'Say you weren't raped in jail and we'll let you live', pregnant British woman told in Laos prison
By Simon Walters Last updated at 1:08 AM on 10th May 2009
A pregnant British woman arrested for heroin-smuggling in Laos has been told she must testify in court that she was not raped in prison in order to escape the firing squad.
Samantha Orobator, who is five months pregnant, was arrested in August at Wattay airport in the capital Vientiane for trying to smuggle 1.5lb of heroin.
The 20-year-old from South London goes on trial this week and will be asked to declare publicly that she was not raped in Phonthong prison, one of Asia’s most squalid jails.
If Orobator co-operates, she will be transferred from Laos to a UK prison under a new treaty signed between the two countries on Thursday, but if not, her trial will be postponed and she will return to jail in Laos.
If she faces trial again after the birth of her child, she will not have the immunity from execution that pregnancy gives her under the Laos penal code.
A Laos government spokesman, Kenthong Nuanthasing, said: ‘She will tell the court, otherwise she will stay here. Nobody can guarantee that she will not face the firing squad.’
Laos’s leaders are sensitive to suggestions that Orobator might have been raped in jail and appear to be using her trial to try to quash the allegation.
‘We don’t want the outside world to blame us,’ Nuanthasing added.
Asked who fathered the baby, Nuanthasing said: ‘It is a mystery – maybe it is a baby from the sky.’
Orobator has already written a letter declaring she was not raped and that she had not had sex while in prison, The Mail on Sunday has learned.
Although officials claim Phonthong prison is a women-only jail with female guards, staff there said it had male and female guards and separate male and female blocks.
A French former inmate who spent five months there in the Nineties said: ‘Female prisoners were coerced into sex with promises from guards that they would get them off the death penalty, get them a shorter sentence or make life inside more comfortable for them.’
Human rights lawyer Anna Morris flew to Vientiane last week to represent Orobator but has so far been refused permission to see her.
Singapour hang an australian many years ago for drug trafficking anyone here still remember that. LAO should does the same. In Lao we used to say ' Kor Kum Kum Sanorng'. If you had the gust not to follow Rules then you should have the gust to face it.
my question is HOW DID SHE GET THE DRUG ? WHO SOLE THE DRUG TO HER ? regular villagers can't make that kind of drug
i guess this kind of drug was smuggling form thailand, then she is one of the smuggling ring to transfer to the west. ask a simple question, how she fund all of her travel over the globe, when her mother is a student and on welfare. she herself is only 20 yrs old. i work my a$$ off and still can not effort to come home once.
i will say again and again, the westerners always blame you if you let drug trafficking or if you don't. they feel, they are over any countries' rules. thirst countries around the earth don't have even school and they blame the bad condition in the jail ?! what the hell is she wanting !?
i guess this kind of drug was smuggling form thailand, then she is one of the smuggling ring to transfer to the west. ask a simple question, how she fund all of her travel over the globe, when her mother is a student and on welfare. she herself is only 20 yrs old. i work my a$$ off and still can not effort to come home once.
my2cent
Excuse me, but before you blah, blah, any further, I think you should try to understand the whole story.If I am not wrong, this woman was apprehended as she was about to leave Laos for BangC0ck Thailand for the possession of heroin. There had to be some sort of connection for her access to drugs in Laos. Though I am Laotian myself but I won’t know where or how to get them and for this lady to obtain a vast amount of heroines, she must for sure have known some lucrative distributor in Laos.
I also have a very hard time to fathom the mentality of some Laotian folks in here who want her to be executed. They should at least wait until she is proven guilty by the court of law before issuing their own abjudication if they think that they are more knowledgeable in judicial process than the presiding judge in Laos.As I said earlier, Laotian government might end up extraditing her to England where she would serve the rest of her time according to the British law. They would run a background check on her to see if this is her first offense or she had a similar conviction in the past then an appropriate sentencing guideline would apply accordingly. Only a third world savage and some fanatical Islamic worshipers wouldn’t cherish or value life. Buddhism, on the other hand, prohibits taking any living things especially a life of a human being according to its five precepts because Buddha strongly believes in life-after death and any reward or karma would be determined by the “Supreme Being” from above.
Though a drug offense maybe considered serious in Laos but it doesn’t warrant a liquidation of a human life by any means specifically by firing squad. Can you imagine yourself pointing a gun at her and simultaneously hearing her voice begging you for mercy? As bad as she may sound or look to you, but she does has a family who still loves her and stands by her in the hours of mentally fearful agony just as you would too if she is your very own daughter. Nothing can go wrong to show a little bit of sympathy and I truly believe Laotian governments or whoever in charge of this case do the right thing for the sake of a country, for the image and for the future of Laos, to which no one can deny that we are a very poor country and we still beg the world for all necessities. By agreeing to exonerate her or repatriate her to a country of her national origin, proves to the world that Laos has humanity in its heart and importantly Lao is sensitive to the word’s concern. The international community should continue its effort to academically, economically assist Laos as well as in other areas.
Foreigners should not falsely believe that they would have no access to justice and feel discourage to visit or invest in Laos. Nationalistic mentality of some Lao folks in this forum won’t change the fact that Laos is as of today, the least developed country in Southeast Asia and many people can’t live beyond 56 years of age. I won’t criticize Laotian government if they eventually hand her over to the British authority as I had expected it. Better yet, I would establish good relations with London and expose Laos to its ordinary citizens as much as possible within our own capacity so that the good image of Laos will change their negative perception if I were the Laotian ambassador.
Nevertheless, I am for capital punishment on a condemned criminal offense such as, rape, robbery that results in death of innocent victims.
BruceLaoMan
-- Edited by BLM69 on Monday 11th of May 2009 12:01:54 AM
BLM69 that was one of the more thoughtful and well articulated posts I’ve read on here. Well done.
If it’s any help I don’t believe there are heroin laboratories in Laos. More than likely the LPDR was a transshipment country from Burma on the way out to the world.
I too value human life as do probably the officials of the Justice Department of Laos. Remember the death penalty and even the illegality of drugs is a very recent law in Laos. Instituted I believe at the urging of certain western countries.
I know people who have done much worse things in life, and then gone on to later become productive citizens. I’ve noticed that the Lao PDR attempts to rehabilitate rather than simply punish. That is a very modern outlook on crime in keeping with the generally forward looking attitude of the people. I hope they amend their drug laws such that they are more in sync with their society and Buddhist tradition.
-- Edited by ban nok on Sunday 10th of May 2009 11:19:23 PM
I would rather support the courth sentences her to be shooting by ak47 if she commit the crime than listening the news or somedia say, the human right is succck in Laos and the jail in Laos is like the hell, especially treat the foreigner. However " who is the father of baby?"
ban nok wrote:the ring is very simple, the drug get in laos from thailand or burma. why do they get in laos and back thru thailand, then western countries. bcoz these gang get thru easier, corrupted officer at the airport would take some nam-jai and voila, everything more than fine. why don't they get thru thai airport ? bcoz there they have more IT technique. they will pass harder or none. when the trafficker fly from VTE thru thai airport, they won't check your laggage again. that is the reason why the lady got it at VTE airport. BTW a lot of Hmong did that. evidents were last hmong killing hmong somewhere in the mid. state if i recall last or 2 months back.
that is my guess.
BLM69 that was one of the more thoughtful and well articulated posts I’ve read on here. Well done.
If it’s any help I don’t believe there are heroin laboratories in Laos. More than likely the LPDR was a transshipment country from Burma on the way out to the world.
I too value human life as do probably the officials of the Justice Department of Laos. Remember the death penalty and even the illegality of drugs is a very recent law in Laos. Instituted I believe at the urging of certain western countries.
I know people who have done much worse things in life, and then gone on to later become productive citizens. I’ve noticed that the Lao PDR attempts to rehabilitate rather than simply punish. That is a very modern outlook on crime in keeping with the generally forward looking attitude of the people. I hope they amend their drug laws such that they are more in sync with their society and Buddhist tradition.
-- Edited by ban nok on Sunday 10th of May 2009 11:19:23 PM
so if usa have death penalty , what wrong with laos have deatlh penalty?
It is not easy to prosecute a capital case in the United States of America. Any district attorney can’t deny that. It takes a whole lot of money and overwhelming evidence to prove a person is guilty of a capital crime in order to get a capital punishment and all the selected jurors must unanimously agree that the crime involve special circumstances. For instance, rape, kidnapping, or robbery that ends up in a death of an innocent victim or premeditated murder. There is no death penalty for financial crimes or drug offenses unless as I said, a special circumstance proves it otherwise. Life in prison without a possibility of parole is the most our district attorneys can impose.
There are 14 states in the U.S that banned the practice of capital punishment and many death-row inmates were exonerated due to the wrongful conviction partly to blame on the loophole of the justice system and thanks to the advent of our most technologically advanced DNA. Comparing Laos to Singapore is ludicrously useless. You should know Laos merely stands 5 feet tall whereas Singapore is a 10-foot Giant. The Laotian government knows it fully well but for whatever reason, some of you just don’t seem to get it. Flexibility is a key survival and a path to a greater success and Laos at the moment comprehends these. I don’t have any further logical reason to explain to you and I can only hope you guys think a little bit deeper.
Does the cost equal benefit? Which in this case, the government of Laos does not hesitate to recognize it and by signing an agreement with London to hand over Orobator, did actually corroborate my initial stance. I said it from the beginning that Laos is not in the position to act without political and economical assessment of loss.
BLM is probably the most educated guy here on this forum. A lot of the people here are uneducated and narrow minded. How about take one or two from BLM?
don't take it in general. this is the cyberspace and most of the ppl chit-chat for fun. as you know this sapha coffee is for all kind of ppl. i would not say, a lot of the ppl here are uneducated and narrow minded, but they have fun talking/teasing each others here. you might be right at anytime you can learn what you never know about or adding to your knowledge. nothing is wrong on that. i feel a lot of guys just come in the house, but they don't post or take their turns. they just safe the knowledge for themselve.
p.s. can we have a coffee chit-chat sometime. your get the shop, i can come to seatown, renton, bellevue or wherever you would around the seatown.
my2cent
BLM is probably the most educated guy here on this forum. A lot of the people here are uneducated and narrow minded. How about take one or two from BLM?