BLM as a newer generation never saw General Gong Le. Was he really a good man with broader vision or an opportunist who was full of lust for power? Can anyone post a picture of him? I understand he is nobody to many of you but it would be nice to get a little glimpse of his biography for he is part of our history. I had heard nice things about him. To many Laotians, he was not just a military general but he was more of a general of peace, the unwitting icon in some respect. As Laos engaged in domestic strife among various war fractions, Captain Kong Le staged a coup and immediately declared neutrality, but it was just for a short-lived because rightist forces drove out the neutralist government. I guess none of us wasn’t even born yet when all of these happened. The truth is though, the United States and North Vietnam created proxy armies despite the agreement under the Geneva Convention that Laos was an independence country and Laos had declared neutrality. A moment of peace was for a blink of an eye. The Viets not only disregarded but also subverted the Geneva Convention and they never really withdrew from our little Kingdom as agreed upon. Laos was instead repeatedly invaded and the Pathet Lao was nothing more than a little a proxy army for Vietnam’s interests at the time.
After U.S forces left Vietnam according Paris-Peace Accord, they left Laos too and the Pathet Lao Army had the full backing of the Viets to which they could easily march in the capital city "Vientiane" taking full control with little resistance. After that, the powerless king who really had nothing to do with the whole conflict was forced to abdicate his throne and Lao PDR was established. I had wholeheartedly hoped the king was treated at least to the minimum of human dignity. In BLM’s eyes, he was a legitimate King of all Laotians. I would not under any circumstances dare to question that legitimacy. Nevertheless, everything had become the past. We can only hope for a brighter future, lasting peace and harmony for the motherland and we should not ever again engage in a civil war.
BLM as a newer generation never saw General Gong Le. Was he really a good man with broader vision or an opportunist who was full of lust for power? Can anyone post a picture of him? I understand he is nobody to many of you but it would be nice to get a little glimpse of his biography for he is part of our history. I had heard nice things about him. To many Laotians, he was not just a military general but he was more of a general of peace, the unwitting icon in some respect. As Laos engaged in domestic strife among various war fractions, Captain Kong Le staged a coup and immediately declared neutrality, but it was just for a short-lived because rightist forces drove out the neutralist government. I guess none of us wasn’t even born yet when all of these happened. The truth is though, the United States and North Vietnam created proxy armies despite the agreement under the Geneva Convention that Laos was an independence country and Laos had declared neutrality. A moment of peace was for a blink of an eye. The Viets not only disregarded but also subverted the Geneva Convention and they never really withdrew from our little Kingdom as agreed upon. Laos was instead repeatedly invaded and the Pathet Lao was nothing more than a little a proxy army for Vietnam’s interests at the time.
After U.S forces left Vietnam according Paris-Peace Accord, they left Laos too and the Pathet Lao Army had the full backing of the Viets to which they could easily march in the capital city "Vientiane" taking full control with little resistance. After that, the powerless king who really had nothing to do with the whole conflict was forced to abdicate his throne and Lao PDR was established. I had wholeheartedly hoped the king was treated at least to the minimum of human dignity. In BLM’s eyes, he was a legitimate King of all Laotians. I would not under any circumstances dare to question that legitimacy. Nevertheless, everything had become the past. We can only hope for a brighter future, lasting peace and harmony for the motherland and we should not ever again engage in a civil war.
my parent said he is a very honest person and love his country so much.
BLM as a newer generation never saw General Gong Le. Was he really a good man with broader vision or an opportunist who was full of lust for power? Can anyone post a picture of him? I understand he is nobody to many of you but it would be nice to get a little glimpse of his biography for he is part of our history. I had heard nice things about him. To many Laotians, he was not just a military general but he was more of a general of peace, the unwitting icon in some respect. As Laos engaged in domestic strife among various war fractions, Captain Kong Le staged a coup and immediately declared neutrality, but it was just for a short-lived because rightist forces drove out the neutralist government. I guess none of us wasn’t even born yet when all of these happened. The truth is though, the United States and North Vietnam created proxy armies despite the agreement under the Geneva Convention that Laos was an independence country and Laos had declared neutrality. A moment of peace was for a blink of an eye. The Viets not only disregarded but also subverted the Geneva Convention and they never really withdrew from our little Kingdom as agreed upon. Laos was instead repeatedly invaded and the Pathet Lao was nothing more than a little a proxy army for Vietnam’s interests at the time.
After U.S forces left Vietnam according Paris-Peace Accord, they left Laos too and the Pathet Lao Army had the full backing of the Viets to which they could easily march in the capital city "Vientiane" taking full control with little resistance. After that, the powerless king who really had nothing to do with the whole conflict was forced to abdicate his throne and Lao PDR was established. I had wholeheartedly hoped the king was treated at least to the minimum of human dignity. In BLM’s eyes, he was a legitimate King of all Laotians. I would not under any circumstances dare to question that legitimacy. Nevertheless, everything had become the past. We can only hope for a brighter future, lasting peace and harmony for the motherland and we should not ever again engage in a civil war.
my parent said he is a very honest person and love his country so much.
Since your parent new a thing or two about a person of interest, maybe your parent and my parents might know each other. Just my curiosity?
When Berlin wall was torn down and the Soviet Union were collapsed . Then China became half communist and half capitalist only 30 years ago that made China became the second largest economy in the world . In 1978 Chinese used to ride bicycle and sandal and very back ward and poor . So look art China today by being half communist and half capitalist that is equal neutral and china became the world fastest economy grow in the world.
HALF COMMUNIST + HALF CAPATALIST = NEUTRAL
When the government will allow and give the power back to the people as the constitution said Article 2 . All power are of the people so let be the government that must be elected by the people not only by one group of people.
ພໍ່ຂ້ອຍແມ່ນຜູ້ນຶ່ງໃນຈຳນວນທີເປັນລູ້ກນ້ອງທີ່ໄກ້ສິດຂອງເພິ່ນ and my dad fought side by side in that war with him. To name a few of my dad's friends: General ກອງ ແລ, Gen. ອຳຄາ, Gen.ສີນ, Gen ແອຕໍ່າ ......etc, I might miss spelled some names, my Lao writing is a little rusty hahaha.
For those who wants to find out about General Kong Le?
“A bizarre turn of events in August 1960 illustrates the complexity of Laotian internal politics and why a reading of the conflict in purely Cold War ideological terms was grossly inadequate. Captain Kong Le, an able RLA commander, grew exasperated with widespread corruption and foreign interference. He ordered his battalion of paratroopers to seize control of Vientiane and establish a truly neutralist government under Souvanna Phouma. The coup met little internal resistance. In fact, Kong Le was immediately hailed in the streets of Vientiane as a hero.
“American State Department and Intelligence officials debated whom to back. Souvanna Phouma was recognized as a superior leader with broad support in Laos. Yet his willingness to include communists in his government worried the Americans. General Phoumi, although not a U.S. puppet, took a staunchly anti-communist position. However, CIA operatives questioned his leadership abilities and noted his narrow base of support.
“After an initial wait-and-see reaction, the United States suspended can-grant aid to Souvanna and backed General Phoumi. With U.S. assistance, Phoumi’s forces invaded Vientiane and drove Kong Le’s troops northward. At the Plain of Jars, Kong Le made an uneasy alliance with the Pathet Lao. As President Eisenhower prepared to leave the White House in December 1960, he briefed President-elect Kennedy on the tense situation. The Soviet Union was airlifting supplies to Kong Le on the Plain of Jars while the United States continued to back General Phoumi. Both sides defended their actions in the guise of protecting Laotian sovereignty…"
Tim Pfaff from Hmong in America: Journey from a Secret War
For those who wants to find out about General Kong Le?
“A bizarre turn of events in August 1960 illustrates the complexity of Laotian internal politics and why a reading of the conflict in purely Cold War ideological terms was grossly inadequate. Captain Kong Le, an able RLA commander, grew exasperated with widespread corruption and foreign interference. He ordered his battalion of paratroopers to seize control of Vientiane and establish a truly neutralist government under Souvanna Phouma. The coup met little internal resistance. In fact, Kong Le was immediately hailed in the streets of Vientiane as a hero.
“American State Department and Intelligence officials debated whom to back. Souvanna Phouma was recognized as a superior leader with broad support in Laos. Yet his willingness to include communists in his government worried the Americans. General Phoumi, although not a U.S. puppet, took a staunchly anti-communist position. However, CIA operatives questioned his leadership abilities and noted his narrow base of support.
“After an initial wait-and-see reaction, the United States suspended can-grant aid to Souvanna and backed General Phoumi. With U.S. assistance, Phoumi’s forces invaded Vientiane and drove Kong Le’s troops northward. At the Plain of Jars, Kong Le made an uneasy alliance with the Pathet Lao. As President Eisenhower prepared to leave the White House in December 1960, he briefed President-elect Kennedy on the tense situation. The Soviet Union was airlifting supplies to Kong Le on the Plain of Jars while the United States continued to back General Phoumi. Both sides defended their actions in the guise of protecting Laotian sovereignty…"
Tim Pfaff from Hmong in America: Journey from a Secret War
For those who wants to find out about General Kong Le?
“A bizarre turn of events in August 1960 illustrates the complexity of Laotian internal politics and why a reading of the conflict in purely Cold War ideological terms was grossly inadequate. Captain Kong Le, an able RLA commander, grew exasperated with widespread corruption and foreign interference. He ordered his battalion of paratroopers to seize control of Vientiane and establish a truly neutralist government under Souvanna Phouma. The coup met little internal resistance. In fact, Kong Le was immediately hailed in the streets of Vientiane as a hero.
“American State Department and Intelligence officials debated whom to back. Souvanna Phouma was recognized as a superior leader with broad support in Laos. Yet his willingness to include communists in his government worried the Americans. General Phoumi, although not a U.S. puppet, took a staunchly anti-communist position. However, CIA operatives questioned his leadership abilities and noted his narrow base of support.
“After an initial wait-and-see reaction, the United States suspended can-grant aid to Souvanna and backed General Phoumi. With U.S. assistance, Phoumi’s forces invaded Vientiane and drove Kong Le’s troops northward. At the Plain of Jars, Kong Le made an uneasy alliance with the Pathet Lao. As President Eisenhower prepared to leave the White House in December 1960, he briefed President-elect Kennedy on the tense situation. The Soviet Union was airlifting supplies to Kong Le on the Plain of Jars while the United States continued to back General Phoumi. Both sides defended their actions in the guise of protecting Laotian sovereignty…"
Tim Pfaff from Hmong in America: Journey from a Secret War
Wow! What an interesting story of the great general; so many twists and turns in this intricate event with one thing distinctively displayed was his ultimate desire for peace for his little kingdom. All sides should leave my country alone (Quoted Gong Le) I read all pages from 1-9 and the phenomena just kept captivating my curiosity. Of all the ethnic groups in Laos, his father was from the socially honest and lowliest, Kha--the upper or higher-lander? And his mother was a Laotian Villager of Phalane in Southern part of Laos.
His army men were ill equipped, with the strength of less than 3000 fighting without any proper training and nearly 2 years without pay, but nothing could undermine their indomitable spirits, and their loyalty to the great General Gong Le. His awakening to the realities was a painful process. He more than once allied with the Communist Pathet Lao for the sake of peace, but only faced with betrayals even by his own protégé. In the midst of all the conflicts, the general wasn't sure whom or what he's fighting for. The truth was though, Viet gooks' cadres poured across the border. His greatest difficulty was the assistance Pathet Lao received from Viets and these gooks were undeniably the most fearsome enemy of all Laotian forces due to their dumb valiance and sheer numbers. Pathet Lao forces did not hesitate to use it for their advantage by broadcasting in Viet's language exaggerating the strength and the vicinity of Viets' presence. Pathet Lao Army men seemed to learn fairly well: the skilful trick, infiltration, and intimidation of which they often used to obtain cooperative support and contributions from villagers.
Thank you for posting the link. I profoundly respect his resilience, his charisma and his relentless effort to bring peace into the little kingdom.
-- Edited by BLM2010 on Thursday 4th of February 2010 03:27:23 AM
If you don't mind, BLM do you know any of these men I've mentioned? If yes, what is your relationship to them?
ພໍ່ຂ້ອຍແມ່ນຜູ້ນຶ່ງໃນຈຳນວນທີເປັນລູ້ກນ້ອງທີ່ໄກ້ສິດຂອງເພິ່ນ and my dad fought side by side in that war with him. To name a few of my dad's friends: General ກອງ ແລ, Gen. ອຳຄາ, Gen.ສີນ, Gen ແອຕໍ່າ ......etc, I might miss spelled some names, my Lao writing is a little rusty hahaha.
If you don't mind, BLM do you know any of these men I've mentioned? If yes, what is your relationship to them?
ພໍ່ຂ້ອຍແມ່ນຜູ້ນຶ່ງໃນຈຳນວນທີເປັນລູ້ກນ້ອງທີ່ໄກ້ສິດຂອງເພິ່ນ and my dad fought side by side in that war with him. To name a few of my dad's friends: General ກອງ ແລ, Gen. ອຳຄາ, Gen.ສີນ, Gen ແອຕໍ່າ ......etc, I might miss spelled some names, my Lao writing is a little rusty hahaha.
To be honest with you, I don't know any one of them but I had heard of General Gong Le as I stated on my other posts. I am too young to know those important people and I was born only a few years earlier than 1975. Your dad should also be considered our national hero at the time.I am sure you are proud of him. A man has to do what he thinks is going to keep his family survive and in your father’s case, he did the right thing by hanging on to the uncertainty and at the end, he still had his family intact. I truly admire him. My dad on the other hand, shacked up with many different women and he had kids with them without providing paternal support and care. They naturally grew up with their moms and falsely hope that my dad would return. He certainly had no shame. Instead, he bragged about his games of going in ladies’ pants. As you might already know being a single mom in Laos at the time, life could be very complicated. You would be very lucky if a man would show any interest in dating you.
If you don't mind, BLM do you know any of these men I've mentioned? If yes, what is your relationship to them?
ພໍ່ຂ້ອຍແມ່ນຜູ້ນຶ່ງໃນຈຳນວນທີເປັນລູ້ກນ້ອງທີ່ໄກ້ສິດຂອງເພິ່ນ and my dad fought side by side in that war with him. To name a few of my dad's friends: General ກອງ ແລ, Gen. ອຳຄາ, Gen.ສີນ, Gen ແອຕໍ່າ ......etc, I might miss spelled some names, my Lao writing is a little rusty hahaha.
To be honest with you, I don't know any one of them but I had heard of General Gong Le as I stated on my other posts. I am too young to know those important people and I was born only a few years earlier than 1975. Your dad should also be considered our national hero at the time.I am sure you are proud of him. A man has to do what he thinks is going to keep his family survive and in your father’s case, he did the right thing by hanging on to the uncertainty and at the end, he still had his family intact. I truly admire him. My dad on the other hand, shacked up with many different women and he had kids with them without providing paternal support and care. They naturally grew up with their moms and falsely hope that my dad would return. He certainly had no shame. Instead, he bragged about his games of going in ladies’ pants. As you might already know being a single mom in Laos at the time, life could be very complicated. You would be very lucky if a man would show any interest in dating you.
brother BLM i learn new words from reading your post all the time. i use my dictionary.
To be honest with you, I don't know any one of them but I had heard of General Gong Le as I stated on my other posts. I am too young to know those important people and I was born only a few years earlier than 1975. Your dad should also be considered our national hero at the time.I am sure you are proud of him. A man has to do what he thinks is going to keep his family survive and in your father’s case, he did the right thing by hanging on to the uncertainty and at the end, he still had his family intact. I truly admire him. My dad on the other hand, shacked up with many different women and he had kids with them without providing paternal support and care. They naturally grew up with their moms and falsely hope that my dad would return. He certainly had no shame. Instead, he bragged about his games of going in ladies’ pants. As you might already know being a single mom in Laos at the time, life could be very complicated. You would be very lucky if a man would show any interest in dating you.
Brother BLM are you interested in making " Narakhoon ii"?
Lol, if any of my posts can be of a little help to you then I am truly honored to learn that.
With regard to Khonthakek's question, if I were approached to film for Narakhoon II, I might very well consider it. After all, I am more handsome for my age than the guy in Narakhoo I
To be honest with you, I don't know any one of them but I had heard of General Gong Le as I stated on my other posts. I am too young to know those important people and I was born only a few years earlier than 1975. Your dad should also be considered our national hero at the time.I am sure you are proud of him. A man has to do what he thinks is going to keep his family survive and in your father’s case, he did the right thing by hanging on to the uncertainty and at the end, he still had his family intact. I truly admire him. My dad on the other hand, shacked up with many different women and he had kids with them without providing paternal support and care. They naturally grew up with their moms and falsely hope that my dad would return. He certainly had no shame. Instead, he bragged about his games of going in ladies’ pants. As you might already know being a single mom in Laos at the time, life could be very complicated. You would be very lucky if a man would show any interest in dating you.
Brother BLM are you interested in making " Narakhoon ii"?
Thank you for the nice words about my dad brother BLM, and I hope to see " Narakhoon #2" with you in it! Hehehehe
Lol, if any of my posts can be of a little help to you then I am truly honored to learn that.
With regard to Khonthakek's question, if I were approached to film for Narakhoon II, I might very well consider it. After all, I am more handsome for my age than the guy in Narakhoo I
Dont forget to invite me on the gala night of your launching movie BLM
i hope one day the lao public will understand that during the war there were no bad or good lao.
with greater access to information and a better educational system where we can learn much higher then before they will realize that both sides were caught in the middle.
there is no reason for us to be divided. the lao king loved his people and land but due to foriengn problems laos and the people were "divided".
anyway with education lao will mend together the problems that other nations caused to separate us.
thats why it hurts me to see if their are formal lao royalist and lao communist still hating one another without knowing the truth behind the truth.
long live ONE LAO. great article BLM and every one else who is contributing to the wonderful website.
Lao people are so family oriented to the point you take everyone as your relatives. For this reason, Lao people can only get mad at each other like siblings and not hating each other like enemies.
Thanks for sharing this link to the Time mag article. Its quite a long read and I am usually not a history fanatic. However, the article is so well written like story telling and go me hooked. This general had an interesting life. Also, thanks BLM for summarizing it for us.
True honest man. Many Generals were trafficking narcotic from Burma to South of Laos. He believe what he did was for the good of the country but in the end many people look down upon him. He got my respect. My only gripe with him is he decided to join the Commies after his fail coup. I know he didn't have a choice but it was a mistake when he did that.
True honest man. Many Generals were trafficking narcotic from Burma to South of Laos. He believe what he did was for the good of the country but in the end many people look down upon him. He got my respect. My only gripe with him is he decided to join the Commies after his fail coup. I know he didn't have a choice but it was a mistake when he did that.
I spoke to my dad about this interesting topic and my dad knew who General Kong Le was, because the General use to be in my dad's troop ( Commando) for a short time before the war of Kong Le . While the general was with my dad he was a Captain and my dad was a Commander, after that my dad had to go study in Cambodia and during that time not yet the General Kong Le were transfer to a different division ( battalion ) if I remember it correctly of what my dad told me. Well any ways it would take days to talk about this very interesting General, for now is all I can share with and thanks to BLM for a very interesting and good topic.
Before this I only have heard about this war, but never knew why people called it Kong Le war I wasn't even born yet. Now I know, how the war got its name, it was because of this great general and that's all folks
Without Kong Le no Laos PDR today. Kong Le troops were backed up and fought side by side with " NEO LAO HACK SAD " troops against Phoumi Nosavanh and Vand Pao armies. He should take over as Prime minister instead of offered that to Prince Souvannaphouma. He was also helped NEO LAO HACK SAD built up their troops and he shared all the war weapons that he got from China and CCCP with them.
Kong Le was forced out of Vang Vieng, Laos by Col. Somphet Sotsavanh and Col. Phanh Nola in 1967. An Indonesian Ambassador private jet fly him out from Vang Vieng airport.
He's always calling Souvannaphouma and NEO LAO HACK SAD governments as:
Without Kong Le no Laos PDR today. Kong Le troops were backed up and fought side by side with " NEO LAO HACK SAD " troops against Phoumi Nosavanh and Vand Pao armies. He should take over as Prime minister instead of offered that to Prince Souvannaphouma. He was also helped NEO LAO HACK SAD built up their troops and he shared all the war weapons that he got from China and CCCP with them.
Kong Le was forced out of Vang Vieng, Laos by Col. Somphet Sotsavanh and Col. Phanh Nola in 1967. An Indonesian Ambassador private jet fly him out from Vang Vieng airport.
He's always calling Souvannaphouma and NEO LAO HACK SAD governments as:
" KINH LAO LUIM NEE, SEE LEO LUIM KHOON "
Let me see if I got this right, did you mean General Kong Le betrayed us all and how Laos became the communist country? If this was true, I will be pretty disappoint! and at the same time I was some what relieved my dad was in Cambodia while the war was going on. At least I know he wasn't part of the of this.
Without Kong Le no Laos PDR today. Kong Le troops were backed up and fought side by side with " NEO LAO HACK SAD " troops against Phoumi Nosavanh and Vand Pao armies. He should take over as Prime minister instead of offered that to Prince Souvannaphouma. He was also helped NEO LAO HACK SAD built up their troops and he shared all the war weapons that he got from China and CCCP with them.
Kong Le was forced out of Vang Vieng, Laos by Col. Somphet Sotsavanh and Col. Phanh Nola in 1967. An Indonesian Ambassador private jet fly him out from Vang Vieng airport.
He's always calling Souvannaphouma and NEO LAO HACK SAD governments as:
Khong Le (Khmu lgeneral during the Secret War) at a party in his honor, Fresno, California
Wow! Is that his current picture? He is a little guy with mighty instinct. Please convey BLM's sincere and deepest respect to the General. I am as his fellow Laotian indisputably owes him not just a simple thank you for his service to the little kingdom but also a truthful appreciation.
As I know that General Kongle is true leader of Laos and Lao people. He is intelligence and brave man that try to stop aggression of emperor or colonialism. Laos lost it land to neighboring countries from time to time and era to era. Laos from large scale of the land then remain only land lock nation that sit in the middle between two super power Capitalism and Communism. Lao fighting among Lao between leftist and right wing. Leftist favor Communist and right wing favor Capitalist. General vision is want Laos and Lao people to live in peace and and become Independent country. In 1707 to 1893 was under control by Siam and later by French and gave 19 provinces to Siam known as Isaan today. In 1893 until 1954 Laos was colonial by French. When French lost war in Southeast Asia then gave Dien Bien Phu to Vietcong. Laos is surrounding by much of the predators that want to swallow Laos. As you know, more than 60 millions of Lao in Thailand, more than 30 millions in Burma, more than 100 million in China, as well as in India, and more then 25 millions in North Vietnam known as 12 chao Tai. When French gave independent to Lao, Lao of Lao then start fighting each other like two dogs try to get the meat from one another. General Kongle seen what was happen in the past and see what will going to happen in the future then he try to stop this cause. The cause was draining from the roof top that right wing was corruption on that time. General want Laos to be Neutral country. Why?. because Laos sit in between communism and capitalism and he don't want Laos to be the battle field or illegal economic field. He want Laos and Lao people to live in peace and safe of forthcoming cause. This is reason he want the country to be like. Neutral country is living in peace and harmony that no outsider can't interfere the land either direct or indirect. that is why 14 countries signed in Geneva Accord for Laos to become Neutralist country that no one ever did. But the cause that insider of Lao of it own between leftist and rightist didn't want know peace and try to killed him and put him in Bangkok Jail for 28 days then he escape. Later force him to exiled. The government two side between leftist and rightist of Laos then tell the world that we are no need help of outsider. Lao two side agree to corporate and signed in Vientian capital for leading the country.
General kongle is great man and he care of Laos and Lao people. Most of the Laos leader of that time didn't like him because he was captain by that time. No leader nor general like small ranking over throne. If Lao people don't think of which way is safe way for the Journey of the country and people, Laos will become a tribe as 12 chao tai in North Vietnam. As you see, every time Lao government have to travel to Hanoi to get orders from Commander. Laos today is just a bark of tree.