How about Lao people feel on this news

laolamleuak · Senior Member

How about Lao people feel on this news

Lao Isan · Senior Member

Maybe a set up by chinese govenment to start trouble with western allies. It China asking for WWIII? Couple year back Chinese pilot also collide with US jet. It's accident or on purpose? They are playing politics. And try to bullied it small neighbor.

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Sunday 26th of September 2010 03:25:50 AM

khonthakek · Guru

that island ( Diao yu island) I am not very sure that is it belong to China or Japan, the china claims that, the island is belong to China from the ancient time. however, it is too much for Japanese govt to apologize and compensation .

-- Edited by khonthakek on Sunday 26th of September 2010 04:58:15 AM

laolamleuak · Senior Member

For my understanding the iseland is not main isssue of Chinese captain was arrestested but China is playing dramatic game. China should say thanks to Japan instaed of this issue biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

Lao Isan · Senior Member

China also claims some of Vietnam island. Not just Japan.

KAONIAW · Senior Member

That's not really the issue. It's the surrounding area that contain minerals and oil that both the Chinese and Japenese are after.

Lao Isan · Senior Member

That is the cause of war and conflict around the world. Money and power, land, natural resource. It'll get worst as world population grow and there's less and less resource.

SJCALSBM3 · Senior Member

I have no feeling about this news because it does not concerns Laos to honest with you. This is btwn the Chinese and the Japanese. If this was btwn Thai and Laos then it different.

khonthakek · Guru

he looks like just back from the olympic and got a gold medal.. This guy is chinese Boat captain.

laolamleuak · Senior Member

SJCALSBM3 wrote:

I have no feeling about this news because it does not concerns Laos to honest with you. This is btwn the Chinese and the Japanese. If this was btwn Thai and Laos then it different.

How about if you are a leader of America or of EU on this issue? biggrin

SJCALSBM3 · Senior Member

laolamleuak wrote:

SJCALSBM3 wrote:

I have no feeling about this news because it does not concerns Laos to honest with you. This is btwn the Chinese and the Japanese. If this was btwn Thai and Laos then it different.

How about if you are a leader of America or of EU on this issue?

If I was a leader of any source I would not care much of the issue between the China and Japan, they can handle their own issues they what they want and they can solve their own problems. It's like would you get involve if husband and wife of your neighbor has an agreement?

laolamleuak · Senior Member

SJCALSBM3 wrote:
If I was a leader of any source I would not care much of the issue between the China and Japan, they can handle their own issues they what they want and they can solve their own problems. It's like would you get involve if husband and wife of your neighbor has an agreement?

Now it seems the USA and ASEAN don't think this as husband and wife problem, esp. Vietname and Indonesia or Philipines

BLM2010 · Senior Member

When it comes to territorial disputes whether on the land or in the sea, it becomes complex simply each concerned party has its own legitimate claim according to its own history, but how far back should we justify ownership of a lost territory? This is where U.N draws the line. In case of Diaoyu Island, there are 3 claimants: China, Taiwan and Japan. Prior to World War II, Taiwan was colonized by Japanese for 50 years until it lost the war in the Pacific. Japan returned Taiwan back to China as well as the Islet (Diaoyu). However, the Kuomintang Party was the legitimate government of all China at the time had failed to officially reclaim the Islet and China was in chaos due to a civil war with Communist Mao Zedong. Finally, the United States, in 1972, surrendered possession of Okinawa back to Japan, but asked Japanese government to keep Diaoyu for their mutual defense treaty. It's like returning a home to its owner but keeping ownership of the land.

The Chinese Communist government considers itself as the only legitimate government of all China; that includes Macao, Hong Kong, Tibet, Xingjian and Taiwan. Therefore, it claimed Diaoyu belong to China. However, due to its naval power is still behind that of Japan and South Korea, a recovery of the islet by military force is unlikely to happen anytime soon. A showdown between the PLAN (The People' Liberation Army Navy) and JMSDF (The Japanese Maritime Self-Defense Force) would absolutely mean a defeat for China. After about the next 10 years, I truly believe all bets are off. As we can see, the military expenditure by Chinese has been on the rise. A potential military settlement for the Island of Diaoyu is quite visional.

-- Edited by BLM2010 on Friday 1st of October 2010 05:26:37 PM

Lao Isan · Senior Member

Chinese have nuke.

BLM2010 · Senior Member

Lao Isan wrote:

Chinese have nuke.

Yes, China has Nukes but so what? Japan is under nuclear umbrella of the Unites States so is South Korea and both countries having defense treaty, which means security alliance. A nuclear attack on Japan will trigger mild to massive retaliation from the U.S. Communist China is not ready to commit suicide for a piece of an islet. The Chinese presidents from Mao Zedong to Hu Jin Tao still pledges not to be the first to use nuclear especially against a non-nuclear state. Not that China is Mr. nice guy but China has never been in the position to menace big boys with its N-bombs. It merely had a minimum deterrence in the past until recently a credible deterrence is realized due to its small arsenal. Its older liquid-land-based missile Dong Feng 5 and a modified version Dong Feng 5A are kept in silo. In the event of war, it takes almost 2 hours for preparation before it can launch assuming it can evade detection. U.S can simply pre-empt all its silo bases. The Don Feng 31 and 31A, however, can be in the state of readiness in less than half an hour, but only a handful of those are capable of reaching Hawaii and Alaska killing a few Paula bears at most. Let's say China launches 2 dozen of its ICBMs at the United States, luckily 8 of them got through American ABM defense system. What is the CEP it can achieve to cause considerable damage? Washington can just dispatch its newer version 4-engine B-52s accompany by B-2s, escort by latest version of F-15s and F-22 from Guam, and reach Chinese sky in minutes. They will level off Beijing, Shanghai and any major cities as they wish. I am talking about from air power alone not to mention a strike from sea based and land based MinuteMen (ICBMs). Do you really think China is that stupid to threaten Japan with Nukes?

-- Edited by BLM2010 on Saturday 2nd of October 2010 06:39:39 AM

Lao Isan · Senior Member

BLM2010 wrote:

Lao Isan wrote:

Chinese have nuke.

Yes, China has Nukes but so what? Japan is under nuclear umbrella of the Unites States so is South Korea and both countries having defense treaty, which means security alliance. A nuclear attack on Japan will trigger mild to massive retaliation from the U.S. Communist China is not ready to commit suicide for a piece of an islet.The Chinese presidents from Mao Zedong to Hu Jin Tao still pledges not to be the first to use nuclear especially against a non-nuclear state.Not that China is Mr. nice guy but China has never been in the position to menace big boys with its N-bombs. It merely had a minimum deterrence in the past until recently a credible deterrence is realized due to its small arsenal.Its older liquid-land-based missile Dong Feng 5 and a modified version Dong Feng 5A are kept in silo. In the event of war, it takes almost 2 hours for preparation before it can launch assuming it can evade detection. U.S can simply pre-empt all its silo bases. The Don Feng 31 and 31A, however, can be in the state of readiness in less than half an hour, but only a handful of those are capable of reaching Hawaii and Alaska killing a few Paula bears at most. Let's say China launches 2 dozen of its ICBMs at the United States, luckily 8 of them got through American ABM defense system.What is the CEP it can achieve to cause considerable damage?Washington can just dispatch its newer version 4-engine B-52s accompany by B-2s, escort by latest version of F-15s and F-22 from Guam, and reach Chinese sky in minutes. They will ravel Beijing, Shanghai and any major cities as they wish. I am talking about from air power alone not to mention a strike from sea based and land based MinuteMen (ICBMs).Do you really think China is that stupid to threaten Japan with Nukes?

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YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT POLITICS. SOUND LIKE WW3 SOON. WHAT DO YOU THINK? If China have problem Russia will also help China.

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Saturday 2nd of October 2010 02:29:47 AM

BLM2010 · Senior Member

Lao Isan wrote:

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YOU KNOW A LOT ABOUT POLITICS. SOUND LIKE WW3 SOON. WHAT DO YOU THINK? If China have problem Russia will also help China.

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Saturday 2nd of October 2010 02:29:47 AM

By the way, I meant to say, "They will level off Beijing, Shanghai and any major cities as they wish" not ravel.

Russia will step in if its national security is at stake. It still possesses enough Nukes to deter enemy, but conventionally it is far behind the West. Russia is an injured bear trying to recover from self-inflicted wound.

Bounmy7605210 · Member

China wants to be a big brother in this region or even in the whole continent of Asia...

chiip · Guru

Oh Bounmy, I'm sorry to say that you are not fully right, did you know that chinese leader had once claimed " China was once a greatest country in the world and will become greatest once again " many many countries around the world had been discharged from depts by Chinese government, especially poor countries, for what purpose ? the chinese goods are invading in every corner of the world and in the same time china is depreciating its own currency to easing and enhencing its product for exportation while the US is powerless to encounter this policy which is not against the WTO principle. So let's us wait and see...

chiip · Guru

Deficit of US trade with China : August deficit from July rose at leat 9 % of 46.3 Billion $
far more than economists predicted 44.5 Billion $. The depreciation of the UD dollar didn't help much the US Exportation... Import jumped from 3.9 b to 116.7 b. Currency tension boiled over last annual meeting of the International Monetary Fund but china was dump and didn't hear but ignored it. (15/10/2010)