Lifestyle change: Vientiane people like to play golf !

samakomlao · Guru

Lifestyle change: Vientiane people like to play golf !

paris_vientiane · Guru

Why not....
in France, Golf is considerned as a "luxury sports". mostly rich people play glof, and even if more and more people play golf, it's a very expensive activity

If in Laos you can play golf for 11000 kip, that's fair, and everyone can do!

I only worry about water consumption: during raining season, i guess it's ok, but during dry season, are you sure the golf course don't consume tremendous amount of precious water? and this just to provide fun to some people?

samakomlao · Guru

In the golf field, they also use a lot of pesticide and fertilizer to keep the grass always green. These pollutions then contaminate to the water pools and rivers that may harm many forms of living things.

paris_vientiane · Guru

and some people call this "development"?
if you're right, i would call this a "massacre"... but let's see first what is the real impact of golf courses in Laos... climate is very different from western countries, so maybe the impact can be different

Date: Mar 31, 2008

paris_vientiane wrote:
They have plenty of water from Nam Ngum Dam and Tha Ngone river.
Why not....
in France, Golf is considerned as a "luxury sports". mostly rich people play glof, and even if more and more people play golf, it's a very expensive activity

If in Laos you can play golf for 11000 kip, that's fair, and everyone can do!

I only worry about water consumption: during raining season, i guess it's ok, but during dry season, are you sure the golf course don't consume tremendous amount of precious water? and this just to provide fun to some people?

Lan_Xang · Guru

According to a member name Laopeoplearmy, we can not complaint, comment, or criticize anything regarding Laos unless we are citizen of Laos.

We are welcome to cheer on but never say anything that shed negative light on it according to this person.

laopeoplesarmy · Senior Member

Lan_Xang wrote:

According to a member name Laopeoplearmy, we can not complaint, comment, or criticize anything regarding Laos unless we are citizen of Laos.

We are welcome to cheer on but never say anything that shed negative light on it according to this person.

There are proper channel, proper way and proper time to do things. When at work, your employer would expected you to speak to them in a different manner then they would at a bar during off hour.

First of all you are now a Foreigner and have no right to stick your nose into our business. Learn to accept it. It's the reality. We do appreciate your concerns but please do it contructively and properly according to international protocol.

Lao People's Army

Zak · Senior Member

laopeoplesarmy wrote:

Lan_Xang wrote:

According to a member name Laopeoplearmy, we can not complaint, comment, or criticize anything regarding Laos unless we are citizen of Laos.

We are welcome to cheer on but never say anything that shed negative light on it according to this person.

There are proper channel, proper way and proper time to do things. When at work, your employer would expected you to speak to them in a different manner then they would at a bar during off hour.

First of all you are now a Foreigner and have no right to stick your nose into our business. Learn to accept it. It's the reality. We do appreciate your concerns but please do it contructively and properly according to international protocol.

Lao People's Army

I think such hatred for negative criticism would stem from episodes of not being able to full-fill certain tasks or things in your life. I believe my friend you refuse to listen to negative criticism because you feel you are superior.

What are these international protocol you're talking about? If the Lao people followed such things, there wouldn't have been a war, or narrow minded freaks like you.

I whole heartedly doubt you reside in the Lao PDR, you're one to talk about "foreigners". If you do reside there, by god man do something else than browse a message board at 7am in the morning.

laopeoplesarmy · Senior Member

Zak wrote:

I think such hatred for negative criticism would stem from episodes of not being able to full-fill certain tasks or things in your life. I believe my friend you refuse to listen to negative criticism because you feel you are superior.

Zak, there are differences between contructive criticism and whining. My life long dreams and wishes cannot be fullfill in just one life time. I do not feel that I'm superior then other people but I do possessed more common sense and logic then some people in here judging by their post.

Zak wrote:

What are these international protocol you're talking about? If the Lao people followed such things, there wouldn't have been a war, or narrow minded freaks like you.

Don't tell me, you don't know the international protocol. Lao people are no differences from any human being in this planet. There are good and bad in all of us.
Sorry don't mean to spoil your LPDR bashing party. Don't get frustrated because you'll get response from the other side. It will be naive of you to not expected it.

Zak wrote:

I whole heartedly doubt you reside in the Lao PDR, you're one to talk about "foreigners". If you do reside there, by god man do something else than browse a message board at 7am in the morning.

The numbers of the sons and daughters of the Lao PDR studying abroad are increasing everyday.

Lao People's Army

Zak · Senior Member

Are not my criticism constructive enough? I don't bash the party, I criticize it. And because its the only party there, thats where my criticism is directed too. Sure you have the right to defend them, but its going to be hard when all the negativity is going towards them. Good luck Lao PRP.

I'm glad the number of sons and daughters of the Lao PDR studying abroad is increasing daily. Its a good sign. Where would you be located then, Japan?

You're a smart person, its too bad we cannot agree enough.

But bickering and arguments amongst people only show that there is a commonality somewhere, just different ways of getting there.

Date: Apr 1, 2008

laopeoplesarmy wrote:

First of all you are now a Foreigner and have no right to stick your nose into our business. Learn to accept it. It's the reality. We do appreciate your concerns but please do it contructively and properly according to international protocol.

Lao People's Army

International protocol?????? Areyou out of your mind!!
It is a discussion forum on the internet and we are not in the floor of United Nations debating like politicians. Unless you are a politician making ill attemtp to prevent us from our freedom to discuss, debate, and criticize.

laopeoplesarmy · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

International protocol?????? Areyou out of your mind!!
It is a discussion forum on the internet and we are not in the floor of United Nations debating like politicians. Unless you are a politician making ill attemtp to prevent us from our freedom to discuss, debate, and criticize.

I was merely making a suggestion to someone that are serious about improving situation in Laos. If you insist in whining in here to vent out your frustration of a meaningless life in the West then please say so.

How can it be a debate if the other party is not here to defend themselve? The other party is the Lao Government. If you want to debate with the Lao Government then you must go through the proper channel and adhere to the international protocol. Am I right? It take two opposing side to debate? If someone debate with themselve out loud, we called that "pee bah." Agree?

Lao People's Army

laopeoplesarmy · Senior Member

Zak wrote:

Are not my criticism constructive enough? I don't bash the party, I criticize it. And because its the only party there, thats where my criticism is directed too. Sure you have the right to defend them, but its going to be hard when all the negativity is going towards them. Good luck Lao PRP.

I'm glad the number of sons and daughters of the Lao PDR studying abroad is increasing daily. Its a good sign. Where would you be located then, Japan?

You're a smart person, its too bad we cannot agree enough.

But bickering and arguments amongst people only show that there is a commonality somewhere, just different ways of getting there.

Zak, personally I find that you are sincered about improving situation in Laos. It is the way you approach thing that is troubling me the most. For example: If you are trying to court a girl/boy what is the first thing you don't want to do? Yeah, you don't offended them. The same logic applies with the Lao Government or any other govermnment in the world.

Date: Apr 1, 2008

laopeoplesarmy wrote:
Zak, personally I find that you are sincered about improving situation in Laos. It is the way you approach thing that is troubling me the most. For example: If you are trying to court a girl/boy what is the first thing you don't want to do? Yeah, you don't offended them. The same logic applies with the Lao Government or any other govermnment in the world.

But I think about him otherwise. He is not someone who would like to improve or help Laos, at all. I doubt that he is sincere about improving sitituation. The way he criticized Lao government reflected that he just want to decredit Lao government reputation. He only want the old regime come back.

Actually, I am not surprised much because his granfther served old regime in Laos before 1975.

SeeHarHed · Guru

i thought the topic is about lao people playing golf.. but yet most of you guys are talking about something else..

it is good to see that more and more lao people playing golf.. maybe someday lao will produce a world ranking player like thailand.. korea.. and japan.. i know it is still along way to come but we got to start somewhere.. right??

anyone knows the status of the new golf course?? how's the contruction of the course coming along??? are they going to be ready for ASEAN 09 game??

Zak · Senior Member

laopeoplesarmy wrote:

Zak wrote:

Are not my criticism constructive enough? I don't bash the party, I criticize it. And because its the only party there, thats where my criticism is directed too. Sure you have the right to defend them, but its going to be hard when all the negativity is going towards them. Good luck Lao PRP.

I'm glad the number of sons and daughters of the Lao PDR studying abroad is increasing daily. Its a good sign. Where would you be located then, Japan?

You're a smart person, its too bad we cannot agree enough.

But bickering and arguments amongst people only show that there is a commonality somewhere, just different ways of getting there.

Zak, personally I find that you are sincered about improving situation in Laos. It is the way you approach thing that is troubling me the most. For example: If you are trying to court a girl/boy what is the first thing you don't want to do? Yeah, you don't offended them. The same logic applies with the Lao Government or any other govermnment in the world.

Thank you for the words. I'll work on it.

My grandfather was a police officer. When the new regime came, they put him into a "re-education" camp for nine months. Did I also mention he had 8 kids and a wife at the time? Ways of dealing with old officials of the old regime weren't straight forward, so he left. Its reasonable. Why would it matter for who my grandparents worked for? I don't bread the hatred felt by them.

Back to golf though.

11,000 kip is hefty in my opinion. But its sort of smart to offer discounts and stuff on weekends (50% off, thats a lot!) to lure in more people.

Also, paris vientiane brought up rainy/dry season. Isn't dry season almost unbearable to be out there playing? and isn't rainy season the same? I don't play golf, so I don't know.

Lan_Xang · Guru

Golf is a "rich" person sport. I use to go hit a few during lunch. Back then it cost about $10 with 50 balls and a driver. But really expensive is the cost to play the game. You can get a group of friends for a weekend to play but still cost you $30-40 per person per game.

SeeHarHed · Guru

Lan_Xang wrote:

Golf is a "rich" person sport. I use to go hit a few during lunch. Back then it cost about $10 with 50 balls and a driver. But really expensive is the cost to play the game. You can get a group of friends for a weekend to play but still cost you $30-40 per person per game.

well.. as the american refer it to... white collar sport or upper class recreation.. at least it used to be... now.. more and more people are playing due to the tiger woods factor. he made golf a cool sport!!

you're right!! golf isnt cheap.. i dont think you can golf anywhere for $30-40 on the weekend anymore.. at least where i'm at in California.. unless, you live somewhere in the south or midwest.. a round of golf here would cost you average about $45-55 with cart.. and we are talking about regular muni course..

Date: Apr 2, 2008

SeeHarHed wrote:

i thought the topic is about lao people playing golf.. but yet most of you guys are talking about something else..

it is good to see that more and more lao people playing golf.. maybe someday lao will produce a world ranking player like thailand.. korea.. and japan.. i know it is still along way to come but we got to start somewhere.. right??

anyone knows the status of the new golf course?? how's the contruction of the course coming along??? are they going to be ready for ASEAN 09 game??

Sabaidee Seeharhed.

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