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SiengKhene wrote:

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200 years ago the Lao ancestors wrote and rewrote prophecies(ThamNai) of what the future of Lao would look like.  This current period is what the ancestors called Samai Jone Ha Loi(era pf 500 bad guys).  It will end and Lao will begin to prosper after Rama IX passes.

 

 

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 Either R9 pass away or not, had nothing to do with Laos. Why LAOS have to wait for something to happen ? We, as lao people need to move away from the past or otherwise we wouldn't never go nowhere because we stuck in the past.

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It has everything to do with Laos.  Currently and for the foreseeable future Laos and Thailand are economically joined at the hip.

Current Lao issues all have roots in the past.  If you do not understand the past thoroughly you won't know how to solve present issues. 

Thamnai is about the future and there is a lot of optimism for Laos' future.  I don't know why having belief in the ancestors' wisdom is being stuck in the past.

STFU and stop putting words in people's mouths. Why would anyone want Laos to be a Thailand? Who laughs at my thinking?  It's the Lao officials themselves that want Laos to be more like Thailand.  They watch Thai TV all day in their offices.  Event the Thai news mentioned it the other day that Lao officials gave praise to the Thai talk show hosts on a trip to Vientiane. 

If you really lived in Laos, which you don't, you would know that Lao people consume all things Thai and enjoy it.  Heck a lot of Lao people work in Thailand and the rich Lao live in BKK condos for most of the year.  Most youngsters in Vientaine speak a mix of Lao, Thai slang, and English.  You don't know ****, just like you didn't know about Lao in Laos infactuation with all things Korean.

What's your viewpoint?  Do you think the belief of my ancestors and many Lao of today is stupid and backward? 

lol You really don't live in Laos.  I don't even have to read your posts.

Meshika wrote:

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SiengKhene wrote:

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lol You really don't live in Laos.  I don't even have to read your posts.

 

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 You obviously don't either... Never once have I ever seen what you explain. Maybe I don't hang around underage girls like you to know they love or dont love

 

You still didn't adress me. You complain about Lao being backward yet you keep believing  in some old prophecies? West will look at you and laugh. You and them want european culture values enforced on every nation in the world. That is how you measure success. Lao is not Siam Lao is not South Korea, Lao is not usa, Lao has traditions and values that have been kept and sustained by the LPRP. Lao America want Laos to be some kind of super power in the world with a population of 6 million. All they do day and night is bash LPRP and for what? Lao people love traditional lifestyles. What would capitalists do? Force Lao farmers to abandon their hundreds year old trades and be like a white person? Because it means advancement and prosperity? You should make up your mind. Do you want Lao to completely abandon tradition? Then that means moving everyone away from traditional lifestyles to th city to do regular city jobs everyone else does. Yet you still cling to age old prophecies  talk about clash of values.

Im telling you what my girlfriend and I do. If you have a problem with it then fine. I guess if you group every single Lao person together as bowing down to Siam and using their products that is another story. I am not stupid and of course I eat Siam foods, shop at mpoint, go to itecc, use siam products but it doesn't mean that I love them. I hate to use Baht for anything and hate that people are not watching lao tv as much as the stupid siam channel. I turn off the tv or change channel when they play the siam anthem on modernine. I hate Siam. Kpop stars look so weak and gay like siam ladyboys.

Americans use Chinese products all the time, but do not adore or bow down to China. Lao people use Siam products all the time but don't bow down or adore Siam. Get your head straight. Your whole angle is propaganda and trying to get Lao to be just like Siam, a slave and puppet to the West. Go back to USA and cry with your sad ancestor who cowardly ran from Lao. hookee

keep avoiding me go ahead my purpose is to expose you for the patikan you are.

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 Meshika.. you are a real genius person! Lao pride!!!

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Keep talking to yourself buddy. You seem to enjoy putting words in my mouth.

Go complain about kpop to the 95 percent of youth in Vieng.  I've already said i don't like kpop like "they" do. 

I never claimed to live in Laos.  I say i visit and work in Southeast Asia for a good amount of the year. 

I've already answered a bunch of your questions in the other thread.  You're just yapping a bunch of nonsense and putting words in my mouth i didn't say. 

You talk about traditional lifestyle but yet you yourself are using a computer and speaking english.  Calm down buddy.

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 People only like things because it makes them think they are part of the rich world or popular world. Lao theung tribe don't even care about Kpop music because they never have heard it. Lao loum people in villages don't care it either and would love the sound of khene over kpop.

It sounds to me like you don't like how Lao is becoming more westernized or following other cultures more. Well I don't like it that much either.. According to most Lao norks in USA they want Laos to be more like the west. They complained all the time Lao was closed off until the 1990s. Now it is inevitable that Laos will lose its culture as more westernization takes place.

Taken from different bloggers and writers.

"The Vietnamese plant the rice, the Cambodians watch it grow, and the Lao listen to it grow."

Westerners and other outsiders have different ways of viewing these two very different people. Some say that the Lao are lazy while the Vietnamese are industrious; others say that the Lao are content with what they have while the Vietnamese are workaholics. It all depends on how you view it.

It doesn't mean Lao people are lazy or stupid, it means taking a different viewpoint on life. Outsiders along with Lao nork take it as a negative.

I don't think learning English or using a pc is bad either. I think there is a line to draw on what is Lao traditional lifestyle and modernity. Lao PDR now has a good balance of tradition and outside influence. I am very sure if the USA won the war, there wouldn't be such a fine balance.

For those who are interested i found this Traditional Morlam that mentions ThamNai(prophecies).  There's a part at 3:21 that mentions some.

Lao Prophecies can also be tied to the promise Siam made when they took Phra Keo from Vientiane to Bangkok.

No matter how hard Siam tried to move Phra Keo from Vientiane he would not move.  It wasn't until some Lao holy men had the Siamese agree to a list of promises that Siam would return Phra Keo one day or else Thailand will have bad luck.  So far Phra Keo has not been returned and Siam has not lived up to their promises. 

Luang Poo Koun, the famous Thai monk, has had many visions of the future of Thailand.  He has told the Siamese many times to return not just Phra Keo but all of the stuff Siam took from Laos in the 1800's.  Rama IX himself was said to agree to the return of Phra Keo but his son said no. 

Anyway, Lao is supposed enter into an era of prosperity when Phra Keo is returned to Lao.  That is the belief of the Lao ancestors and many Lao(in Laos and Esan) of today.

There was a paper going around Laos about the promise made by Thailand when they took Phra Keo.  All the Lao PDR officials were faxing/emailing it to each other.  A lot of them are highly superstitious. 

Little do they know Phra Keo's return coincides with the end to their run.  But i'm sure some of them do know this.  A lot of them would probably welcome it.

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Anonymous wrote:

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For those who are interested i found this Traditional Morlam that mentions ThamNai(prophecies).  There's a part at 3:21 that mentions some.

 

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 @3:21

luang thor luang dai jup muu gun laew gaew see kun saigon

VERY interesting line.

In Laos people don't use the word "gaew", in Cambodian they don't use the word "yuon".  Two words that have been used for hundreds of years.  They have to be called "vietnam".  That just shows the power vietnam flexes on Laos and Cambodia.  That will change though.

 

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"Lao see kup prathet barn kun larn noi nung muang"= Lao will return home and there will be a young King.  The person who wrote the Morlum must have read or have some old Lao Palm Leaf Manuscripts.  In Thailand there are whole books written about Lao Thamnai.  Some Thai temples were giving them away a couple of years ago. 

The Lao Thamnai mention that Laos will be a monarchy again in the future.  The Khmer Thamnai also mention 2 Lao Princes that will help Khmer become prosperous.

All this happens once RAMA IX passes.  It's well known by most Thais that he was told over and over by his fortune tellers that he will be the last RAMA of the Chakri Lineage.

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The Thais can be a ****y bunch though.  Many of them believe Thailand will always be the top economy in Mainland Southeast Asia.  But according to both Lao and Khmer Thamnai Thailand will have to rely on Lao and Khmer in the future to feed herself.  She will screw herself over so badly, she will be the beggar.

 

 

 

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 Arrogant bunch*

I don't know if it has anything to do with Thumnai but That Dum broke a while back.  People in Vientiane were saying it was a bad omen for Laos.

It's also the curse of Sikhotabong. 

It's not over yet.

Right now no one from Thailand calls themselves Lao besides some of the Lao Long in Central Thailand and a portion of the Esan people.

In the future everyone in Thailand will try to say they're Lao.  Central, North, Northeast, everyone.  Right now the word Lao has been long used as a diss word in Thailand.  But it has been almost exclusively used towards the Thais of the Northeast.  A "portion" of the North(Northern Thailand is made up of a lot of Tai groups) once called themselves Lao too 400-500 years ago.  But that was a long time ago and they've never been subject to being called Lao in a disrespectful way.  Lanna as a kingdom didn't share the same fate as Lanxang by Bangkok and they've always been relatively prosperous and never really stood up to Bangkok like Lanxang did. 

Even though a lot of Esan don't like being called Lao at least a good portion of them proudly call themselves Lao. 

When Rama 9 is gone, everyone in Thailand(not just Esan) will want to be Laos.  They will all claim Lao ancestry.  Even the ones that have dissed Lao people all of their lives.  It's hard to imagine but it is what it is.

Bangkok hang bpen pone kee mah jok

In order to understand the Lao prophecies you have to understand the history of Lanxang and it's neighbors.  The prophecies talk of Laos more as Lanxang(right and left side of Mekong) than just Laos itself.

A more well known verse is "Non nai tong see gub gerd bpen non".  This is happening right now in Laos as they're backstabbing themselves left and right.  The Xieng Khouang incident, 4-5 more of them that passed in a months span in Vientiane, and the chounmaly incident"S".

Oh can't forget that boy Sanyahuk.  He was trying to screw others over and got screwed himself.

Exactly as prophesied 200 years ago and again in the 80's in Thailand.

There was a Buddhist Monk from Laos who wrote a whole book on this stuff.  I'm not sure if it was published in Laos but the Thais did.  Many Thais(from peaseant farmers to Chula Professors) believe in the prophecies even though it said Thailand would changed drastically. 

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This coming from a guy who has no respect for Lao traditions or culture.

The officials in VTE were the ones circulating the Phra Keo prophecies during all their meetings in 2011.

A lot of them believe just as strongly in it as any other Lao.  Especially now that a lot of it has come true.

Japan, Singapore,Taiwan, and HK are some of the most advanced places in Asia and they still respect the old ways.  

Lao people are highly superstitious and i'm suprised someone claiming to be from Laos does not know this.  Why is believing in prophecies only supposed to be exclusive to Lao Noks?  When it's the officials in Vientiane who are the ones printing it out and they're always sure to leave out the part about Vietnam.

In Northeast Thailand the prophecies are more detailed and we know how Laos' future will play out because it already got Laos' past right. 

From North to South, Lao people have Tumnai/Thumla.  The words are different but the details are the same.

You can look down on Lao beliefs all you want. 

The officials in Vieng were the ones sharing a version the prophecies amongst themselves just 3 years ago.  If you don't like it, say something to them. 

Do most of the Lao PDR leaders not attend and participate in Buddhist ceremonies?  Enough said.

He's either a troll or really really delusional.  But that's how you can get when you have no friends and nothing in common with Lao people.

If you understand Buddhist language/years the Morlum lady said some other things about Vietnam.  Pretty funny!