"Fun Facts"

Khaisone Phomvihane was half Vietnamese(from his father) and was given the name Cai Song Nguyen at birth.

On his deathbed he wrote his mother(Lao) a letter asking for forgiveness.  Forgiveness for what you might ask?  Forgiveness for helping screw over Laos.  He said having a Vietnamese father made him believe the Viets were trustworthy.  He was wrong.  He compared the Viets to a snake wrapped around his body, leaving him unable to move.  He asked future Lao generations to forgive him. 

Khaisones letter to his mother is almost identical to Souphanouvongs interview with the journalists before his passing.  They both regreted believing the Viets and screwing over Laos and asked for forgiveness from future Lao generations.

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There are many copies of Khaisone's letter to his mother around but i don't have a link to it.

Souphanouvong's interview with the Aussie is more well known.  It was printed in an Aussie book/magazine a long time ago.  Their comments were almost identical.  Khaisone said he believed the Viets because his father was Viet.  Souphanouvong said he blinded by the beauty of the Viet woman.  They both passed as unhappy men.

Learning about he past is important because it is what shaped the present. 

Who's talking about the French.  Most Lao could give a rats ass about them.  Why bring them up?

To answers the dumbasses question it was the Vietnamese who let themselves into Laos after 1975.  There are probably over 2 million Vietnamese in Laos at the moment and more move it all the time.

Most of the Vietnamese who worked in Laos during the French colonial period were kicked out and they moved to resettle and start businesses in Nongkhai, Nakhon Phanom, Mukdaharn, Ubol.  That's why you see significant amounts of Viets there.  More came on their own later on. 

Laos has been a colony for a long time.  Before it was the Siamese, French, and now Vietnamese. 

Why is their a Ford dealership in Vientiane?  I thought that wasa  Jakkaput brand no? 

Answer the questions about he fords! lol

There is no doubt the Viets came in to work for the french during the colonial periods.  All i was saying is that after the French left, they(viet) were not given preferential treatment and i lot of them went across the river to Esan and intermarried and became Thais. 

Yes, Lao people in general praise Jao Phetsarath, and a lot his descendents are Lao Nork and are not happy with the current condition Laos is in.  You don't need to give him labels. 

You think Lao Nork don't travel back to Laos and see the situation for themselves?  You think they don't visit Vientiane, Thakek, Savannakhet, Pakse and see all the Vietnamese and the newly arrived Chinese?  People go back to Laos yearly and see things for themselves.  Are you saying the 2 million Viet that mostly came post 1975 don't exist?  I've answered your questions to my best ability, now answer mine.

I'm not french, and i don't praise the french.  Besides those that acutally reside in France, the french do not cross the average Lao person's mind.  Many countries were colonized during the same period and it was either the french or thai and those were the only two choices.  King Ram III had just did a number on Vientiane Lanxang and Nakhon Champasak, if you had not forgetten.  The left side of the Mekong was basically empty when the French came in.  No Lao in their right mind would be proud to be colonized just as it is unfortunate that Lao is still colonized by the Viet today.

Are you part Viet yourself?  I'm just Lao.

Answer my questions please lol.  It's not that hard.  You're probably a Lao Nork yourself. 

No ones talking about Tai blood.  I'm not going that far back.  I'm talking about what we call present day Lao people.  Tai people have always mixed and intermixed since their beginnings just like everyone else.  No one in this world is pure anything.

What do i have to do with Sisavang Vong?  I don't praise him.  I have more respect for someone like Sisavang Vathana(say what you want about him) who was born into a tough situation and undeniable respect for Jao Phetsarath.  The RLG era was not perfect as it was weak coming off of decades of colonization.  I'm no RLG cheerleader.  I'm more concerned about the present and current condition of Laos.

I got the estimated 2 millions Vietnamese number  by looking around and from college students i asked when i was in Vientiane years ago.  I had heard that figure before and asked the students to verify it for me as they live there and would know more than me on that issue.  They said "i would say that's a good estimate".  There's no way to know that exact number but 2 million figure is not preposterous. 

Thailand is in no way perfect and has it's issues but ask yourself this.  Why are Lao people going to Thailand on a daily basis to go work there?  Whether it is to work at Factories, Hotels, Restaurants, or to whore themselves?  It's quite sad to see. Why do a lot of well heeled relatives of Lao officials live and/or study in Thailand?

Why do Lao in Laos look up to the Koreans/Japanese who would not be where they are currently without help from the "jakkaput".  Would you call them colonies?

I'm a proud Lao and i think Lao are capable as anyone else given the opportunity.

Be a man and answer my questions.

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Answer my questions please lol.  It's not that hard.  You're probably a Lao Nork yourself. 

 

No ones talking about Tai blood.  I'm not going that far back.  I'm talking about what we call present day Lao people.  Tai people have always mixed and intermixed since their beginnings just like everyone else.  No one in this world is pure anything.

 

What do i have to do with Sisavang Vong?  I don't praise him.  I have more respect for someone like Sisavang Vathana(say what you want about him) who was born into a tough situation and undeniable respect for Jao Phetsarath.  The RLG era was not perfect as it was weak coming off of decades of colonization.  I'm no RLG cheerleader.  I'm more concerned about the present and current condition of Laos.

 

I got the estimated 2 millions Vietnamese number  by looking around and from college students i asked when i was in Vientiane years ago.  I had heard that figure before and asked the students to verify it for me as they live there and would know more than me on that issue.  They said "i would say that's a good estimate".  There's no way to know that exact number but 2 million figure is not preposterous. 

 

Thailand is in no way perfect and has it's issues but ask yourself this.  Why are Lao people going to Thailand on a daily basis to go work there?  Whether it is to work at Factories, Hotels, Restaurants, or to whore themselves?  It's quite sad to see. Why do a lot of well heeled relatives of Lao officials live and/or study in Thailand?

 

Why do Lao in Laos look up to the Koreans/Japanese who would not be where they are currently without help from the "jakkaput".  Would you call them colonies?

 

I'm a proud Lao and i think Lao are capable as anyone else given the opportunity.

 

Be a man and answer my questions.

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 I could careless about Republic of Samsung or land of the rising idiots. Nobody in Laos bows to outside countries. You got that wrong bro.

Well any country that has had America and the rest of the western world's support for the last 70 years(Siam) is more than likely going to do better then the most bombed nation on the earth. Lao was also hit with heavy sanctions after the war, that is how Americans get back at you when you beat them in war. Same as North Korea, the battle ended as a stalemate so America in response bans all "free" nations from trading with North Korea.

Siam does more harm then good for Lao. Siam introduced Laos to more drugs, prostitution, and violence than ever before. The Lao in Siam are very unhappy with their lives and are treated like garbage. The Isan people who are true residents of Siam ,are poorer than Lao people so it is not like Siam is some kind of moneybank for everyone. You should do more research then just put out your western propaganda.

I will bet a large sum of money that there are not 2 million Vietnamese in Laos now. That is the amount of Vietnamese in USA and they still do not make up a significant number of the population.

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LOL  Wow, you showed a lot about yourself with your last post.  You must not get out much and you must have been to Laos lately or at all. 

 

Most Lao people in Laos are in love with all things Japanese/Korean.  Go into any restaurant in Laos that plays music and all you'll hear is Korean and Western pop music with a little bit of Thai music here and there.  It's quite unfortunate.

 

No one is praising the Siamese.  Did i not say it's quite sad that the Lao folks go work in Thailand?  I as a Lao find it quite embarrassing actually.  I compare it to not being able to feed your kids and your kids going over to the next door neighbors to ask for leftovers.

 

What do you know about people from Isan besides what you read fellow Lao Nork?  I travel to Southeast Asia all the time and am around these people regularly.  You think people in Isan would trade places with those in Laos?  Why do you think the well heeled relatives of Lao officials have dual citizenship with Thailand?  It's all quite a shame. 

 

I could really care less what the actual number of Vietnamese is and i know you wouldn't bet me squat.  There's no way of counting and all i know is that there is a lot.  You've been to Savannakhat and Thakek during tet?  Who's are those pesky kids going around stealing water buffaloes and everyone's pots/pans?  I can tell you they're not Lao.

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Go ahead and call me a liar about the Vietnamese.  I could care less because i'm actually in Laos and Southeast Asia all the time for work and to visit family.  I know the Vietnamese situation well enough. 

Most of the stuff you know about Esan is probably from reading huh?  Spend a couple months in Thailand dealing with these people on a day to day basis and then come talk to me about Esan or it's people.

The thing you don't understand is the "Party" loves Thai TV themselves.  Go into any of their offices and all they watch is Thai TV.  They're not as political as you are.  These days they're purely financial and have been for quite some time. 

The reason they don't want Lao Nork to flock back to Laos is because they don't want Lao Nork to get in the way of their money making.  It's not about ideology, it's about crooks not wanting people to get in their way.  Look what happened to Sombath Somphone.  The only thing he did wrong was care too much about the well being of the common folk.

It's all about responsibility.  The current LPDR leaders take no responsibility for anything.  They only help out their own families and extended families.  It becomes very hard to live in Laos when food prices go up and you can't afford the basic necessities.  That's one of the main reasons Lao people go to Thailand.  The other is of course material.  When they see all the Lao officials in their german luxury cars and ferragamo bags, the common folk want to emulate that life.

What is really disgusting is how they talk about all this development but there is not one hospital in Laos with proper facilities and well trained staff.  Many foreign doctors refuse to work in Laos because of the horrid conditions of their hospitals.  It's no wonder the LPDR bastards take frequent trips to Udon Thani and Khon Kaen for their medical needs. 

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Go ahead and call me a liar about the Vietnamese.  I could care less because i'm actually in Laos and Southeast Asia all the time for work and to visit family.  I know the Vietnamese situation well enough. 

 

Most of the stuff you know about Esan is probably from reading huh?  Spend a couple months in Thailand dealing with these people on a day to day basis and then come talk to me about Esan or it's people.

 

The thing you don't understand is the "Party" loves Thai TV themselves.  Go into any of their offices and all they watch is Thai TV.  They're not as political as you are.  These days they're purely financial and have been for quite some time. 

 

The reason they don't want Lao Nork to flock back to Laos is because they don't want Lao Nork to get in the way of their money making.  It's not about ideology, it's about crooks not wanting people to get in their way.  Look what happened to Sombath Somphone.  The only thing he did wrong was care too much about the well being of the common folk.

 

It's all about responsibility.  The current LPDR leaders take no responsibility for anything.  They only help out their own families and extended families.  It becomes very hard to live in Laos when food prices go up and you can't afford the basic necessities.  That's one of the main reasons Lao people go to Thailand.  The other is of course material.  When they see all the Lao officials in their german luxury cars and ferragamo bags, the common folk want to emulate that life.

 

What is really disgusting is how they talk about all this development but there is not one hospital in Laos with proper facilities and well trained staff.  Many foreign doctors refuse to work in Laos because of the horrid conditions of their hospitals.  It's no wonder the LPDR bastards take frequent trips to Udon Thani and Khon Kaen for their medical needs. 

 

 

 

 

 

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So first of all you are trying to put Lao PDR on the same level as what nations then? Remember the USA 'mis'informed to any of the "intellectual" Lao that all the intellectuals would be rounded up and killed. So again the USA lost in the war but made up for it in false propaganda hurting Laos by taking away any of its "educated". Second the USA slapped huge trade sanctions on any revolutionary or socialist nations pretty much banning all countries with better technology from talking to Laos. So the lesson is if you don't tow the line "Be a US puppet" you wont be a successful nation. The only reason these countries (europe+USA) had access to more modern medicine is because they had the money to spend from plundering and murdering other nations for years and years.

When you complain about Lao not advancing you are basically saying the people are stupid. I hope you know that. People aren't smart because of their political system or their dealing with the outside world. Did the white man also invent scientific study and math too? Nations can only advance when they are butt buddies with the white nations?

I am sure Lao pdr could be as good as Siam today if they had stolen and invaded from all their neighbouring countries. Just go look at all the Imperialist nations USA Europe Japan Germany they are all successful because of their riches accumulated from invading others and from the exploitation of the poor. Then you look at South Korea Siam Japan as well, these are nations that benefited from their imperialist father (USA). The USA poured billions of dolllars (free loans) into South Korea at the cost of it's sovereignity and independence and it still didn't reach success until the late 90's.

wah wah about sombat how about we cry for the 50,000 innocent Lao that died by American hands in the war of freedom. Then the subsequent 10,000 since then. Yep USA doesn't say much about that do they? No of course not but they will make outcry about their CIA buddy. Face it the CIA has these cronies all over nations they are trying to take over so that they can have their mineral wealth. The CIA is in China causing riots in xinjiang and Tibet. The CIA was hiring people to overthrow Gaddafi. That is the line nowadays if you don't bow to the white man in USA they will overthrow your nation regardless if it is good or bad and call it "freedom".

Oh of course I forgot reading is bad LOL any source I read is wrong but your easily made up sources are true? There is no way to prove anyhting you say unless it is recorded and documented. It is called hearsay in court. I don't want to live in Siam it is a dirty nasty Ameroeurop wasteland.

aw whitey doesn't want to work in our hospital wah so sad. so? If you are a real doctor you are a doctor because you want to help the people not because the hospital is rich or you get paid alot. That is a westerner mindset, become a doctor to be rich not because they want to help people.

Sure you know it  Funny you tow the same line as other lao nork with the same 2 million vietnamese in Laos when they haven't been to Lao since 1970s :))

I am around older pathet lao compatriots and share same revolutionary zeal as them. I look at the reality not just what people in USA say about Laos. It is easy to be in USA and keep making up lies about Lao PDR and act if their own generation was the most perfect that ever existed. What was immature? Everything is real truth that people dont want to look at. People are obsessed by just examining things through western viewpoints, judging success on western ideals. I am 23 by the way.

I take pride our soldiers risked their life against a much more advanced army for freedom and revolution. Love to go to the new musuems opened and look at the old photos of comrades that risked it all for independence and freedom.

Plus in case you didn't know, most country politicians care less about their constituents anyway. They have lots of money drive fancy cars secure bribes way bigger than any lao politician could dream.

and for the record I was not the one who started fighting. Again it was lao usa who started ranting about how Vietnamese are running Laos when someone asked about traveling to xieng khouang... so you can tell lao nork just wnat to character assassinate anyone on this forum even if for just being Vietnamese, which is racist.

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It was actually you who started the bull****.  Were these not your words.  "hey ass munch".  I could tell you're young. 

 

I could also tell you've never been to Laos or had any contacts with Esan people that you talk about.

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 I live in vientiane  and no I don't talk to esan people because I do not want to.

plus it is obvious you cannot read, the name lao professor said this to the post, enlighten me please how that has anything to do with someone asking about travel to xieng khoang? No instead it is a post with something hateful and not even constructive. The guy was asking how to travel to see plain of jars not a biased hearsay history lesson about vietnamese... This lao professor troll wouldn't have even said that if the poster wasn't vietnamese, so he is basically being a racist.

"Fun Facts"

Khaisone Phomvihane was half Vietnamese(from his father) and was given the name Cai Song Nguyen at birth.

On his deathbed he wrote his mother(Lao) a letter asking for forgiveness. Forgiveness for what you might ask? Forgiveness for helping screw over Laos. He said having a Vietnamese father made him believe the Viets were trustworthy. He was wrong. He compared the Viets to a snake wrapped around his body, leaving him unable to move. He asked future Lao generations to forgive him.

Khaisones letter to his mother is almost identical to Souphanouvongs interview with the journalists before his passing. They both regreted believing the Viets and screwing over Laos and asked for forgiveness from future Lao generations.

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I read that post and it's true.  The original poster also mentioned Khaisone Phomvihane.

 

For "claiming" to live in Vientiane you sure didn't know the majority of Lao youth and even a lot of elders look up to all things Korean/Japanese.  I don't even like Korean/Japanese pop culture but it's what Lao in Laos like.

 

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 yea but there was no need to act racist. You are pretending to act like the guy was really trying to talk nicely to the OP.... so that is why I continue to respond with the same sarcasm to Lao professor and whoever else wants to be negative like always.

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Of course there was sarcasm.  It's all true though.

 

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 What I say is true as well... I bring facts you two bring hearsay and opinion of a small clade of Lao people that were brainwashed to run away and live in a foreigners land. Compare who has killed more Lao people PathetLao/LPRP or the USA? that would be US. Numbers show 75,000 Lao civillians died due to the USA where are the numbers for what the LPRP did?

Who bankrupted the RLG after free elections didn't go the way USA wanted? USA

Who turned vientiane into a slum with prostitution rampant drug overdoses and white people pushing people , where Lao people all over were shocked and appalled how bad their capital had become? USA

Numbers from professional agencies(white people scholars linguists etc) show 40,000 to 90,000 Viets live in Laos. The hearsay and crazed opinion is 2 million often propagated by Lao norks.

Who allowed the French in not once but twice? royalty of Laos Then the same group allowed another western nation (USA) to run their country making them puppets.

Who was actually on battlefields fighting for independence and freedom? Kaysone  Souphanavong and the rest of the Pathet Lao. Who was sitting in luxury commanding brainwashed soldiers? RLG generals and royalty. Souphanovong nearly died after being shot by French airforce . Would you continue your fight if you nearly died and could die any day? I don't think so. If that was the case all those loyal RLG people wouldn't have left and started a civil war to the death for "free" Laos. You do not give enough credit to the revolutionaries who gave their life for free laos. Nobody paid them huge amounts like the RLG soldiers made. Nobody guaranteed their lives would be easyafter winning the war. What side would you pick? the world bully and richest country (USA)? or a fledging north vietnam government and its allies? The people who wanted money(rlg and the current day lao norks) sided with USA which is the obvious choice. The people who truly saw that Lao was merely a puppet to the west chose Pathet Lao to free Laos.

What force was made up mostly of true lao people (indigenous lao theung) and the most mistreated? Pathet Lao. They were the first group of people to reach out to what the royals and other Lao thought of as dirty unclean and uncivilized people.

History shows to me who is the real sellout. It is the Royalty of Laos selling Laos to the highest bidder and whoever could keep them seated in their palaces comfortably while the rest of their countrymen (90% farming society) worked in the fields.

Yet all we hear is the fantasy dream of Royal Lao supporters that oh Laos today would be a great power and prosperous country if not for the big bad Vietnamese. On what grounds? Show me any other small nation like Laos with 6 million people that is on level of western nations..

Lao norks even make fun of Lao people still living traditional lifestyles(socialist or not) so when they make fun of the economic of Lao they make fun of their ancestor lifestyle. What they really want is for Lao to drop traditional substinence farming life and integrate into the west. How is that maintaining Lao identity? To be like the rest of the world. Who dictate what is successful and what is good in the world? To lao nork it is the white man.

So compare the hearsay (you guys) to my factual evidence.

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All this and yet the well heeled Lao leaders send their children to send their children to study in Jakkaputland. 

You have to remember that after 1827-28 Laos was not a country.  It was called Hua Muang Lao by the Siamese.The RLG period was filled with mistakes but that era was short and is over.  Most Lao Norks were just regular everyday people and had little to do with Lao politics.  They left Laos with tears in their eyes.

You talk about people making fun of traditional lifestyles but i don't.  I've actually stayed in traditional homes before for long periods of time.  Lao people in general make fun of poor people.  Look at the people in Vientiane who make fun of people from other provinces and the countryside.  It's all unfortunate, but it is what it is.  That's life.

You ever been to the LPDR leader's homes?  Most of them "try" to behave like that fake people in Lakorns.  You don't understand that they're not political anymore.  That's just their front.  They're purely financial.

I don't care if the Lao leaders are LPDR or RLG or other.  As long as they put in an honest effort and love their people.  Which is not the case nowadays.  We're talking about current times here.  Back around 03-04 there were still Lao families eating rice and soy sauce.  Nowadays people eat better because a lot of the young folks are working/whoring in Thailand.  It's sad to see and i say it's an embarrassment especially since Thais enjoy putting Lao people down so much.

If you want to know the real number of Viet in Laos just ask different people in Thakek and Savannakhet provinces who should know more than most.  Since you "claim" to live in Laos, it's shouldn't be hard for you.  I don't live in Laos but i spend 1/3 of my time there and it will always be my home.

Most of the **** you say is **** you read.  You believe everything you read?  The stuff i say is from experience. 

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They left Laos because they were tricked by the wrong side. They could have easily picked and backed the Pathet Lao but who instilled that racist lying propaganda in them that still is present today? The USA did.

Nobody has yet to tell me why someone (Souphanovong) in the royal family (regardless of position) would give up their comfortable lifestyle(better than 90% of rural Lao farmers) to go basically from 0 and fight alongside the commoners his family ruled over for years. No Lao nork has ever been able to explain to me why.

All politicians worldwide basically live a rung or two above their people. They all have perks, more money, more etc you are lying if you say it is not the case. I would not do that because I feel we should all have the same as a good socialist would feel.

I don't travel to those places so yea maybe you are right I "don't know" the truth. Just because you claim by word of mouth that one ethnicity outnumbers another is still not good evidence. Does that mean that places in the southwest united states are more Mexican then White? Because they have more Mexican people then Whites? What difference does it make? If Vietnam wanted to send 20 million vietnamese into Laos today they could at anytime, they could make Laos a new province of Vietnam at any second (ask Cambodia). If it is really 2 million Vietnamese (doubt it sincerely) Laos is still probably 4 million Lao ethnic and the rest other ethnics. Instead of complaining and whining about Viets taking over Laos, maybe a Lao nork can actually travel to Lao and put forth the effort to get a real count on the Vietnamese there? No wonder why our ethnic people are sad all the time because Lao are being racist especially Lao nork.

Yet still the vietnamese who enter Laos still have to learn Lao and live the culture. Go to any Viet owned restaurant in Vientiane and you can tell they are viet they speak Lao with an accent but still attempt to speak the language. Lao norks in USA don't even try to learn English yet they wanted to run away there.

 I'm not going to tell you who or what current position they have, but we always have great discussions about the revolution and socialist advances in history. I believe Laos can advance the same route as China with a policy similar to Socialism with Chinese Characteristics. A socialist market economy the state controls the econ.

What is the measure point of success in Lao then? Would a non socialist or a western based democracy mean success in Laos? Lao society has been based on substinance farming for its  entire existence. For all the bad you place on Lao PDR it has changed its substinance farming society to only  67% which is a pretty big improvement from 90% substinance farming back in the 1950s. It has done exceptionally well despite sanctions and being the most bombed nation on earth. Who was there to rebuild Laos ? South Korea and Japan had the USA provide them with huge loans and minimal payments.

Believe me I don't believe the leaders of Lao PDR are without fault. I do think the revolution did really keep Lao sovereignity and kept Lao culture and pride alive. It gave new opportunities to many poorer Lao and Lao ethnics to become part of society and successful. 

Give Lao PDR time to advance. Most nations have had 50+ years of time to develop a strong economy 1975-2013 is 38 years.

They left Laos and many of them didn't make it across the river because they were being chased with AKs.  Hmm...i wonder by who??  One of my friend's dad died right on the banks of the mekong as did many others.  His guts were hanging out as he was running.

You were already told by Lao professor.  He was tricked by the beauty of a Vietnamese woman.  Even in his own diary(not the interview Lao professor was talking about) he sad he had made a mistake because he himself had a hard time finding anything to eat.  He said the Viets immediately took over everything because they were better educated than the Pathet Lao.  Those were his words.  The Pathet Lao even went into the Soon Seminar and brought back a bunch of RLG officials to work in their offices because they were educated.  All of this was done under the watchful eye of the VIets.  Before Souphanouvong dided he left a message for Lao Nork and future Lao generations.  You should ask your father about that.

There, it has been explained to you.  Secondly they all thought the Viets would go home after 75 as was agreed upon previously between Pathet Lao and Viet.  Which they Viet did not go home.

Don't even talk about Cambodia.  Hun Sen, the Viet puppet, is shaking in his gucci hoes right now because the Khmer people have had it with him and his Viet buddies.  It will surely have some affect on the minds of the LPDR officials.

The US like Canada or Argentina, are new countries.  They are the land of immigrants.  Not like Laos which is an old country that is small.  Lao do outnumber Viet in Laos but that's not the point.  The point is they're not wanted by the Lao in Laos themselves.  Just like the Viets are not wanted by the Khmers.  Even a lot of Viet in Laos pretend to be fully Lao and make fun of other Viets.

The Viets learn Laos because its a necessity for them to do business.  If they had to learn Swahili to do business they would.  It's only the older Lao folks who had a hard time learning english because they did not want to leave Laos in the first place and are refugees, not immigrants.  Look at the Koreans, who come to the US with loads of money "as immigrants" to start businesses and still don't speak English well at all. 

I respect the 5 Pathet Lao leaders who swore with holy water at Wat Sisaket that they would not turn their backs on the Lao people.  None of them lived long after 75 because they stood up to the Viets.  I know for sure one of them died on a vietnamese prison.

You're a Lao Nork yourself and the people you talk to are your dad and maybe grandpa and their buddies. I replied to every thing you said because i have answers for em.

Cambodia is changing with people like Khem Sokha/Sam Rainsy and Laos will soon do a 180 as well.  It was prophesized by Lao ancestors that the Viets will leave Laos when Rama IX(present Thai King) passes. 

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They left Laos and many of them didn't make it across the river because they were being chased with AKs.  Hmm...i wonder by who??  One of my friend's dad died right on the banks of the mekong as did many others.  His guts were hanging out as he was running.

You were already told by Lao professor.  He was tricked by the beauty of a Vietnamese woman.  Even in his own diary(not the interview Lao professor was talking about) he sad he had made a mistake because he himself had a hard time finding anything to eat.  He said the Viets immediately took over everything because they were better educated than the Pathet Lao.  Those were his words.  The Pathet Lao even went into the Soon Seminar and brought back a bunch of RLG officials to work in their offices because they were educated.  All of this was done under the watchful eye of the VIets.  Before Souphanouvong dided he left a message for Lao Nork and future Lao generations.  You should ask your father about that.

There, it has been explained to you.  Secondly they all thought the Viets would go home after 75 as was agreed upon previously between Pathet Lao and Viet.  Which they Viet did not go home.

Don't even talk about Cambodia.  Hun Sen, the Viet puppet, is shaking in his gucci hoes right now because the Khmer people have had it with him and his Viet buddies.  It will surely have some affect on the minds of the LPDR officials.

The US like Canada or Argentina, are new countries.  They are the land of immigrants.  Not like Laos which is an old country that is small.  Lao do outnumber Viet in Laos but that's not the point.  The point is they're not wanted by the Lao in Laos themselves.  Just like the Viets are not wanted by the Khmers.  Even a lot of Viet in Laos pretend to be fully Lao and make fun of other Viets.

The Viets learn Laos because its a necessity for them to do business.  If they had to learn Swahili to do business they would.  It's only the older Lao folks who had a hard time learning english because they did not want to leave Laos in the first place and are refugees, not immigrants.  Look at the Koreans, who come to the US with loads of money "as immigrants" to start businesses and still don't speak English well at all. 

I respect the 5 Pathet Lao leaders who swore with holy water at Wat Sisaket that they would not turn their backs on the Lao people.  None of them lived long after 75 because they stood up to the Viets.  I know for sure one of them died on a vietnamese prison.

You're a Lao Nork yourself and the people you talk to are your dad and maybe grandpa and their buddies. I replied to every thing you said because i have answers for em.

Cambodia is changing with people like Khem Sokha/Sam Rainsy and Laos will soon do a 180 as well.  It was prophesized by Lao ancestors that the Viets will leave Laos when Rama IX(present Thai King) passes. 

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 Nobody forced the educated to leave Laos. It was hearsay they got from other countries wiping out all their intellectuals and then applying it to a "future" that would happen to them. Plus if they were on the losing side then well sorry its tough. Don't try to sit there and tell me an American backed gov win over the Pathet Lao would have led to peaceful unification. I won't believe that for a second. All those "leftists" "commies" and "traitors" would have been thrown in prison or killed. Just ask the many Western backed raging anti leftist governments the USA propped up. ex Argentina South Korea Siam the contras and so on. Remember the USA had no problem with killing 75.000  innocent Lao with indiscriminate bombing so what problem would they have killing the remaining pathet lao.

Please show me the diaries letters or whatever etc. I can say anything even that members of the RLG hated the Americans. Can you disprove me?

55 I didn't know it was hard to learn English when you are a refugee. When you come peacefully to a country it is somehow easier to learn English? would like to see the stats of that. It is just a show of arrogance to not learn the language of the country you are trying to go to. People with money are arrogant.

Lao people hate on themselves anyway. We are a mixed country, yet Lao theung are constantly put down as barbaric savage dark backwards. lot of us are lao theung predominant blood but we make fun of our ownselves. Hating on Vietnamese for doing jobs lao people dont want to do does not solve anything. It is the same type of ignorance that whites in the usa do when they yell and scream at mexican migrants doing work they won't do. Even though they learn LAo you still have an excuse to be against them? Pretty racist if you ask me.

I brought up Cambodia because that is a real example of Viet overdominance. There are a real amount of them there 600,000 and much bigger than the amount in Laos. I mean honestly Vietnam could just overrun LAo right now and who would stop it? They could literally march right in and govern things on a real level. What is the point to "pretend" to govern a country of 6 million where 2 million are already Viet. You guys act like it is such a huge conspiracy. Vietnam could have annexed Lao any minute after 1975 . Believe me I dont love Vietnam like some brainwash person but that is the truth. I hate vietnam trying to recreate another indochina like France did.

What I can tell you about the Viet is that at least they were among the first in greater indochina to rebel against the colonialists. North Vietnam was the first country to announce indepedence from French Indochina and Ho Chi Minh gave the declaration of independence based upon the American one. The west had no plan of letting Indochina (Lao khmer viets) of governing themselves. They wanted to keep the whole area a puppet region to oppose China.

About your fairy tale history lessons, the past kingdoms of Lao have asked the viet kingdoms for help against Siam. Again I am not some Viet worshipper but Lao kingdoms have asked all the surrounding nations for help at one point...

been to muang saysettha attapu hometown , been to dakjung, xiengkhouang, and luang phabang.

Because if you (saying anti lao pdr people in general) want to tear down others hearsay evidence never works. It never works in court and it never works in history. In history we call that a legend or myth.

Sure I know about the trail, but that gives rights to bomb civillians without discretion? Did you not know the American pilots would often just dump bombs on Laos wherever just to get rid of payload on the way back to Siam? You act like white people really cared about "liberation" of Laos Viet and Cambodia  They could care less. Half of them were forced to serve there and half just loved killing all the "gooks" "chinks" they could. A racist nation like the USA leading the charge for "freedom" in southeast asia I love the irony. A country where minorities had to use separate restrooms yet they were fighting for others freedom. Just love the irony dont you?

The most sophisticated army in the world had to restort to bombing other countries to stop the flow of supplies and soldiers? You are also telling me they didn't receive numbers on how ineffective the bombing runs were? It went on from 1964 to 1973 man... Believe what you want but I am not brainwashed to act like great usa cared about us so much.

About the English thing if they wanted to run away to another country they should at least learn the language. thats all I said.

Knowing that we were not at war with Laos, the most troubling part of this data set is realizing the incredible monetary expense of the operation. 17 million dollars per day.

17 million a day?(well 2 million in 60s and 70s dollars) Nice Wow sure did benefit Lao didn't it? You should ask yourself what was America's true goal for Indochina and really think about it. Why would America spend so much money on bombing killing people that they cared nothing about. It was all about resources, the imperialist nature of white people need as many puppet nations as they can get a hold of . All of that money could have gone into propping up the Royal lao government and building up a country, just allowing vietnam to be unified (which they should have in the first place) >> USA backed president diem in disallowing national elections to take place in which ho chi minh would have won. I think that is 1957 maybe? have to check it.

All of this nonsense about "freedom" and anti communists is just bull$hit for commoners and people with low iq. They combined that with scaring people that vietnam was taking over Laos.  I am very sure Vietnam would have agreed to hands off Laos if the USA would have just allowed Vietnam to unify way sooner. But nope. You can blame world policeman for dragging Laos into war.

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waoh !  long debates on plain of jars. but it was very interesting I must say, different thinking, different mentalities and different political views; may I have an opinion about politic and politicians ? politic : gather as much as possible people to be on your side. politicians jobs : painting themselves as venerable persons, as noble persons that everyone can trust and performing interesting speeches that praise their followers as incredible smart people including their own party and at the same time ready to lie as long as opportunities offer. I hate politicians from head to toes, they are all liars... ເຊັງ !!! so, bonsoir et potez-vous bien cher amis !!!