Do you want Vientiane to have big China town ?

Date: Dec 3, 2007

Do you want Vientiane to have big China town ?

Date: Dec 3, 2007

No, i do not! Authorithy should get PUBLIC OPINION for this problem, it's ok to let some EDUCATED or WTH BIG CAPITAL chinese people to live in Laos but not big that construct a china town.
you know chinese culture, they like to have many children, most is they like to have son, they can give birth untill they get a son. then Lao pupulation will increase too fast campare to economic increase.
what i want to say that Laos need to have a policy to accept on ly EDUCATED foreingner like some countries have done: allow only people with university degree up to get lao natinality
if laos needs capital Laos must use apolicy like: you can get Lao national li ty with a certian amount of capital.. many problems to be consider

Date: Dec 3, 2007

Down town Vientiane it is already China town . Many chinese people own the house in down town of vientiane . where had u been

Date: Dec 3, 2007

It seems like Vientiane will become a china province in a very foreseeable future
if the government keeps asking for china help. Why ? a chinese donation to laos
would likely have " a number of move in chinese population " included. what kind of policy is this ? any one cares to elaborate on this ?
(Ex : the new sport complex and the new Thaad Luang project )

blankstare

Date: Dec 3, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

It seems like Vientiane will become a china province in a very foreseeable future
if the government keeps asking for china help. Why ? a chinese donation to laos
would likely have " a number of move in chinese population " included. what kind of policy is this ? any one cares to elaborate on this ?
(Ex : the new sport complex and the new Thaad Luang project )

Nonesense. There is a law which would control imigrant. Only stupid people would think like this person.

Date: Dec 3, 2007

Go back and read about those two projects again, smart ass.

Date: Dec 3, 2007

No, No more Chinese in Laos. I heard that they will be more than 3 thousands Chinese to settle in Vientiane's That Luang marsh if that area is developed into a big China town.

eta rap · Veteran Member

which Law can stop chinese not coming to live and take over the Land of our people.
They have money and soon they will have power then the next stop is our Lao country man and woman will become chinese slave.
Think , wake up, and look around you. What do you think of our country will become in the next 10 year?
Our Leader are right now greedy and selfish and blind.

China town is going to make our beautiful city polute with criminal, drug, illigal casino, prostitute and the way of living peaceful life our people will be disppear.

Eta rap vote against the development of the China town in That Luang weirdface

-- Edited by eta rap at 00:03, 2007-12-04

-- Edited by eta rap at 00:11, 2007-12-04

Date: Dec 4, 2007

I am surprised that some people think that they are really smart, but they themselve are slave of foreign countries.

Lao government always welcomes foreign investors, regardless of their nationalities. Now that Chinese business people will come, the Lao people holding foreign passports who always have bad intention to Lao people accuse our government will sell Laos. They just want to discredit our Lao image. Unfortunately, nobody believe them.

If they have a good memory enough or they are not stupid, they would have remembered what Vangpao or old regime did for Laos? The real answer is nothing, except bomb.

eta rap · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

I am surprised that some people think that they are really smart, but they themselve are slave of foreign countries.

Lao government always welcomes foreign investors, regardless of their nationalities. Now that Chinese business people will come, the Lao people holding foreign passports who always have bad intention to Lao people accuse our government will sell Laos. They just want to discredit our Lao image. Unfortunately, nobody believe them.

If they have a good memory enough or they are not stupid, they would have remembered what Vangpao or old regime did for Laos? The real answer is nothing, except bomb.

Eta rap never regard himself a smart person, in fact he is so dumb and stupid, he only completed primary school because he is from the poor family. His parent couln't support to send him getting further study.
If he made a silly comment here, please ignore the words he said.
By the way eta rap is not holding a foreigner passport, he was borned in Lao and raised in Lao. He is asolutely proudly Lao Citizen.
He has a gut to speak out. Eta rap is not a slave to any body. He love his country and willing to do the best thing for his country.
He raise his voice against the development of China Town in That Luang, can't he express his opinion? Go to Hell

-- Edited by eta rap at 03:55, 2007-12-04

Date: Dec 6, 2007

I hear you folks, The communist Lao government is incompetent to run Laos. I just read an article from RFA, and it's freightening me very much. It said that weathy chinese will live in the new developement area. The Chinese will have the land 100 years, ****ing 100 years and those thugs that make the decision will all be dead. The mess will be there forever. There need to be a revolution!!!!!

Date: Dec 6, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I hear you folks, The communist Lao government is incompetent to run Laos. I just read an article from RFA, and it's freightening me very much. It said that weathy chinese will live in the new developement area. The Chinese will have the land 100 years, ****ing 100 years and those thugs that make the decision will all be dead. The mess will be there forever. There need to be a revolution!!!!!

This person seems to be a real enemy of Laos. Now is 21 st century he still talks about revolution. He could be the legacy of old regime, who always needs war.

Date: Dec 6, 2007

The LPDR are always talking about nationalism. But really, their the ones who selling away Laos piece by piece. Leasing land next to the That Luang for 100 years to China. Did they even think about this or just flip a coin. I hope there be a big change soon(at this rate, rovolution don't sound so bad)

Date: Dec 6, 2007

Example of Suzhou style.

BANGKOK--The Lao government has agreed a major land concession to Chinese investors to develop a Suzhou-style "model city" in the outskirts of the country's capital, Vientiane.

Under the terms of the agreement, China will hold the site—several hundred hectares around the That Luang Buddhist monument—on a 100-year lease, with permission to develop the marshlands around the monument, a Lao government official told RFA's Lao service.

The official, who declined to be named, was concerned that the Lao government had signed over the land in lieu of the repayment of hundreds of millions of US dollars' worth of interest-free loans.

-free loans.

"In this area, China has a program to build a new city like Suzhou—which is renowned for tourism, with its many bridges and variety of trees and vegetation," the official said.

Luxury homes

"In addition, they will build a development of luxurious homes for wealthy Chinese, and in addition, thousands of Chinese families will move in and live in this land."

The official said he was unsure why the government had allowed potentially large numbers of Chinese people to come and live in the area, which lies to the northeast of the Lao capital, Vientiane.

He said he feared the establishment of a large "Chinese city" close to That Luang, which is a potent monument to Lao nationalism.

China's presence in Laos has intensified rapidly since it organised a financial bailout of the impoverished country in the wake of the Asian financial crisis.

Since 2000, Beijing has poured money into Lao infrastructure, including a "land bridge" through which Chinese goods can flow into Thailand.

Pha That Luang, which means "Great Stupa" in Lao, was built in the 16th century under King Setthathirat on the ruins of an earlier 13th century Khmer temple. This was built, according to tradition, on the remains of a third century Indian temple built by Buddhist missionaries.

Relics of the Buddha are said to be kept in the stupa, whose architecture includes many references to Lao culture and identity, and has become a symbol of Lao nationalism.

China has also expressed a strong desire to increase imports of natural resources from Laos, including timber, iron ore, copper, gold, and gemstones.

Crisis loans

In 1997, China helped bail out the Lao economy by increasing aid, trade, and investment through a series of bilateral agreements covering economic and technical cooperation, investment and banking, and infrastructure development.

Beijing also provided generous export subsidies and interest-free loans which enabled Laos to stabilize the value of its currency during a crisis in 1998-1999 to the tune of U.S.$1.7 billion, according to official Chinese media. The new relationship was cemented with the visit by then President Jiang Zemin to Laos in November 2000, the first by a Chinese head of state, and Beijing agreed to cancel much of the Lao debt in 2003.

Two-way trade between the two partners grew from U.S.$33.1 million in 1990 to U.S.$118.3 million in 2003, much of it in China's favor, according to figures compiled by the Asian Development Bank (ADB). China is officially Laos' third biggest trading partner, although far more trade is known to occur unofficial across their common border than is ever recorded by officials.

In 2004, the government controlled Vientiane Times said the cumulative total of Chinese investment in Laos since 1988 had reached U.S.$342 million, making China one of the top three foreign investors.

Experts say China and Vietnam are strategic competitors for influence in Laos.

RFA

Date: Dec 6, 2007

No.

Date: Dec 6, 2007

RFA is USA and old regime mouth piece. They groundless edited just for discrediting Lao image.

We know this quite well.

paris_vientiane · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

Example of Suzhou style.

BANGKOK--The Lao government has agreed a major land concession to Chinese investors to develop a Suzhou-style "model city" in the outskirts of the country's capital, Vientiane.
[...]
"In this area, China has a program to build a new city like Suzhou—which is renowned for tourism, with its many bridges and variety of trees and vegetation," the official said.

This is a very interesting point: Suzhou style look very good. If this is really the kind of Chinatown they plan to build, the result can be very beautifull and comfortable. Not bad at all. I was affraid they would just build big and ugly buildings

Anonymous wrote:
Under the terms of the agreement, China will hold the site—several hundred hectares around the That Luang Buddhist monument—on a 100-year lease, with permission to develop the marshlands around the monument, a Lao government official told RFA's Lao service.

The official, who declined to be named, was concerned that the Lao government had signed over the land in lieu of the repayment of hundreds of millions of US dollars' worth of interest-free loans.

Oh! Now i understand why Lao goverment accepted this project: it's not just a gift to China, or a simple development project, but this concession is used to pay back a debt of Laos toward China, in stead of money (that Laos don't have). In a way, it's sad and worrying, because this mean Laos have to accept to loose the control of it's land to pay it's debts.... This look like a lot the former colonisation.... but in this case, the colonisation comes from near neightbour... it's more dangerous but can also be more benefical. On the other side, this is just a concession. Of course, 100 years is a lot, it's very long, but this mean at the end, everything will belong back to Laos. If the project is successfull, it will be a strong benefit for Laos.... just have to wait.... a long time.

Anonymous wrote:
Luxury homes
"In addition, they will build a development of luxurious homes for wealthy Chinese, and in addition, thousands of Chinese families will move in and live in this land."

The official said he was unsure why the government had allowed potentially large numbers of Chinese people to come and live in the area, which lies to the northeast of the Lao capital, Vientiane.

This is a more annoying point... Get infrastructure form China, why not, be invaded by many many chinese people can be a real problem.
How those people will behave? Will they adopt and respect lao culture and way of life? Chineses are not known to integrate easily in foreign countries: they stay among chinese community, keep chinese way of live.... Who are those persons who will come to Laos? Educated and respectfull peope or just investors who will have only one idea: make as much money as possible by any way?
But on the other side, if they build luxury house, this mean that the people who will come will be rich people. Rich mean they will have a lot of money to invest and spend in Laos.... and this is good for lao people because this mean more job and business opportunities.

Anonymous wrote:
China has also expressed a strong desire to increase imports of natural resources from Laos, including timber, iron ore, copper, gold, and gemstones.

I hope Lao government will not let them do this. Laos natural ressources should be first for Lao people and their chilfdren. Laos should not sale it's ressources; but on the contrary preserve them. This is a very important point, and that will be more and more important as little by little, those ressources will become more rare in the world. Sell only renewable ressources or the one you can be sure you will NEVER need.

-- Edited by paris_vientiane at 13:28, 2007-12-06

Date: Dec 6, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

"China has also expressed a strong desire to increase imports of natural resources from Laos, including timber, iron ore, copper, gold, and gemstones".

In fact, so far in Laos there are only Australian companies who import the natural resources from Laos, such as copper, gold and gemstones.

However, China just has expressed a desire to business in this field, the stupid people have started concerning already.

Lao government always welcomes foreign investors to do business in Laos, regardless of their nationalities. Don't be stupid please!!!!

Date: Dec 6, 2007

Lao government only fear that foreign investors don't want to come.

Date: Dec 6, 2007

Had the USA, France, English and western countries done businesses in Laos, they would have shut their mouths.

Saffron · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
"China has also expressed a strong desire to increase imports of natural resources from Laos, including timber, iron ore, copper, gold, and gemstones".

In fact, so far in Laos there are only Australian companies who import the natural resources from Laos, such as copper, gold and gemstones.

However, China just has expressed a desire to business in this field, the stupid people have started concerning already.

Lao government always welcomes foreign investors to do business in Laos, regardless of their nationalities. Don't be stupid please!!!!

Yes!! Do matter what the policies or nationalities are. The only color LPRP see is the green color of $$$. NO DOUBT.

eta rap · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
"China has also expressed a strong desire to increase imports of natural resources from Laos, including timber, iron ore, copper, gold, and gemstones".

In fact, so far in Laos there are only Australian companies who import the natural resources from Laos, such as copper, gold and gemstones.

However, China just has expressed a desire to business in this field, the stupid people have started concerning already.

Lao government always welcomes foreign investors to do business in Laos, regardless of their nationalities. Don't be stupid please!!!!

This half brain guy always repeat the same words again and again. Just like a parrot repeat words his master teach him to say.

Date: Dec 7, 2007

when will Lao goverment allow to construct: Thai, Vietnamese, Russia...town??? hiiiii

paris_vientiane · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

Had the USA, France, English and western countries done businesses in Laos, they would have shut their mouths.

YOU should shut your mouth instead of write stupid things and look down to
other countries

USA: Pepsi (pepsi/mirinda/lays...)
English: Unilever (many many products sold in Laos)
Here are just a few examples

And last, we can talk about France.
France was in Laos for many years, building houses and offices, roads.... and one day, lao people ask french to go back home because they were fed up with the drawbacks of a too strong foreign influence (and they were right, i won't angry Laos for that... french behaviour and administration were far far from being perfect). But today, some lao people seems to see no problem to do again the same mistake: put the fate of their country into the hands of another one. But I never said China and Laos should not cooperate... i just said that Laos should be very carefull to keep this chinese influence into reasonable limits.

Second point about France: what France do NOW in laos? You really think France do nothing? What about NamTheug 2 (the main shareholder is french EDFi)? L'oreal products? What about all the development help offered by France every year to Laos (future train from ban thanaleng to Vientiane, lights and trafic lights in Vientiane City + direct help for poor people by various french NGOs)? Is this nothing? Do you have any idea about the amount of money and products that go every year from France to Laos (for development help and investments?

You should get informed about what foreign country do in Laos before say they don't do anything, look down to them and stupidly reject their experienced advices.

Could we have some more constructive comments about this very interesting and impressive project?

-- Edited by paris_vientiane at 13:05, 2007-12-07

Date: Dec 8, 2007

Anonymous wrote:
I would love to see something like what happened in Burma these past months. Massive protests to the point that if the government does anything against it they'll get a huge slap across the face by the international community.
Anonymous wrote:
China has also expressed a strong desire to increase imports of natural resources from Laos, including timber, iron ore, copper, gold, and gemstones. (RFA)

Think , wake up, and look around you. What do you think of our country will become in the next 10 year?
Our Leader are right now greedy and selfish and blind.

China town is going to make our beautiful city polute with criminal, drug, illigal casino, prostitute and the way of living peaceful life our people will be disppear.
Eta rap vote against the development of the China town in That Luang
-- Edited by eta rap at 00:03, 2007-12-04

paris_vientiane wrote:
YOU should shut your mouth instead of write stupid things and look down to other countries.

You should get informed about what foreign country do in Laos before say they don't do anything, look down to them and stupidly reject their experienced advices.

-- Edited by paris_vientiane at 13:05, 2007-12-07

I just realized that these people are in the same group. Their main aim is to decredit Lao image, Lao government. As stated earlier, they want to see like what has happened in Burma.

In my opinion, they would have to wait until their next life idea

paris_vientiane · Guru

Anonymous wrote:
I just realized that these people are in the same group. Their main aim is to decredit Lao image, Lao government.

Sorry, i don't understand. who are you talking about?

Date: Dec 8, 2007

Yes I do. I also want Chinese language to be taught in Laos: English is the second language, Chinese is the third language and French is optional (not important). Everything is made in China nowadays and China is a superpower economically, it is important to know their language as well.

I was contacted by a salesman to have all my parts made by China, I turned him down. How would I help my employees and help America if I did that. Yes, I would have made more money because I would have paid them less hourly and I would have paid them no health insurance. My point of this conversation is to keep the money circulated in your own country if you want to help your country. Same to say for having China Town in Vientiane, you buy Chinese products in Laos, the money stays in Laos, you help Laos grow economically and financially.

Date: Dec 8, 2007

NO, NO, NO, I don't want Vientiane to be or to look like Chinese town. Period.

Date: Dec 8, 2007

There are China towns all over the world that I can not count why not add one more to Laos, that would be kool.

Date: Dec 8, 2007

There are China towns all over the world that I can not count why not add one more to Laos, that would be kool.

eta rap · Veteran Member

paris_vientiane wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I just realized that these people are in the same group. Their main aim is to decredit Lao image, Lao government.
Sorry, i don't understand. who are you talking about?

Same group? please specify the name of the group? What is Lao image?
Please explain idea

eta rap · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
I would love to see something like what happened in Burma these past months. Massive protests to the point that if the government does anything against it they'll get a huge slap across the face by the international community.
Anonymous wrote:
China has also expressed a strong desire to increase imports of natural resources from Laos, including timber, iron ore, copper, gold, and gemstones. (RFA)

Think , wake up, and look around you. What do you think of our country will become in the next 10 year?
Our Leader are right now greedy and selfish and blind.

China town is going to make our beautiful city polute with criminal, drug, illigal casino, prostitute and the way of living peaceful life our people will be disppear.
Eta rap vote against the development of the China town in That Luang
-- Edited by eta rap at 00:03, 2007-12-04

paris_vientiane wrote:
YOU should shut your mouth instead of write stupid things and look down to other countries.

You should get informed about what foreign country do in Laos before say they don't do anything, look down to them and stupidly reject their experienced advices.

-- Edited by paris_vientiane at 13:05, 2007-12-07
I just realized that these people are in the same group. Their main aim is to decredit Lao image, Lao government. As stated earlier, they want to see like what has happened in Burma.

In my opinion, they would have to wait until their next life

Hey , man, i think you are the one have to shut up. Did you read by comment and understand what i said in there?
Poor boy, i give you my advice you should go back read again.

paris_vientiane · Guru

wow... maybe we should stop this discussion....
i see 2 points:
- many people there are not native english speaking people (including me).... their english is not perfect so sometime they don't understand exactly what some other says and can't express precisely what they think
- too many people there participate as "anomynous". it's sometime difficult to understand who wrote something, or who someone reply.... please register yourself to participate, so you can be clearly identified in discussions with your login name, and please avoid multiple quote (quote into quote into quote....) because we don't know to who you are talking (eta-arp, for who were your last message, for me?)

eta-rap, i never asked you to shut your mouth... this message was for "anonymous" because he asked farang to shutup, and then this "anonymous" quoted you and me in the same message... giving the feeling that my message reply to yours. I'm affraid we missunderstood.

-- Edited by paris_vientiane at 09:52, 2007-12-09

eta rap · Veteran Member

paris_vientiane wrote:

wow... maybe we should stop this discussion....
i see 2 points:
- many people there are not native english speaking people (including me).... their english is not perfect so sometime they don't understand exactly what some other says and can't express precisely what they think
- too many people there participate as "anomynous". it's sometime difficult to understand who wrote something, or who someone reply.... please register yourself to participate, so you can be clearly identified in discussions with your login name, and please avoid multiple quote (quote into quote into quote....) because we don't know to who you are talking (eta-arp, for who were your last message, for me?)

eta-rap, i never asked you to shut your mouth... this message was for "anonymous" because he asked farang to shutup, and then this "anonymous" quoted you and me in the same message... giving the feeling that my message reply to yours. I'm affraid we missunderstood.

-- Edited by paris_vientiane at 09:52, 2007-12-0

my brother Paris_vientiane, you did not say anything to me but there were someone who did not show his or her name here wrote something that annoyed me.
I do agree with you that if they want to give his or her opinion firstly it would be better to register their s/n name.
by the way my bro paris _vientiane don't forget to write letter to mr santa clause asking him to deliver the present i asked him 23 year ago for me, please

Date: Dec 10, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I am surprised that some people think that they are really smart, but they themselve are slave of foreign countries.

Lao government always welcomes foreign investors, regardless of their nationalities. Now that Chinese business people will come, the Lao people holding foreign passports who always have bad intention to Lao people accuse our government will sell Laos. They just want to discredit our Lao image. Unfortunately, nobody believe them.

If they have a good memory enough or they are not stupid, they would have remembered what Vangpao or old regime did for Laos? The real answer is nothing, except bomb.

Yes, You are a slave of the foreign country, too. Don't you realize it.

Saffron · Senior Member

eta rap,

I am not sure it is the language barrier. Maybe that have some effect but I think it is really come down to a person way of thinking.

Trying to explain logic to a crazy person can make you become crazy as well. Repeating ourselves so many time or talking in circle we began to lose the meaning of the discussion. It is better to voice our opinion and move on to next topic.

Date: Dec 11, 2007

Saffron wrote:
Trying to explain logic to a crazy person can make you become crazy as well.

I am afraid that was otherwise, don't you think?

Date: Dec 11, 2007

Look like there is nothing the government will do now to stop or slow down China influence in either economy or political in LPDR.

Next the LPDR will have to choose between China or Vietnam to be a close ally to Laos.

Date: Dec 11, 2007

I don't think that someone will tell me to shut up my mouth. I think here there is enough democracy allowing us to express our own opinions. The only matter is whether other people will consider that opinions as good or bad. That, I think, we cannot forge other people to follow.

It doesn't mean that I have to accept your opinion automatically. In Laos we have no such a practice. I also have my own opinion, why don't you listen my opinion too. It does not mean also that if I did not agree with you, I should be the crazy person. Believe me in Laos it's not like that, although we have less democracy.

It doesn't mean also if people praise the move taken by Lao government, they should be crazy or bad people.

Your guys why should you be so confident that your opinions are really experienced advices? Other people, I suppose, should have their own opinions. And also, it is not fair for Lao government authorities, when you try to blame them from one side, but they have no any opportunities to explain to you what they are thinking about topics.

Be sure, they are not blined people and not stupid either, as far as I can tell.
Actually, I am not a expert that is why I don't think that my opinion would be perfect, to some extent.

To me as ordinary person, Lao business people and foreign businessmen are the same in the sense no one of these people, be it Lao, be it American, be it French, be it Chinese, be it Vietnamese would give money to poor people for free. That means they all will give the same opportunities to Lao poor people.

Yes, it is true, I would prefer more Lao businessmen to do businesss in Laos to help our government to develop Laos. Unfortunately, there is a small number of Lao businessmen in Laos.

That is why Lao government therefore welcomes foreign investors to business in Laos to development our economy as someone mentioned earlier, I repeat again. Now Chinese business people are coming to Laos, I think it would be nothing wrong. Indeed, I praise the move which would definitely create more opportunities to improve life condition of Lao people who live Laos, but not Lao-foreigners, of course. No doubt, all investors, Chinese with no exception, would have to follow Lao law.

I remember the event happened about 4 years ago when Lao people in USA opposed a Normal Trade Agreement between Lao and USA. At that time I was surprised why Lao people living in USA acted like that instead of asking US government to sign to agreement. That always makes me think that these people would never have a good intention to Laos. I doubt, they would always like Lao people become poor and poorer. They don't want Lao people to have a good opportunity to get out from the poor condition. So that Lao people would act like in Burma. This is what I always keep in my mind.

Oh Good! Why people, would you think like that? We Lao people are also human being, don't know think?

Regards,
...........

paris_vientiane · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

I don't think that someone will tell me to shut up my mouth. I think here there is enough democracy allowing us to express our own opinions. [...]
Regards,

Are you the one who wrote the former messages as "anonymous"?
If yes, i told you to shut up, just because YOU said first about USA, France... " they would have shut their mouths."... and justify this by arguing that those countries never did anything in Laos "Had the USA, France, English and western countries done businesses in Laos,"

1) I demonstrated that this is just wrong. It's not opinion, it's facts.
2) As you said, we are here to exchange and talk each other... so why the (false) fact that a country didn't do something should force people from this country to shut up and don't share their opinion?

Last, if you are the one who participate a lot of this board signing usualy "Regards", i sincerely encourage you to register... so we could clearly identify you when exchan,ge with you.... in stead of having your comments melted into many other "anomymous". It's always easier to understand each other when we know who we are speaking with.

Last, many people there seems to consider that if someone criticise something from Laos, or government decision, this just mean he/she is an enemy of Laos, look down to lao people, etc... I think they are totaly wrong. Maybe some people want laos to stay poor and don't move, but most of people there just want Laos to find the best way for it's future. Many ways are possible, so it's natural that 'thinking people" can express some doubts about the way that the country take, as each possible way have goods and bads.
Criticism is something absolutly necessary to progress... Criticism is not enough, because after criticism, real proposal and acts are necessary to improve things, and criticism is the easiest step... but it's necessary. If no criticism, there is no knowledge of problems, so of course there is no solution.

Saffron · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

I don't think that someone will tell me to shut up my mouth. I think here there is enough democracy allowing us to express our own opinions. The only matter is whether other people will consider that opinions as good or bad. That, I think, we cannot forge other people to follow.
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.Oh Good! Why people, would you think like that? We Lao people are also human being, don't know think?

Regards,
...........

Here is another thing. Please take time to register. I can't reply to you directly unless I quote you. Why don't you just make up a name or even use a number so we can address you. 90% of the people in this forum don't bother to register. How do we know who we are talking to.

The reason for me to say it is like speaking logic to a crazy person because......every time there is opposite opinion, ideas, and comments, regarding LPRP foreign and economic policies, or reform, you people who support LPRP 100% always think there is a conspiracy that we Lao expatriates or Vang Pao is taking or trying to take over Laos PDR. That is your only answer when you have nothing else to reply back with. That is just crazy talk.

I don't think there will be a civil war in Laos. No expatriates going there to create war to change the government. I don't even support a war there. I don't know anyone that does. All of my friends does not want expatriates to start a war. It is the opposite. They want to go home and start some small business the only problem preventing them is the people there. They are afraid of the Laos government officials ripping them off. I am not saying Laos government but rather the individual official who make up their own law and rules.

Yes everyone have opinion. Voice your opinion. Tell us why it is bad and why it is good. Don't just say we are trying to destroy you. If that is all you going to say than there is no debate there. That is not even worth debating.

When I say it is bad idea to build a dam because it will displace people, destroy land, wildlife and fisheries. Don't just tell me I am trying keep people of Laos PDR poor and never have chance to be rich. Tell us the good benefit of building of the damn and tell us the adavantage and disadvantage of building the dam.

So when we are against your ideas and voice our opinion do not bring up we are trying to destroy your government or prevent people from getting rich or prevent Laos PDR from becoming 1st class country. We can't have a serious debate and discussion if you people keep thinking this way.

(I edited to make correction to my horrible spelling and grammar)

-- Edited by Saffron at 18:02, 2007-12-11

Date: Dec 11, 2007

Saffron and Paris,

I preffer to remain anonymous for safety, me and my family, never too carefull right? Before when I post, people say bad because of my background.

FYI I haven't contributed much to this thread.

For now I am anon #1

Carry on,

anon #1

Saffron · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Saffron and Paris,

I preffer to remain anonymous for safety, me and my family, never too carefull right? Before when I post, people say bad because of my background.

FYI I haven't contributed much to this thread.

For now I am anon #1

Carry on,

anon #1

anon #1,

If you are afraid you should not post anything at all. They can still track you where you are by IP address. Every post have IP address marked on it and they can track you from your ISP to your personal computer either at home or at work.

Date: Dec 11, 2007

Hi! again,
I was born in Laos, raised as lao citizens, and loved my country. I've heard that the Lao Government will allow the chinese investers to come to invest in Laos. This wasn't an unsual news at all. I'd 100% support to encourage many foreign investers to come to invest in Laos to help boost the Lao economy and create job to many desperate lao citizens. But, to allow the chinese investers to develop the china town near the most sacred and beatiful stupa of the country is very unusual. There are plenty of land around the city of vientiane that the government can subsidize for those investers to build, develop, or make it to become the second Beijing of China. This is just my thought as I am one the many loving lao people and still waiting to see lao will be prosper.

Saffron · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Hi! again,
I was born in Laos, raised as lao citizens, and loved my country. I've heard that the Lao Government will allow the chinese investers to come to invest in Laos. This wasn't an unsual news at all. I'd 100% support to encourage many foreign investers to come to invest in Laos to help boost the Lao economy and create job to many desperate lao citizens. But, to allow the chinese investers to develop the china town near the most sacred and beatiful stupa of the country is very unusual. There are plenty of land around the city of vientiane that the government can subsidize for those investers to build, develop, or make it to become the second Beijing of China. This is just my thought as I am one the many loving lao people and still waiting to see lao will be prosper.

Hi there Anonymous,

I totally in agreement with you. That Luang is sacred to Lao people and also a sort of simbol of Laos. When we see That Luang we automatically think of Laos. Why would anyone with enough pride, dignity, Love for their culture, heritage, and preservation of it would allow such a town to be build there regarless of how well it is design.

I wonder what other places the LPRP will sell next in the name of progress.

Date: Dec 12, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Hi! again,
I was born in Laos, raised as lao citizens, and loved my country. I've heard that the Lao Government will allow the chinese investers to come to invest in Laos. This wasn't an unsual news at all. I'd 100% support to encourage many foreign investers to come to invest in Laos to help boost the Lao economy and create job to many desperate lao citizens. But, to allow the chinese investers to develop the china town near the most sacred and beatiful stupa of the country is very unusual. There are plenty of land around the city of vientiane that the government can subsidize for those investers to build, develop, or make it to become the second Beijing of China. This is just my thought as I am one the many loving lao people and still waiting to see lao will be prosper.

For your information: The Pra That Luang and marsh That Luang, where they will develop, are far away from each other, say at least 1 km. It seems to me your fear is not justified.

By the way, may I correct your English, hopefully you will not be mad. It's not investers, but investors. The way you wrote English, you seem now to stay in France.

No wonder you don't know Laos well.

Date: Dec 12, 2007

I don't understand why the would want to build a "Suzhou" style town inside a non-Chinese culture/ethnic country.

If they were to build something like replicas of Royal palaces of Vientiane or something that reflect Lao culture, it would be nice IMO.

I think the 3k Chinese ppl in Vientiane is not a huge problem. Face it people, its 2007, Globalization should be understood, especially in the Land-Linked Laos. I think the problem at hand that has been ignored is what exactly are they going to do there? What is exactly is a "suzhou style town" in Vientiane going to accomplish? I don't understand why they would build this and expect tourism when the tourists could simply go to the other "Suzhou style town" in China.

Date: Dec 12, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

I don't understand why the would want to build a "Suzhou" style town inside a non-Chinese culture/ethnic country.

If they were to build something like replicas of Royal palaces of Vientiane or something that reflect Lao culture, it would be nice IMO.

I think the 3k Chinese ppl in Vientiane is not a huge problem. Face it people, its 2007, Globalization should be understood, especially in the Land-Linked Laos. I think the problem at hand that has been ignored is what exactly are they going to do there? What is exactly is a "suzhou style town" in Vientiane going to accomplish? I don't understand why they would build this and expect tourism when the tourists could simply go to the other "Suzhou style town" in China.

Yes, I agree with you on keeping Lao style. I don't like either the other nation's style.

In fact, I have never found that the Suzhou style town would be developped in Lao media reported by either online or newspapers.

Date: Dec 13, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't understand why the would want to build a "Suzhou" style town inside a non-Chinese culture/ethnic country.

If they were to build something like replicas of Royal palaces of Vientiane or something that reflect Lao culture, it would be nice IMO.

I think the 3k Chinese ppl in Vientiane is not a huge problem. Face it people, its 2007, Globalization should be understood, especially in the Land-Linked Laos. I think the problem at hand that has been ignored is what exactly are they going to do there? What is exactly is a "suzhou style town" in Vientiane going to accomplish? I don't understand why they would build this and expect tourism when the tourists could simply go to the other "Suzhou style town" in China.

Yes, I agree with you on keeping Lao style. I don't like either the other nation's style.

In fact, I have never found that the Suzhou style town would be developped in Lao media reported by either online or newspapers.

I thought it was said in a post above.

BANGKOK--The Lao government has agreed a major land concession to Chinese investors to develop a Suzhou-style "model city" in the outskirts of the country's capital, Vientiane.

More information needs to come out with exactly WHAT they are going to build. If they are going to do what the South Koreans are doing in Cambodia, building "CamKo City" (google it) then I would definately approve of that.

Date: Dec 13, 2007

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I don't understand why the would want to build a "Suzhou" style town inside a non-Chinese culture/ethnic country.

If they were to build something like replicas of Royal palaces of Vientiane or something that reflect Lao culture, it would be nice IMO.

I think the 3k Chinese ppl in Vientiane is not a huge problem. Face it people, its 2007, Globalization should be understood, especially in the Land-Linked Laos. I think the problem at hand that has been ignored is what exactly are they going to do there? What is exactly is a "suzhou style town" in Vientiane going to accomplish? I don't understand why they would build this and expect tourism when the tourists could simply go to the other "Suzhou style town" in China.

Yes, I agree with you on keeping Lao style. I don't like either the other nation's style.

In fact, I have never found that the Suzhou style town would be developped in Lao media reported by either online or newspapers.

I thought it was said in a post above.

BANGKOK--The Lao government has agreed a major land concession to Chinese investors to develop a Suzhou-style "model city" in the outskirts of the country's capital, Vientiane.

More information needs to come out with exactly WHAT they are going to build. If they are going to do what the South Koreans are doing in Cambodia, building "CamKo City" (google it) then I would definately approve of that.

That was edited by RFA, the mouth piece of US. This media has long supported the anti-Lao government group, including Vang Pao.

By the way, why don't you think before believing something? After all, you are educated person, I supposed. Critical thinking should be impossed.
People can write everything what they want do serve their goals or their purposes. Yes, it could be possibly true. But ass far as I can tell, I never heard that the RFA wrote something good about Laos. I don't think that Laos has had nothing good.

The thing that I know about Lao government and Lao people as well, they are really sensitive about their culture. As a result, you might know that only Laos can keep more its own culture in that region.

That's why I don't believe that Laos would be keen to import other nation's culture. That is my opinion.

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