Hmong people grow rice in U.S?

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

Hmong people grow rice in U.S?

Date: Sep 21, 2008

Do they still consider themselves Lao-Hmong or just Hmong from Laos? Hve they done anything good for Laos or for the U.S.? Do they grow sticky rice for sell or for their own consumption?

SJCALSBM3 · Senior Member

the thing about US Hmong when they do bad stuff they're saying they're laotian but when they do good deeds they're saying they are Hmong!

khonthakek · Guru

Sticky Rice?

i do believe that Hmong people are hardworking.[spoiler]

Date: Sep 22, 2008

Any good news it would refer to them as Hmong but when something negative it would refer to them as LAO person of ethinic Hmong.

Personally I prefer us to call them Hmong because that is who they are.
They are not part of the Tai people.

Date: Sep 22, 2008

if they are Hmong. where is they country ?

Date: Sep 22, 2008

Buk Bruce Katheuy again, a desperate individual who had nothing better to do.
Go suck yourself man !
We don't need you here !

Date: Sep 22, 2008

To Manager of Samakom Lao, please delete this topic I don't like to read and also the comment of BruceLao.

Date: Sep 22, 2008

from this forum...i'm getting the impression that the ethnic Tai among the Laotians can be extremely racist. seems like quite a few who have posted on this forum think that they are the 'original' people of Laos...& have forgotten that their own ancestors migrated from China into the land of the Khmu & other ethnic groups that were living there long before the Tai Lao arrived...

quite amusing when they come across something about Tai Lue culture in China & accuse them of copying...when what they are looking at are their own roots.

where all this prejudice will lead to, i don't know. won't be fun to have genocide & ethnic cleansing in Laos...

Any good news it would refer to them as Hmong but when something negative it would refer to them as LAO person of ethinic Hmong.

seems to me that Lao people are equally capable of doing the reverse - attributing good stuff to Lao people, & blaming negative stuff on Hmong, Thai, Vietnamese, Khmer, etc... ;)

btw there are many Hmong in northern Vietnam, in China, & also in Thailand (not just those in refugee camps, but who migrated there from China generations ago).

Date: Sep 22, 2008

The Hmong or Meo tribe gradually migrated southerly from north China toward Hainan Island, Vietnam, Laos, Thailand and Burma. They eventually rmigrate to Thailand and the western countries, mainly to the United States and some
have migrated back to Laos for their comfort living condition in Laos and also Thailand. They don't like to associate or mingle with the local Lao, Thai peoples.

Lan_Xang · Guru

Most of the comments just want to distinguish the Lao from the Hmong. I don't think that is being racist at all.

Date: Sep 22, 2008

It is the Hmong themselves that they prefer to live alone, to be separated from the native people. They don't want to associate with local people and they want to secede from the country of their resettlement. They want to live separately.

Date: Sep 22, 2008

over the past 2 years that i've been reading this forum...have seen plenty of posts that aren't too polite when referring to Hmong people e.g. a lot of 'buck/buk' & 'meo' (supposedly very insulting to them), telling them to get out of Laos, etc. & the stereotype of them growing opium (while ignoring the fact that some Tai Lao themselves are also consumers of opium). likewise when referring to Vietnamese people.

in real life, during my visits to Laos, also hear Tai Lao talking about Lao Soung in rather insulting ways. sometimes i don't dare mention to them that i have Lao Soung friends from various ethnic groups. interestingly, tolerance seems to increase as i travel further north...it's not so bad in Luang Prabang compared to Vientiane.

It is the Hmong themselves that they prefer to live alone, to be separated from the native people. They don't want to associate with local people and they want to secede from the country of their resettlement. They want to live separately.

What percentage of the Hmong? I wonder if it depends on how well they are treated & whether they get equal opportunities in society? Last time i looked at the statistics for students enrolled in NUOL, Lao Soung were still relatively poorly represented (as compared to their percentage of Laos population). Not heard of Hmong in China or Vietnam wanting to secede. Don't think anyone, regardless of ethnic group, enjoys associating with people who insult & look down on them? (but of course trying to secede from China...can be 'suicidal')

Date: Sep 22, 2008

Anonymous wrote:

The stereotype of them growing opium (while ignoring the fact that some Tai Lao themselves are also consumers of opium). likewise when referring to Vietnamese people.

I was just joking when I said, "I thought they only knew how to grow opium"
I don't know anything abut Hmong people in general.

Lan_Xang · Guru

We are not RACIST. Stop saying we are or making accusation. No one here hate Hmong. He just making a distinction between the two. That is not racist.

STOP saying or mentioning any remark on racism here. This post has nothing to do with it.
If you want to talk about your knowledge, history or experience about racism please put it another post.

SeeHarHed · Guru

Yes!! Hmong people still grow rice in U.S., to answer the question of this topic. Most of you probably didn't know they grow rice in U.S. In YoLo County (North of Sacramento, CA) is the biggest rice producer in the country. Alot of the rice from CA do get exported back to Japan. Also, it is being sold at Costco and other asian markets. And Yolo County probably is the 2nd or 3rd biggest Hmong population in CA. Some Hmong do work for those rice farmers and that answer the question. Hmong in U.S. do still grow rice.

Date: Sep 22, 2008

Buk Bruce, Buk Katheuy, what's wrong with Hmong or any other ethnicity growing rice in the US,or in any other country in the world ?

I hope your learned your lessons for the past month: DO NOT bring up and post some nonsense or stupid topics anymore.

You were, you are, and you'll be the pain of the butt of many visitors here.

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Buk Bruce, Buk Katheuy, what's wrong with Hmong or any other ethnicity growing rice in the US,or in any other country in the world ?
I hope your learned your lessons for the past month: DO NOT bring up and post some nonsense or stupid topics anymore.
You were, you are, and you'll be the pain of the butt of many visitors here.

Eh! Dimwit, I don’t recall saying anything wrong about growing rice. But It sounds like something is wrong with you for sure. I don’t understand why you still keep tailing my as$ since I don’t have anything left for you. Why don’t you go eat sh1t in your own toilet monkey? idea

-- Edited by BruceLaoMan at 22:58, 2008-09-22

Date: Sep 22, 2008

We don't discriminate against any ethnic tribe in Laos or in the world. We don't hold any stereo-type of any ethnic groups. If there is any stereo-type thinking, it's by the creation of that ethnic itself, not us.

laopeoplesarmy · Senior Member

Please be advise: some contributing members in here are not a citizen of the Lao PDR. Therefore their personal view or opinion of certain ethnic group do not reflect the reality of the Lao PDR's policy of ethnic integration and national unity.

See excerpt below from the book, "Post-war Laos the politics of culture, history, and identity," By Vatthana Pholsena.

"Ethnic diversity was no longer overlooked and became, and on the contrary, a national trademark. The new regime in Laos explicitly recognized "the Hill-Tribe Question" from the early years of the movement. Kaysone Phomvihane, the late President of the Lao PDR, called for greater attention to be paid to promoting education among ethnic groups, improving their living conditions and increasing production in remote minority areas. Furthermore, he insisted on respect being paid to the "psychology, aspirations, customs, and beliefs of each ethnic group" (Kaysone 1980, p.233)."

Regards,

Lao People's Army

Anonymous wrote:

over the past 2 years that i've been reading this forum...have seen plenty of posts that aren't too polite when referring to Hmong people e.g. a lot of 'buck/buk' & 'meo' (supposedly very insulting to them), telling them to get out of Laos, etc. & the stereotype of them growing opium (while ignoring the fact that some Tai Lao themselves are also consumers of opium). likewise when referring to Vietnamese people.

in real life, during my visits to Laos, also hear Tai Lao talking about Lao Soung in rather insulting ways. sometimes i don't dare mention to them that i have Lao Soung friends from various ethnic groups. interestingly, tolerance seems to increase as i travel further north...it's not so bad in Luang Prabang compared to Vientiane.

It is the Hmong themselves that they prefer to live alone, to be separated from the native people. They don't want to associate with local people and they want to secede from the country of their resettlement. They want to live separately.

What percentage of the Hmong? I wonder if it depends on how well they are treated & whether they get equal opportunities in society? Last time i looked at the statistics for students enrolled in NUOL, Lao Soung were still relatively poorly represented (as compared to their percentage of Laos population). Not heard of Hmong in China or Vietnam wanting to secede. Don't think anyone, regardless of ethnic group, enjoys associating with people who insult & look down on them? (but of course trying to secede from China...can be 'suicidal')

Lan_Xang · Guru

laopeoplesarmy wrote:

Please be advise: some contributing members in here are not a citizen of the Lao PDR. Therefore their personal view or opinion of certain ethnic group do not reflect the reality of the Lao PDR's policy of ethnic integration and national unity.

See excerpt below from the book, "Post-war Laos the politics of culture, history, and identity," By Vatthana Pholsena.

"Ethnic diversity was no longer overlooked and became, and on the contrary, a national trademark. The new regime in Laos explicitly recognized "the Hill-Tribe Question" from the early years of the movement. Kaysone Phomvihane, the late President of the Lao PDR, called for greater attention to be paid to promoting education among ethnic groups, improving their living conditions and increasing production in remote minority areas. Furthermore, he insisted on respect being paid to the "psychology, aspirations, customs, and beliefs of each ethnic group" (Kaysone 1980, p.233)."

Regards,

Lao People's Army

Anonymous wrote:

over the past 2 years that i've been reading this forum...have seen plenty of posts that aren't too polite when referring to Hmong people e.g. a lot of 'buck/buk' & 'meo' (supposedly very insulting to them), telling them to get out of Laos, etc. & the stereotype of them growing opium (while ignoring the fact that some Tai Lao themselves are also consumers of opium). likewise when referring to Vietnamese people.

in real life, during my visits to Laos, also hear Tai Lao talking about Lao Soung in rather insulting ways. sometimes i don't dare mention to them that i have Lao Soung friends from various ethnic groups. interestingly, tolerance seems to increase as i travel further north...it's not so bad in Luang Prabang compared to Vientiane.

It is the Hmong themselves that they prefer to live alone, to be separated from the native people. They don't want to associate with local people and they want to secede from the country of their resettlement. They want to live separately.

What percentage of the Hmong? I wonder if it depends on how well they are treated & whether they get equal opportunities in society? Last time i looked at the statistics for students enrolled in NUOL, Lao Soung were still relatively poorly represented (as compared to their percentage of Laos population). Not heard of Hmong in China or Vietnam wanting to secede. Don't think anyone, regardless of ethnic group, enjoys associating with people who insult & look down on them? (but of course trying to secede from China...can be 'suicidal')

LPA,

blah, blah, blah, blah!!

You love to quote Lao People Revolutionary Party propaganda.

Show us which post on this topic can be categorize at racist. YOU CAN'T BECAUSE NO ONE SAY ANYTHING BAD ABOUT HMONG ON THIS TOPIC. If you can't then you should stop bringing up anything about racist because it only propagate the problem.

TSP · Senior Member

May I clear the air.

FYI: Vattana Phosena is not the member of LPR party. She is Lao- French working in Singapore. She earned her PhD in UK and more details, please check the below link:

http://www.fas.nus.edu.sg/sea/ppl/ac_pvatthana.htm

Regards,

Date: Sep 23, 2008

Is she still in Singapore? The latest version of the Southeast Asian Studies programme homepage doesn't have her profile anymore: http://www.fas.nus.edu.sg/sea/people/faculty.htm

Think she has returned to France:
http://iao.ish-lyon.cnrs.fr/francais/vpholsena.html

Lan_Xang · Guru

TSP wrote:

May I clear the air.

FYI: Vattana Phosena is not the member of LPR party. She is Lao- French working in Singapore. She earned her PhD in UK and more details, please check the below link:

http://www.fas.nus.edu.sg/sea/ppl/ac_pvatthana.htm

Regards,

TSP,

Thanks for the detail.
She still wrote the quote from Kayone Phomvihane who is the leader of LPRP. :)

chiip · Guru

I once ,praised one of my hmong friends that they are mostly clever and hard working, good place in school with excellent scores in examination...my friend laughted and stopped me : you don`t know one thing : hmong people have two categories : the first are those who are really clever and hardest working people but the second ones are the most lazy and the most stupid, Oh ! yeah ? I said, and we laughted together.

chiip · Guru

I once ,praised one of my hmong friends that they are mostly clever and hard working, good place in school with excellent scores in examination...my friend laughted and stopped me : you don`t know one thing : hmong people have two categories : the first are those who are really clever and hardest working people but the second ones are the most lazy and the most stupid, Oh ! yeah ? I said, and we laughted together.

SeeHarHed · Guru

Why you double post? First of all, I have to give those hmong some credits. They do work hard and alot of their kids attending colleges. In my opinion, I think the Hmong are ahead of us (lao lume) in terms of education and professional. At any given college or university you will find more hmong than lao lume. I dont know what it is about our lao lume. Most of them never continue to higher education. After they finished high school, their parents bought them new car and cruised around town. Shortly after that they just pump out kids left and right.

Lan_Xang · Guru

SeeHarHed wrote:

Why you double post? First of all, I have to give those hmong some credits. They do work hard and alot of their kids attending colleges. In my opinion, I think the Hmong are ahead of us (lao lume) in terms of education and professional. At any given college or university you will find more hmong than lao lume. I dont know what it is about our lao lume. Most of them never continue to higher education. After they finished high school, their parents bought them new car and cruised around town. Shortly after that they just pump out kids left and right.

There is one guy at LaoHub that double post all the time. He must have a hickup on his internet connection. I am guessing this CHIP person is the same person at LaoHub.

Date: Sep 24, 2008

Yes, this CHIIP dude must be Magicnite dude from Laohub. He likes to double post most of the times. I guess he wants to be sure people read them.

SeeHarHed · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

Yes, this CHIIP dude must be Magicnite dude from Laohub. He likes to double post most of the times. I guess he wants to be sure people read them.

Oh! Chip is same guy that goes by Magicnite in LaoHub? Well, Magicnite girlfriend is Hmong and alot of his friends are Hmong. That's what happen if you live Wisconsin.

Lan_Xang · Guru

Some of those Hmong girls on his football team are hot! hot!. I like them . :)