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dohThis article  was dated back in April 2008 and I must say it is interesting. Please take it as a grain of salt since we don’t know for sure if this is true. I just want to share with our Laotian people here and please feel free to express your opinion about this hypothetical influx of Chinese into our MotherLand.  As many of you may already knew the oversea Chinese in Southeast Asia is getting close to 40 millions just in Thailand alone the number is over 7 millions and they control 44% of Thai economy.  In Vietnam, they control about 22%, 11% in Philippines and 55% in Malaysian economy.  Chinese also control about 22% of Indonesian economy.  I hope Laotian governernment makes a wise dicision before rushing to striking a deal out of desperation.

Laos Fears China's Footprint

Sunday, April 06, 2008

By DENIS D. GRAY, Associated Press Writer

VIENTIANE, Laos — 

A high-rise Chinatown that is to go up by Laos' laid-back capital has ignited fears that this nation's giant northern neighbor is moving to engulf this nation.

So alarmed are Laotians that the communist government, which rarely explains its actions to the population, is being forced to do just that, with what passes for an unprecedented public relations campaign.

The "Chinese City" is a hot topic of talk and wild rumor, much of it laced with anxiety as well as anger that the regime sealed such a momentous deal in virtual secrecy.

The rumblings are being heard even among some government officials, and foreign organizations operating in Laos are being told to refer to the venture as a "New City Development Project" rather than a "Chinese city."

Deputy Prime Minister Somsavat Lengsavad insists the deal poses no threat.

"This is not unusual. Almost every country in the world has a Chinatown, so why shouldn't Laos have one?" he told Laotian reporters.

According to an artist's impression in state-run media, it will have a Manhattan-like skyline. There is no word on how many Chinese will live there. The figure of 50,000 families is widely speculated but Somsavat denied any such number had been agreed upon.

The idea of 50,000 newcomers to a city of 460,000 is one factor causing unease. Another is location: The complex is to go up on the That Luang marsh, an area pregnant with nationalist symbolism and also ecologically important.

It comes at a time when China is rapidly becoming the No. 1 foreign economic and political power in Laos. As migrants, money and influence roll across the frontier, northern areas of the country are beginning to look like a Chinese province.

According to Somsavat, a Chinese company last fall was granted a renewable, 50-year lease to transform 4,000 acres of "rice fields into a modern city," thus stimulating the business and investment climate of one of the world's poorest nations.

Somsavat, an ethnic Chinese-Laotian with close ties to Beijing, explained that when Laos fell short of funds to build a stadium for the Southeast Asian Games it will host next year, it turned to the China Development Bank. The bank offered a Chinese company, Suzhou Industrial Park Overseas Investment Co., a loan to build the stadium in exchange for the lease.

The deal was signed last September, according to official media, with no known prior notice to the public. The company, contacted in Suzhou, declined to answer questions.

At a news conference, Vientiane Mayor Sinlavong Khoutphaythoune said three Chinese companies were involved in the project.

Even some aging revolutionaries are critical, saying they fought to keep out the United States and others during the Vietnam War and now are seeing their own government opening the floodgates to foreigners.

"The Lao people are not strong so they are afraid the Chinese will come in and expand their numbers and turn our country into China. We will lose our own culture," said Sithong Khamvong, a middle-class Vientiane resident and former Communist Party member.

There has been no official word on the conditions under which the Chinese might be allowed to settle in the new suburb. By unofficial estimate, some 300,000 Chinese live in Laos but true figures are impossible to obtain since many have acquired false documentation much as they have done in another of China's Southeast Asian neighbors, Myanmar. The north of that country is taking on a Chinese character.

Also irking many is the site of the planned city _ near both the Parliament and the golden-spired, 16th century That Luang monastery, the most important symbol of national sovereignty and a sacred Buddhist site.

The area is now a mix of marshes, rice fields and creeping urbanization despite substantial international aid to preserve it as a wetland.

A 2003 study by the Switzerland-based World Wide Fund for Nature said the marsh is the main runoff for flash floods, a "sewage tank" for a city with no central waste water system, and a source of edible fish and plants for the poor.

"My major concern is that the new city will have an impact on these three factors," says the study's author, Pauline Gerrard.

The mayor counters that the marsh is already polluted and that proper development will improve the environment. Some reports say the area is designed to attract upmarket buyers and will be modeled on the Chinese city of Suzhou, famed for its canals and greenery.

But longtime foreigners in Vientiane can't recall the middle class ever being so angry.

"Lao journalists would like to write about this but they cannot. There is no protest except in coffee shops _ in our 'coffee parliaments,'" Sithong said.

Martin Stuart-Fox, an Australian author of books on Laos, says the old generation knew how to balance China's influence and Vietnam's and avoid being crushed between its powerful neighbors.

But this generation has passed, he said in an interview from Australia, and now "it seems to me that the balance is being lost."

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.



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I am poor right now. I eat salt everyday for dinner. If Laos goverment allows 50,000 Chineses families to live in Laos country. I know for sure my future dinner will be dirt instead of sand. My chidrens' future definitely end up working as prostitute. We are no different from Filipino or Thai country. All the good positions  belong to Chinese people. Whatever you do Laos goverment, please think about our kids' future.   The whole world calls us the poorest country on earth. But I am very proud. I rather live the way it is or let the United States take over it. They don't have to spend  even a penny. Remember after Vietnam war, 4,000 Vietnamese people live in United Stated acquired doctor degrees in medicine field. Where can you find the goverment system  that works well as America?  Beside, American people are very generous. This message is for Chinese goverment not Chinese people.

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I am poor right now. I eat salt everyday for dinner. If Laos goverment allows 50,000 Chineses families to live in Laos country. I know for sure my future dinner will be dirt instead of sand. My chidrens' future definitely end up working as prostitute. We are no different from Filipino or Thai country. All the good positions  belong to Chinese people. Whatever you do Laos goverment, please think about our kids' future.   The whole world calls us the poorest country on earth. But I am very proud. I rather live the way it is or let the United States take over it. They don't have to spend  even a penny. Remember after Vietnam war, 4,000 Vietnamese people live in United Stated acquired doctor degrees in medicine field. Where can you find the goverment system  that works well as America?  Beside, American people are very generous. This message is for Chinese goverment not Chinese people.



You seem to be a stupid person, pretending that you are in Laos. In fact you are in oversea and what I want to say more is you are a dog that serves  western countries, you are a traitor.





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I am poor right now. I eat salt everyday for dinner. ......... 

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You seem to be a stupid person, pretending that you are in Laos. In fact you are in oversea and what I want to say more is you are a dog that serves  western countries, you are a traitor.


I absolutely agree with you. Some really like to discredit Lao people with no ground.  



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I am poor right now. I eat salt everyday for dinner. If Laos goverment allows 50,000 Chineses families to live in Laos country. I know for sure my future dinner will be dirt instead of sand. My chidrens' future definitely end up working as prostitute. We are no different from Filipino or Thai country. All the good positions  belong to Chinese people. Whatever you do Laos goverment, please think about our kids' future.   The whole world calls us the poorest country on earth. But I am very proud. I rather live the way it is or let the United States take over it. They don't have to spend  even a penny. Remember after Vietnam war, 4,000 Vietnamese people live in United Stated acquired doctor degrees in medicine field. Where can you find the goverment system  that works well as America?  Beside, American people are very generous. This message is for Chinese goverment not Chinese people.



I am sure Laotian government will strike for the best deal, but keep in mind when you negotiate from a weak position, most of the time you would be forced to compromise.  I understand the tremendous amount of desires Lao people want to have the Asian game host for the first time in their country, but economically Laos is not capable.  We have to swallow our pride and beg for the outside assistance; however, this event will for sure boost the local economy assuming that everything goes as planned. Once we have the infrastructures in place, it’s easier to upgrade them but for now, everything has to be built from scratch.  The lack of architectures, designers, advanced engineering teams and funding are the biggest challenge for Laos.  It is pretty sad and heartbreaking to cede more lands to the Chinese in exchange for their expertise and economical bursary, but this is the reality of Laos. I was born there, but I left at the age of 13, so Laos is considered my birthplace.  I wouldn’t call Laos is the poorest country in the world, but it’s one of them.  When you have people of an IQ75s in power, it affects the country’s progress and advancement.  The minimum IQ95s is required to successfully lead a nation. This is scientifically proven fact.  In America, Europe, they have the advantage of other country’s brain drain due to high salaries, stability and the prospect for prosperity becomes everyone’s dream, so people with high IQ come over here working in various fields.  Are you sure you have not been poor since birth? It’s just unbelievable that you still eat salt for dinner in the 21st century.  Don’t be too pessimistic about this hypothetical influx of 50,000 Chinese.  You might get to eat eggrolls instead of having salt or dirt for supper.dohdohdoh
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Anonymous wrote:

I am poor right now. I eat salt everyday for dinner. If Laos goverment allows 50,000 Chineses families to live in Laos country. I know for sure my future dinner will be dirt instead of sand. My chidrens' future definitely end up working as prostitute. We are no different from Filipino or Thai country. All the good positions  belong to Chinese people. Whatever you do Laos goverment, please think about our kids' future.   The whole world calls us the poorest country on earth. But I am very proud. I rather live the way it is or let the United States take over it. They don't have to spend  even a penny. Remember after Vietnam war, 4,000 Vietnamese people live in United Stated acquired doctor degrees in medicine field. Where can you find the goverment system  that works well as America?  Beside, American people are very generous. This message is for Chinese goverment not Chinese people.



Wow!!! Even poor Lao person knows English very well and can use Internet, not to mention he still can afford to pay for Internet use. It's not normal, really.
In addition, he still knows well the situation in USA and writes English so perfectly. Who would believe him, I wonder?

I am sure that all these stories are made up to descredit Lao government. He descibes the situation in Laos seemed not much different with what happened in Laos 30 years ago. Now the case is a past for Lao people already. After Laos opens up to the world, lots opportunities Lao people can gain.

Lao people are not that poor, unless he is a beggar, who doesn't want to work or who wants to wait that one day someone (USA) will give him money. 

I wouldn't think that I am so clever knowing better than Lao government does, If I were this poor person. 
 


-- Edited by TSP at 12:00, 2008-08-15

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TSP wrote:

Wow!!! Even poor Lao person knows English very well and can use Internet, not to mention he still can afford to pay for Internet use. It's not normal, really.
In addition, he still knows well the situation in USA and writes English so perfectly. Who would believe him, I wonder?

I am sure that all these stories are made up to descredit Lao government. He descibes the situation in Laos seemed not much different with what happened in Laos 30 years ago. Now the case is a past for Lao people already. After Laos opens up to the world, lots opportunities Lao people can gain.

Lao people are not that poor, unless he is a beggar, who doesn't want to work or who wants to wait that one day someone (USA) will give him money. 

I wouldn't think that I am so clever knowing better than Lao government does, If I were this poor person. 
 


-- Edited by TSP at 12:00, 2008-08-15

I Just want to let you know that his English is not anywhere near perfect. This is a basic communication and he made quite a few grammatical errors. If he is a troll then just let him keeps trolling. Soon, he will make a fool of himself.



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I Just want to let you know that his English is not anywhere near perfect. This is a basic communication and he made quite a few grammatical errors. If he is a troll then just let him keeps trolling. Soon, he will make a fool of himself.



Oops! I forgot to identify myself again as BruceLaoMan.



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BruceLaoMan wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I Just want to let you know that his English is not anywhere near perfect. This is a basic communication and he made quite a few grammatical errors. If he is a troll then just let him keeps trolling. Soon, he will make a fool of himself.



Oops! I forgot to identify myself again as BruceLaoMan.




Bruce, why dont you just sign up? yarn webmaster knows your email??



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SeeHarHed wrote:

Bruce, why dont you just sign up? yarn webmaster knows your email??



I signed up the first day I came across this site, but for some reason I never got an email back from the mod to activate my account. I will register again with a different new username like: BruceLao.



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I dont think some people here just to post the positive comment, but just try to win the controversy.
I am laughing out loud here....

I got lost on the topic here, I think chinese is good to develop laos country I cheer them up! Dont get hard feel yall!

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I dont think some people here just to post the positive comment, but just try to win the controversy.
I am laughing out loud here....

I got lost on the topic here, I think chinese is good to develop laos country I cheer them up! Dont get hard feel yall



I don’t think we have much choice if we want to extricate our people from poverty.  China is often negatively viewed by the West as a threat to world peace, but historically, they never invaded our land, and I don’t think we never had any territorial dispute with them in the past. As the People’s Republic of China is marching a step closer to the status of Superpower, she would be the right candidate to assist Laos from national economic policy to decision making as well as managing domestic affairs. Undeniably, there is a lot to learn and I am sure Laos is learning it. Laos needs to think big and aim high. A little sacrifice is worth in a long run.  The tentative agreement to allow a substantial migration of Chinese to our land is worry some, but it can be countered by revising our own judiciary requiring all foreigners who with the intent to permanently live in Laos must use Laotian names to ensure lasting peace and harmony as well as to avoid prejudice, discrimination, relegation and subjugation by one or another. They will be treated as Laotian citizens and fully protected under Laotian law. They will gradually absorb into the society and eventually lead to a complete assimilation. Under no circumstances, we should force them to abandon their cultural heritage, religion or tradition and it should automatically be their prerogative and not privilege.

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being a rich man dog better than being a poor man dog. a poor man dog all you get to eat it shiit. call us a western dog laos the whole country it doing the same thing you have marx and lanin pic and stute in government building. russia them self don't even like it. who stupid now. poor losser. I hope chinese take over Laos and rappe the whole country.



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I would Rather just myself and I dont anything wrong with it when there Chinese or Vietnamese to come and inveest in laos, therefore, they even help out the laos people to have more job.
Dont tell me that American company wont make you work. The even slave you more then chinese use you on the job.

I am rest my case now, I hate talking about politcal issue.
DOnt argue too much my friends, if they going to do it they will do it the laos goverment. this is only the internet nothing will help to change their goal of what they want to do...................bye bye!

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Rape the whole country.  Watch out for HIV and Hepatis c. It is more dangerous than  a nuclear weapon. Rubber can leak.

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