shot down the airplane? Or they hired some bannok Viet to crash the plane just before landing? What is your grand theory oh wise grandpa? Look once again you ignore the fact that the people who lead us are Lao. They don't have to step up and according to you (bow down to Vietnamese) they can just refuse positions can't they? Laos has a problem with corruption and that is the bottom line. This practice of giving people extra money and etc has been in the culture for hundreds of years. So despite you always trying to blame the Vietnamese for corrupting Laos, these are Lao people doing these things.  The revolution was supposed to get rid of ancient corrupt methods of governance, but sadly it looks like it failed.

If overnight Lao changed and had the 100% backing of America or South Korea or whatever nation you choose there will still be corruption. America supports many nations that are just as bad or worse to their people as Lao leadership and nobody says sh1t. Why? Because America supports them and America is the democratic beacon of light for the world. I am sure if America was the main supporter in Laos, you wouldn't be blabbing about how all Lao leaders have to bow to the white man would you? ( like from 1900 to 1960s)

 

http://theweek.com/article/index/211722/5-dictators-the-us-still-supports

http://www.ihrri.com/contry.php



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Meshika

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Uzbekistan and Obama’s Indictable Commitment to Tyranny http://antiwar.com/blog/2011/10/26/uzbekistan-and-obamas-indictable-commitment-to-tyranny/

John Glaser, October 26, 2011

It’s amazing to see the roundabout justifications in the media regarding the Obama administration’s increasingly close relationship with Uzbekistan and its monstrous dictator Islam Karimov. As I’ve written previously, the Uzbek government is one of the worst human rights violators in the world. The Bush administration supported the regime handsomely in order to have military bases there and help supply American troops in Afghanistan. The Karimov regime engaged in wretched abuses against individuals caught up in the Bush administration’s War on Terror, and became known for widespread torture, including boiling people alive and raping people with broken bottles. Former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan, Craig Murray, wrote an important book on this.

Turkmenistan

The Obama administration, like the Bush administration before it, has been pursuing closer ties with Turkmenistan, which both borders Afghanistan and has some of the largest proven gas reserves in the world. The United States sends supplies for the Afghan war through Turkmenistan, which is part of the northern corridor into Afghanistan, a crucial alternative to dangerous supply routes through Pakistan. Turkmenistan received $2 million in military aid in 2010, up from just $150,000 in 2009. Because of its strategic importance in Central Asia, the country has been graced by visits from top U.S. officials, including Gen. David Petraeus.

It seems not to matter to U.S. policymakers that Turkmenistan is run by one of the most repressive regimes in existence. Its current president, Gurbanguly Berdymukhamedov, was the dentist of the previous president-for-life, who died in 2006. The regime, alternatively described in the press as “Stalinist” and “hermit-like,” presides over the following impressively long list of human rights violations, according to a 2009 State Department report:

citizens’ inability to change their government; reports of torture and mistreatment of detainees; incommunicado and prolonged detention; arbitrary arrest and detention; denial of due process and fair trial; arbitrary interference with privacy, home, and correspondence; restrictions on freedom of speech, press, assembly, and association; restrictions on religious freedom, including continued harassment of religious minority group members; restrictions on freedom of movement for some citizens, including increased restrictions on those intending to study abroad; violence against women; and restrictions on free association of workers.

 



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Listen to what Vientiane people know about the Xieng Khouang incident and you'll know what happened.  Get out the house for once. 

Do you even know what happened to Chounmaly?

How can you be a hardcore Pathet Lao fangirl if you don't pay attention to Lao current events?



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Listen to what Vientiane people know about the Xieng Khouang incident and you'll know what happened.  Get out the house for once. 

Do you even know what happened to Chounmaly?

How can you be a hardcore Pathet Lao fangirl if you don't pay attention to Lao current events?


 

 

He doesn't know. 



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Chounmaly really has no where to turn.  Just last year he was speaking so highly of Vietnam and look how they treat him.  There are and has always been Patikarn within the Lao PDR ladder but he can't turn to them because he isn't well liked.  He doesn't trust anyone right now and that's why his wife refuses to leave their house and many of his children and grandchildren have gone overseas this year.

 



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The Chinese aren't happy with Chounmaly as well. Lao people know the ultimatum they gave him and he said no.

 

He has a lot on his plate.  I'm sure all the flyers and stickers in Vientiane and in the provinces is making Lao people think twice about the path Laos is on.

 

It's Thongsing that is doing the sucking up right now to save his own ass.  He made many trips to Vietnam recently.



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Bouasone, Sonexay, and a few others were jokeying to be the next Lao PM.  I don't think neither of them want that position anymore since the situation in Laos has gotten complicated as it has.

Interesting how things change in just a year's span.



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Listen to what Vientiane people know about the Xieng Khouang incident and you'll know what happened.  Get out the house for once. 

Do you even know what happened to Chounmaly?

How can you be a hardcore Pathet Lao fangirl if you don't pay attention to Lao current events?


 

 

He doesn't know. 


 

 

 

Who cares?  There's a good amount of fools like who are in denial about the changes in Laos.  Most of them are 50+ though.  They're the minority because even the hardheaded folks who were also once in denial now understand that Laos is not the same and understand the relationship between Laos/Vietnam/China is a messy love triangle.   Chounmaly and the rest of them have daily reminders of these things.  All their wealth can't comfort them now.  Douangchay had his men sleep outside of his house because of his distrust of the Vietnamese.



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7-8 Lao PDR top dogs croaked all within the month leading up to he Chounmaly incidences.  That's not including the Xieng Khouang incident.  Chounmaly was fresh out of the hospital and told his fellow party members not to talk about it.  Some of the men were known to have had friction with the Viets in the past.  One of them was Souphanouvong's right hand.  Vietnam hasn't cleaned house like this in Laos since the late 90's.



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Thongsing said this week that anyone that critiques the party is a liar.  The turd thinks he's above criticism.  He's actually bringing in a team of Vietnamese technicians to regulate the Lao people.  Criticism others is normal part of public/work life.  Maybe if the turd didn't grow up in a cave he would know that. 



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Meshika

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Yea yea I don't know I don't know critique of me is old. You old fart lao nork live in fantasy land and act like anybody affiliated with the LPRP are just Vietnamese.  The people who run Laos are Lao. Past and present. Its Lao people that are doing the stealing. There are a hell of a lot of big luxury SUV here with 9999 according to you they are all Vietnamese or party members? Bullsh1t. Lao is corrupt from the top even to the middle. This is Lao culture. Bribery has been apart of it since Lanxang. You all are deluded and wear thick blinders to think that changing the party will change corrupt culture here. 

There are lots of good Lao people who do believe in socialism and the party still. Just like there are lots of bad ones who are corrupt and aren't even connected to the government. 

Laos needs a cultural revolution to fully clean house of bad ideals and corruption. Not the unregulated neoliberal crap you want it to have. I still believe in socialism and it would work if fully implemented properly. Taking away Vietnam/China from Laos and adding America as its main monetary support won't change anything and possibly will be worse.



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Meshika

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Thongsing said this week that anyone that critiques the party is a liar.  The turd thinks he's above criticism.  He's actually bringing in a team of Vietnamese technicians to regulate the Lao people.  Criticism others is normal part of public/work life.  Maybe if the turd didn't grow up in a cave he would know that. 


 Reminds me of what Bush and the Republicans used to say of those who questioned their policies. With statements like these who wanted to criticize ? You would be labeled as helping the enemy or unpatriotic lol. 

 

Dick Cheney pointed out on Meet The Press that any criticism of President Bush’s foreign policy literally encourages and aids terrorists (in 2006).  A number of Republican Senators have also said that anyone criticizing the President’s foreign policy during a time of war “is harming national security and endangering US troops” (also in 2006).

 

February 2002: Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle expresses mild disagreement with US anti-terror policies, saying US success in the war on terror "is still somewhat in doubt." In response, Rep. Tom Davis (R-VA) says that Daschle's "divisive comments have the effect of giving aid and comfort to our enemies by allowing them to exploit divisions in our country."

 

December 2001: In response to Democratic plans to question parts of the USA Patriot Act during a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing, John Ashcroft suggests that people who disagree with the administration's anti-terrorism policies are on the side of the terrorists. "To those who pit Americans against immigrants, and citizens against non-citizens; to those who scare peace-loving people with phantoms of lost liberty, my message is this: Your tactics only aid terrorists, for they erode our national unity and diminish our resolve. They give ammunition to America's enemies, and pause to America's friends. They encourage people of good will to remain silent in the face of evil."



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LOL None of this has to do with Laos. 

Answer my original question.  What happened to Chounmaly recently?

Why did half of his family all of the sudden move out of Laos right after?



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Meshika

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LOL None of this has to do with Laos. 

Answer my original question.  What happened to Chounmaly recently?

Why did half of his family all of the sudden move out of Laos right after?


 1. The number of expensive suv and cars here is quite large. Do all these belong to the same party memebers? You always proudly state all Lao people are tired of this horrible regime. So I'm not sure, all the people with vigos and land cruiser are the ones complaining or do you actually talk to people who just drive motobike? They can't all be Vietnamese can they?

2. I really do not care what happened. Guess it is something bad right? Since you keep on yapping about it. I don't think LAos changes if he is gone or if he is here. He is already old to begin with... Right because I don't know, I 'really dont know what is going on in Laos' routine. Isn't it kind of old?

3. Hm Don't care about his family that much either. Let me guess... Vietnamese are killing Lao people again right? same old same old. Maybe they can go to Amerikkka, Amerikkka hosts lots of corrupt leaders from China already. It's part of their 'democracy package' smile

4. Corruption in Laos is everywhere. IT is in the Lao culture. With Vietnam or without Vietnam it would exist. Just like it exists in EVERY country. If Laos was truely a corrupt communist state gone bad, it would be like Romania or one of the Eastern Europe nations where ONLY government and a small amount of families could even AFFORD a car.

5. Lao norks are hyprocritical and continue to wear blinders. Stupid sh1t like calling people traitors and not loving democracy is the equivalent as Mr. Thammovong saying party critics are liars. Your own leaders did it yet you said nothing. Or you probably didn't even pay attention when your leaders' said such garbage. Or even more scary, you might have agreed with them. disbelief You give the white man a pass for being stupid 24/7. But I guess you have to appease the white man since you live at his house.

Congrats! You know so much about the Vietnamese killing Lao. Does it total up yet to the amount of Lao killed by the American bombings? You gotta get to at least 30,000 or even up to 50,000 Lao people dead.

 



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He's the highest party member in Laos you idiot.  Of course you care and you probably know what happened but are in denial.  You're just pretending like you don't.  It does change the whole landscape in Laos.

 



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Somsavat just got the boot this past week LOL.  He's been told to leave months ago but he wanted to stay FM as long as possible because his children are getting a lot of commission from all the foreign businesses.  At the end of the day it's not his decision and it's not up to any Lao person's decision either. 



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He's the highest party member in Laos you idiot.  Of course you care and you probably know what happened but are in denial.  You're just pretending like you don't.  It does change the whole landscape in Laos.

 


 

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Funny how some Party members started disrespecting Chounmaly soon after his accident.  People were so high on him just last year and showed him respect.  Just because the Vietnamese turned on him doesn't mean the party has to.  But a lot of them did and its the ones looking out for their own asses and want to be in good graces with the Viets.  But it's a dog eat dog world.  If Chounmaly doesn't grow a spine and stand up to the Viets, they'll discard him like they did Douangchay.  They already tried twice. 



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Meshika

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He's the highest party member in Laos you idiot.  Of course you care and you probably know what happened but are in denial.  You're just pretending like you don't.  It does change the whole landscape in Laos.

 


 

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Funny how some Party members started disrespecting Chounmaly soon after his accident.  People were so high on him just last year and showed him respect.  Just because the Vietnamese turned on him doesn't mean the party has to.  But a lot of them did and its the ones looking out for their own asses and want to be in good graces with the Viets.  But it's a dog eat dog world.  If Chounmaly doesn't grow a spine and stand up to the Viets, they'll discard him like they did Douangchay.  They already tried twice. 


 You do realize the Vietnamese could literally just march down from Hanoi and install their own government right? You sound like many of those out of touch Americans who want to cling desperately to their guns in case the "government" attacks them. So much irrational fear of Vietnam. America has literally done so much more(in a bad way) to Laos than Vietnam.

I think today Vietnam could come in and remove all the top officials here and promote their own, now with America having to support Vietnam do to tensions with China.



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No, Vietnam can't.  If they could have they would have done so in the 70's.  Vietnam is not all powerful but they're influential as they are in Cambodia. 

If they were that powerful Bounyang Vorachit, Somsavat and the rest of them would have bowed out when they were told to.  Somsavat finally succumbed to pressure. 

Maybe if you were related to any important Lao PDR men you would know these things.  But you're related to low-mid level fools who drive around in Vigos thinking they're more important than they're actually are.  I see these types all the time.

 

 



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Somsavat was forced to leave once already.

 



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Meshika

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No, Vietnam can't.  If they could have they would have done so in the 70's.  Vietnam is not all powerful but they're influential as they are in Cambodia. 

If they were that powerful Bounyang Vorachit, Somsavat and the rest of them would have bowed out when they were told to.  Somsavat finally succumbed to pressure. 

Maybe if you were related to any important Lao PDR men you would know these things.  But you're related to low-mid level fools who drive around in Vigos thinking they're more important than they're actually are.  I see these types all the time.

 

 


 Are you for real? Who or what would stop Vietnam from sending in a large force to crush the native Lao PDR gov ? Nobody blinked when the military replaced Yingluck in Thailand, except for maybe a week or less worth of news stories. Vietnam even runs CAmbodia now and nobody cares. Nobody would care if they did that as we speak. You all are seriously way too paranoid.  You know how many governments the US has toppled or played a major part in toppling? confuse It is similar to paranoia that right wing uneducated whites have in America, that they need to keep machine guns and grenades at home in case socialist non white/american Obama sends the army to their housebiggrin

Oh so you are related to such 'privaleged individuals'? Are you ashamed? I thought those privaleged individuals were nothing but Vietnamese puppets who are not 100% real Lao like Lao norks are. Do you ever have a talk and ask why are you behaving this way pinong?  Never would a native Lao be corrupt, thats only for Viet Lao like Kaysone right? I think any Lao given power in any system would be corrupt. It is the trend worldwide. Not just communist  or capitalist nations, everywhere has corrupt people.

Would have bowed out? This is Laos we are talking about. The same country Lao norks complain about that the government (vietnamese) can do anything and get away with it. You know how easy it is to stage a car crash or killing  or poisining and blame it on someone else. 'just ask Merikkka' they kill off many world leaders.  Dont you remember you all just complained about the plane crash and the Vietnamese and etc etc. confuse Talk about having selective memory.



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No one said you have to be related to anyone.  Everyday average Lao people know these things and it's a popular topic among friends. 

I was talking about your sorry behind who was bragging about having party members as relatives and how great the party was.  Since you claim to have no idea what happened to the most important party member in Laos and all.

Lao Norks aren't doing anything smart guy.  All this stuff is Lao Nai business.

Keep crying.  haha



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It doesn't matter if the RLG or Pathet Lao controlled Laos after 1975.  If the Vietnamese had left Laos to the Pathet Lao after 1975, the Pathet Lao would have found a middle path for Laos as would have the RLG if they were still in power.  That's why many of the top Pathet Lao leaders were killed by the Vietnamese throughout the late 70's-80's.  It was because they stood up to the Vietnamese.  Many do not know that there were many meetings between former RLG and Pathet Lao all through out the 80's.  Their mutual goal was to get Laos out of Vietnam's grip.

 


 

 

No different from how a lot of Pak Lat and Lao Noks have stayed in contact over the years.



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Somsavat was forced to leave once already.

 


 

He lives in New Zealand.  He was at the local temple almost everyday.



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Somsavat was forced to leave once already.

 


 

He lives in New Zealand.  He was at the local temple almost everyday.


 

I mean lived.



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Don't be surprised if Bounyang Vorachit steps down any time soon.  He was told in March to step down along with Somsavat.

These men do not want to retire as they're still fixated on material gain.  But it's not their choice.  They were placed there.



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Bounyang probably saw what happened to Chounamly and folded.  Wouldn't be surprised is he leaves Laos too.



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Bounyang probably saw what happened to Chounamly and folded.  Wouldn't be surprised is he leaves Laos too.


 

*will eventually



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Bounyang is irrelevant. 



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I'm very interested to see which direction Chounmaly takes now as he is the head of Laos.  Thongsing is a lost cause as he makes multiple trips each month to see his daddies and get his allowance. 



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ประเทศลาวในปัจจุบันนี้ไม่มีผู้นำ

พรรครัฐเพียงแค่คนทำหน้าที่แทนเวียดนาม

ประชาชนลาวรู้ความจริงมานานแล้ว

แต่ว่าทำอะไรไม่ได้



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เวียดนามกลัวว่าลาวกับเขมรจะได้อิสรภาพจากเขา



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