It would not be good, if I posted the article but I do not read. Thank you very much all of you for taking your time to read and post your comments. I really appreciate your contribution. I must accept that in the article that I had posted there were lots of mistakes, I knew them after posting, because my eyesight is not good and my English is poor. No wonder people in America want to teach us with English American standard. It would be great if you can do. Lao people would welcome the move. I also accept that they know English well and better than me. It might be perhaps my background was not good. I learnt French language in school. After that, I had studied in Russia or former Soviet Union. I know Russian quite well because I had studied there for about 10 years. I have started learning English just before I came to Singapore. That’s a reason I am a poor English person compared to my daughter who is belonging to new Lao generation, she knows English better than me.
The big mistake that I had made was I said that some of our officials don’t like to listen to “voice of bird- Sieng Nok Sieng Ka”, In fact I should have written: “Some of our officials did not like to listen to …….”. Now, they have changed already. I think, they changed their mind after opening our country to the world. As we all know that every time before our parliament session opened, Lao people can send letter, email, expressing their opinion to the session. And the great thing is they even provide telephone number for hotline. I know we love to participate to that forum. It’s kind of we feel happy that our opinions also can be heard in that parliament meeting. Even in some developed countries their people cannot do like Lao people do. I remember once I also sent my opinion through email to our parliament. I felt that it was a really great honor for me when they replied me my opinion was received and even thanked to me. Here, I wanted to say that is a kind of democracy in our society, although it’s still not as perfect as in first world countries, but at least we move to the point, I am really proud of the move. Thing cannot be done overnight. We would need time to go the point. I remember former President of France, the land where first revolution or democracy was born, once said “Democracy cannot be imposed from outside, but it will develop inside the community and its people”. That is the always truth. It’s like you don’t want get married with this lady, but someone forces you to do that. Like that you would suffer until you die or you would die, although you still can breathe “Tai Thang Pen”. Oh God, don’t let me face such a case. No doubt, all of us don’t want the case that has been happening in IRAQ. Lao people really don’t want such a case, from such a case we had suffered for long time, no wonder we are poor. We have no opportunity to develop our country. That’s really sad for our past time.
Yes, the first person who responded to me was Mr. FOREVER. And probably the most active person who participated in this topic, even some words which most people don’t like, if I remember, he commented twice. Unfortunately, some could not help annoying with that and said something bad to him. I understand that they could control themselves. By the way, I do agree with him the fact that Laos moved too slow was because some of our people had low education. That’s really right reason, which is a part of good governance. However, I don’t think that I can agree with other his comments. I also do understand that his environment might be different with us. He could be a person who closes to old Lao people, who had power before 1975, that’s why he thinks different from us. I would advice him think on them again. If our foreign Lao people are clever enough, I think, they would not need to do war; they should come to Laos to do business in Laos. Our government always welcomes all kind of businessmen. They would have even more advantages than other foreigners because they can talk in Lao language. And then our government will depend on them, and of course they will also depend on Lao people. That’s a great idea. That would mean we help each other.
The second person who responded to my topic was Mr. Webmaster. It’s really a great honor for me and I appreciate it. His comment is a kind of Buddha’ teaching “Our happiness is our satisfactory with ourselves. Please have a look again I really like it: “Laos is still poor because Lao people never think they are rich! Laos is actually very rich in natural resources and culture. Laos is richer than many countries in Africa If we think we are rich and happy with what we have, then we are rich. If we think we are poor and never satisfy with what we have, then we are always poor!” No wonder, he is the only person who created this website for us so that we can communicate to each other. He might often go to the temples in Laos with his wife or his girlfriend to say the least. To this comment lots people like it, including one educated French person who has Lao wife and stay together in France. Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it. Here, I am glad that he agreed with my opinion. At least, I know someone also like I do. Although I don’t know this person well, probably I can say something about him. Do forgive me, if I were wrong. This person is really concerned about our culture and environment, and surprisingly he did not mention any thing about politic, although he is a French gentle man. He also knows history of Laos quite well, especially the history of LaoKingdom. I am proud that French gentle man wants to enjoy our GNH saying he may visit Laos with his wife on next January. That means our country is not that bad. Even gentle man from France wants stay in Laos for one month. That’s a great idea and we all Lao people should be proud of our country.
The forth person who responded to my article is the respected Lao person of mine who has Australian citizen. Probably I should call him Eloung KL, please do forgive me if I spell your name wrongly. He is a person who really helps me in all field, especially he is a really positive about Laos. No wonder, I feel that our Lao people living in oversea also love Laos. Living abroad doesn’t mean anything that they do not love Laos. They just seek for a better life. I presume that they can help Lao people in the sense that they can talk and explain to foreigners so that the foreigners can understand Lao people well, at least let them know that we really love peace, we don’t want war. And I agree with his comment as I said earlier on. “If your family was poor then your children were likely staying poor or cannot be rich easily. That’s a true”. I also agree that Lao people now cannot be lazy anymore. Except planting rice, Lao people still do other thing for selling. And some are good in doing business. The number of Lao businessmen is also increasing. The lazy matter could be meant for the past time Lao people already. Thank you very much for your thought, I repeat the comment which posted by someone.
Thank you to person who posted about GNH saying that this GHN set up in practice by King Bhutan. In fact, I would say the GNH is related to philosophy of Thai King, what is called “Sed tha kid pho phieng”. I really appreciate it. I assume that this person is a Thai citizen and educated. And he might have meet with Lao people before or he is about to visit Laos. Thank you for your comment. Yes, I think, Lao people need to learn from GNH as well. While welcoming investors from outside, our government needs to look on our law and regulation, makes it fair for all sites both our people and investors. Otherwise our people will become poorer, instead of richer. You may remember the case of the salary of 80000 kip/month. Like it or not, that is a real exploitation.
Thank you to person who said that our country conditions have made Lao people to be lazy or easygoing life style. That’s partly true. But if we work hard like other nations do, I think, definitely, we would be richer them.
Thank you to person who said that our economic growth is normal. Probably he is an economic or at least studying in economic or finance. I understand his point. That if we go to fast Lao people may not be able to adapt to that condition, but he just compared from 1986 -2006, but he forgot to compare from 1975-2006. Anyway, I appreciate his opinion as well.
Thank you to all people who I could not mention, who participated in this topic both positive and negative. People can have their own opinions. But I am sure that our readers will make the judgment by themselves. When we, as well as our officals, listen to someone, we of course will make the conclusion by ourselves. It is not good also when you listen to me and you believe me without thinking. That’s a kind of critical thinking. When we listen or hear someone says something, we need to put question “Why or how to find the reason for that? That is a good way for us to be the good readers and listeners.
It seems to me that the author of this topic wants to do like new teaching method "student centered style". First, let people think and give their opinions, but now the author gives the answers want he want to tell. Yes, it's quite interesting method.
great, great! no other word ! yes , your english is not bad at all, i surely cannot post so long speech full of good reasons as you did.... we are lao, we`re living like lao... if one fine day, laos is keen to jump up to be equal with other nations...we have to rush to improve our policy in every fields and starting to work really hard to reach this goal ...our county have no access to the sea and people are living parsely, we have to spend a lots of fuel (money) to dispatch marchandises and other goods all over the country and most regions are mountainous... we would be rich when we were able to overcome all these obstacles... regards
one day it might become an advantage...Laos will not have to worry about parts of the country disappearing under the sea because of rising sea levels due to global warming...but Singapore, Vietnam, etc will face problems with flooding, decreased land area, loss of homes, etc. every cloud has a silver lining ;)
I believe that if all lao people who live inside the country or outside, understand and the true picture of things which happened after the war, whether from First World War, to the Second and the war in South East Asia ( including LAO ) as we saw people were affected in many ways, particularly in Psychology, therefore many of us also were confused, had lot of fears, uncertainty that's why we had refugees, from the after math effect, not only Lao but from Europe, Africa and so on. If we saw, and understand that, I think we can leave those bad experiences behind and look to the future, in that way lao people everywhere could easily communicate without the mentality that we are not united or we do not get on well with each other. I we join in discussion about many topic from Lao and around the world that mean we do think of our home country, or mother land if you like, and we always want the country to advance and prosper so lao people's life improve more and more.
Because, in Laos, they r 14 Provinces out of 17 provinces have been affected by UXO which America droped in Laos during the secret war and Indochina war from 1964-1973.
It would not be good, if I posted the article but I do not read. Thank you very much all of you for taking your time to read and post your comments. I really appreciate your contribution. I must accept that in the article that I had posted there were lots of mistakes, I knew them after posting, because my eyesight is not good and my English is poor. No wonder people in America want to teach us with English American standard. It would be great if you can do. Lao people would welcome the move. I also accept that they know English well and better than me. It might be perhaps my background was not good. I learnt French language in school. After that, I had studied in Russia or former Soviet Union. I know Russian quite well because I had studied there for about 10 years. I have started learning English just before I came to Singapore. That’s a reason I am a poor English person compared to my daughter who is belonging to new Lao generation, she knows English better than me.
The big mistake that I had made was I said that some of our officials don’t like to listen to “voice of bird- Sieng Nok Sieng Ka”, In fact I should have written: “Some of our officials did not like to listen to …….”. Now, they have changed already. I think, they changed their mind after opening our country to the world. As we all know that every time before our parliament session opened, Lao people can send letter, email, expressing their opinion to the session. And the great thing is they even provide telephone number for hotline. I know we love to participate to that forum. It’s kind of we feel happy that our opinions also can be heard in that parliament meeting. Even in some developed countries their people cannot do like Lao people do. I remember once I also sent my opinion through email to our parliament. I felt that it was a really great honor for me when they replied me my opinion was received and even thanked to me. Here, I wanted to say that is a kind of democracy in our society, although it’s still not as perfect as in first world countries, but at least we move to the point, I am really proud of the move. Thing cannot be done overnight. We would need time to go the point. I remember former President of France, the land where first revolution or democracy was born, once said “Democracy cannot be imposed from outside, but it will develop inside the community and its people”. That is the always truth. It’s like you don’t want get married with this lady, but someone forces you to do that. Like that you would suffer until you die or you would die, although you still can breathe “Tai Thang Pen”. Oh God, don’t let me face such a case. No doubt, all of us don’t want the case that has been happening in IRAQ. Lao people really don’t want such a case, from such a case we had suffered for long time, no wonder we are poor. We have no opportunity to develop our country. That’s really sad for our past time.
Yes, the first person who responded to me was Mr. FOREVER. And probably the most active person who participated in this topic, even some words which most people don’t like, if I remember, he commented twice. Unfortunately, some could not help annoying with that and said something bad to him. I understand that they could control themselves. By the way, I do agree with him the fact that Laos moved too slow was because some of our people had low education. That’s really right reason, which is a part of good governance. However, I don’t think that I can agree with other his comments. I also do understand that his environment might be different with us. He could be a person who closes to old Lao people, who had power before 1975, that’s why he thinks different from us. I would advice him think on them again. If our foreign Lao people are clever enough, I think, they would not need to do war; they should come to Laos to do business in Laos. Our government always welcomes all kind of businessmen. They would have even more advantages than other foreigners because they can talk in Lao language. And then our government will depend on them, and of course they will also depend on Lao people. That’s a great idea. That would mean we help each other.
The second person who responded to my topic was Mr. Webmaster. It’s really a great honor for me and I appreciate it. His comment is a kind of Buddha’ teaching “Our happiness is our satisfactory with ourselves. Please have a look again I really like it: “Laos is still poor because Lao people never think they are rich! Laos is actually very rich in natural resources and culture. Laos is richer than many countries in Africa If we think we are rich and happy with what we have, then we are rich. If we think we are poor and never satisfy with what we have, then we are always poor!” No wonder, he is the only person who created this website for us so that we can communicate to each other. He might often go to the temples in Laos with his wife or his girlfriend to say the least. To this comment lots people like it, including one educated French person who has Lao wife and stay together in France. Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it. Here, I am glad that he agreed with my opinion. At least, I know someone also like I do. Although I don’t know this person well, probably I can say something about him. Do forgive me, if I were wrong. This person is really concerned about our culture and environment, and surprisingly he did not mention any thing about politic, although he is a French gentle man. He also knows history of Laos quite well, especially the history of LaoKingdom. I am proud that French gentle man wants to enjoy our GNH saying he may visit Laos with his wife on next January. That means our country is not that bad. Even gentle man from France wants stay in Laos for one month. That’s a great idea and we all Lao people should be proud of our country.
The forth person who responded to my article is the respected Lao person of mine who has Australian citizen. Probably I should call him Eloung KL, please do forgive me if I spell your name wrongly. He is a person who really helps me in all field, especially he is a really positive about Laos. No wonder, I feel that our Lao people living in oversea also love Laos. Living abroad doesn’t mean anything that they do not love Laos. They just seek for a better life. I presume that they can help Lao people in the sense that they can talk and explain to foreigners so that the foreigners can understand Lao people well, at least let them know that we really love peace, we don’t want war. And I agree with his comment as I said earlier on. “If your family was poor then your children were likely staying poor or cannot be rich easily. That’s a true”. I also agree that Lao people now cannot be lazy anymore. Except planting rice, Lao people still do other thing for selling. And some are good in doing business. The number of Lao businessmen is also increasing. The lazy matter could be meant for the past time Lao people already. Thank you very much for your thought, I repeat the comment which posted by someone.
Thank you to person who posted about GNH saying that this GHN set up in practice by King Bhutan. In fact, I would say the GNH is related to philosophy of Thai King, what is called “Sed tha kid pho phieng”. I really appreciate it. I assume that this person is a Thai citizen and educated. And he might have meet with Lao people before or he is about to visit Laos. Thank you for your comment. Yes, I think, Lao people need to learn from GNH as well. While welcoming investors from outside, our government needs to look on our law and regulation, makes it fair for all sites both our people and investors. Otherwise our people will become poorer, instead of richer. You may remember the case of the salary of 80000 kip/month. Like it or not, that is a real exploitation.
Thank you to person who said that our country conditions have made Lao people to be lazy or easygoing life style. That’s partly true. But if we work hard like other nations do, I think, definitely, we would be richer them.
Thank you to person who said that our economic growth is normal. Probably he is an economic or at least studying in economic or finance. I understand his point. That if we go to fast Lao people may not be able to adapt to that condition, but he just compared from 1986 -2006, but he forgot to compare from 1975-2006. Anyway, I appreciate his opinion as well.
Thank you to all people who I could not mention, who participated in this topic both positive and negative. People can have their own opinions. But I am sure that our readers will make the judgment by themselves. When we, as well as our officals, listen to someone, we of course will make the conclusion by ourselves. It is not good also when you listen to me and you believe me without thinking. That’s a kind of critical thinking. When we listen or hear someone says something, we need to put question “Why or how to find the reason for that? That is a good way for us to be the good readers and listeners.
Regards, TSP
This topic is over 2 years is old . Today I just found it and very interested " why Laos is still poor or moves so slow ? " The answer is very simple since 1975 a lot of skill workers , doctors , bankers , traders , economists , professors, physicists and well educated people were sent to concentration camp or prison and died or were sentenced to death or exile. Therefore only farmers and uneducated or low educated people were running the country , those people were not traders , bankers, economists and skill workers so Laos lacked of the professional people in every field until young generation who graduated from over sea who had very little experience to run the country and it was already too late because Laos was already in debt with bad loans and contracts with Vietnam, Thailand , China and Russia. Most of the rain forest has been destroyed .Most of the neighbouring countries took advantage from Laos with bad loans , contracts and investments deal such China took totally control of couple provinces in the northern part to build casinos ,Vietnam from the south for their rubber plantations and took a lot of timber from Laos and some land and resources now the Russia would like to do the same because Laos owe them money and could not make payments. Timbers , hydro powers dams ,mines and tourism are not enough to drag Lao out of this deep hole which were dug by the not well educated elderly powerful high ranking government officials. Laos is in debt for many generations to come.
Federation Council approves debt settlement deal with Laos
RBC, 22.12.2008, Moscow 12:40:16.The Russian Federation Council has ratified an agreement between the governments of Russia and Laos on the settlement of the republic's loan debt to Russia denominated in rubles. According to Mikhail Margelov, chairman of the Federation Council's foreign affairs committee, the agreement provides for the restructuring of Laos's total $1.3 billion dollars debt from November 1, 2003. Laos now has the right to refrain from paying 70 percent of the sum, while the other 30 percent is subject to negotiations and must be fully repaid in accordance with the payment schedule. Furthermore, the consolidated sum and interest rate can be used by Russia in exchange for its share in environmental protection and other projects on the territory of Laos. Moreover, Russia is entitled to exchange the country's debt for certain products and services.
Where did the money go ? This loan was made in 2003 . So that is no wonder that is why Laos is the least developed and the poorest country. Lao leader should take a look at Singapore and south Korea as the model how they turned their countries from poor and poverty to the first world countries and the most modern countries and the richest in Asia.
It would not be good, if I posted the article but I do not read. Thank you very much all of you for taking your time to read and post your comments. I really appreciate your contribution. I must accept that in the article that I had posted there were lots of mistakes, I knew them after posting, because my eyesight is not good and my English is poor. No wonder people in America want to teach us with English American standard. It would be great if you can do. Lao people would welcome the move. I also accept that they know English well and better than me. It might be perhaps my background was not good. I learnt French language in school. After that, I had studied in Russia or former Soviet Union. I know Russian quite well because I had studied there for about 10 years. I have started learning English just before I came to Singapore. That’s a reason I am a poor English person compared to my daughter who is belonging to new Lao generation, she knows English better than me.
The big mistake that I had made was I said that some of our officials don’t like to listen to “voice of bird- Sieng Nok Sieng Ka”, In fact I should have written: “Some of our officials did not like to listen to …….”. Now, they have changed already. I think, they changed their mind after opening our country to the world. As we all know that every time before our parliament session opened, Lao people can send letter, email, expressing their opinion to the session. And the great thing is they even provide telephone number for hotline. I know we love to participate to that forum. It’s kind of we feel happy that our opinions also can be heard in that parliament meeting. Even in some developed countries their people cannot do like Lao people do. I remember once I also sent my opinion through email to our parliament. I felt that it was a really great honor for me when they replied me my opinion was received and even thanked to me. Here, I wanted to say that is a kind of democracy in our society, although it’s still not as perfect as in first world countries, but at least we move to the point, I am really proud of the move. Thing cannot be done overnight. We would need time to go the point. I remember former President of France, the land where first revolution or democracy was born, once said “Democracy cannot be imposed from outside, but it will develop inside the community and its people”. That is the always truth. It’s like you don’t want get married with this lady, but someone forces you to do that. Like that you would suffer until you die or you would die, although you still can breathe “Tai Thang Pen”. Oh God, don’t let me face such a case. No doubt, all of us don’t want the case that has been happening in IRAQ. Lao people really don’t want such a case, from such a case we had suffered for long time, no wonder we are poor. We have no opportunity to develop our country. That’s really sad for our past time.
Yes, the first person who responded to me was Mr. FOREVER. And probably the most active person who participated in this topic, even some words which most people don’t like, if I remember, he commented twice. Unfortunately, some could not help annoying with that and said something bad to him. I understand that they could control themselves. By the way, I do agree with him the fact that Laos moved too slow was because some of our people had low education. That’s really right reason, which is a part of good governance. However, I don’t think that I can agree with other his comments. I also do understand that his environment might be different with us. He could be a person who closes to old Lao people, who had power before 1975, that’s why he thinks different from us. I would advice him think on them again. If our foreign Lao people are clever enough, I think, they would not need to do war; they should come to Laos to do business in Laos. Our government always welcomes all kind of businessmen. They would have even more advantages than other foreigners because they can talk in Lao language. And then our government will depend on them, and of course they will also depend on Lao people. That’s a great idea. That would mean we help each other.
The second person who responded to my topic was Mr. Webmaster. It’s really a great honor for me and I appreciate it. His comment is a kind of Buddha’ teaching “Our happiness is our satisfactory with ourselves. Please have a look again I really like it: “Laos is still poor because Lao people never think they are rich! Laos is actually very rich in natural resources and culture. Laos is richer than many countries in Africa If we think we are rich and happy with what we have, then we are rich. If we think we are poor and never satisfy with what we have, then we are always poor!” No wonder, he is the only person who created this website for us so that we can communicate to each other. He might often go to the temples in Laos with his wife or his girlfriend to say the least. To this comment lots people like it, including one educated French person who has Lao wife and stay together in France. Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it. Here, I am glad that he agreed with my opinion. At least, I know someone also like I do. Although I don’t know this person well, probably I can say something about him. Do forgive me, if I were wrong. This person is really concerned about our culture and environment, and surprisingly he did not mention any thing about politic, although he is a French gentle man. He also knows history of Laos quite well, especially the history of LaoKingdom. I am proud that French gentle man wants to enjoy our GNH saying he may visit Laos with his wife on next January. That means our country is not that bad. Even gentle man from France wants stay in Laos for one month. That’s a great idea and we all Lao people should be proud of our country.
The forth person who responded to my article is the respected Lao person of mine who has Australian citizen. Probably I should call him Eloung KL, please do forgive me if I spell your name wrongly. He is a person who really helps me in all field, especially he is a really positive about Laos. No wonder, I feel that our Lao people living in oversea also love Laos. Living abroad doesn’t mean anything that they do not love Laos. They just seek for a better life. I presume that they can help Lao people in the sense that they can talk and explain to foreigners so that the foreigners can understand Lao people well, at least let them know that we really love peace, we don’t want war. And I agree with his comment as I said earlier on. “If your family was poor then your children were likely staying poor or cannot be rich easily. That’s a true”. I also agree that Lao people now cannot be lazy anymore. Except planting rice, Lao people still do other thing for selling. And some are good in doing business. The number of Lao businessmen is also increasing. The lazy matter could be meant for the past time Lao people already. Thank you very much for your thought, I repeat the comment which posted by someone.
Thank you to person who posted about GNH saying that this GHN set up in practice by King Bhutan. In fact, I would say the GNH is related to philosophy of Thai King, what is called “Sed tha kid pho phieng”. I really appreciate it. I assume that this person is a Thai citizen and educated. And he might have meet with Lao people before or he is about to visit Laos. Thank you for your comment. Yes, I think, Lao people need to learn from GNH as well. While welcoming investors from outside, our government needs to look on our law and regulation, makes it fair for all sites both our people and investors. Otherwise our people will become poorer, instead of richer. You may remember the case of the salary of 80000 kip/month. Like it or not, that is a real exploitation.
Thank you to person who said that our country conditions have made Lao people to be lazy or easygoing life style. That’s partly true. But if we work hard like other nations do, I think, definitely, we would be richer them.
Thank you to person who said that our economic growth is normal. Probably he is an economic or at least studying in economic or finance. I understand his point. That if we go to fast Lao people may not be able to adapt to that condition, but he just compared from 1986 -2006, but he forgot to compare from 1975-2006. Anyway, I appreciate his opinion as well.
Thank you to all people who I could not mention, who participated in this topic both positive and negative. People can have their own opinions. But I am sure that our readers will make the judgment by themselves. When we, as well as our officals, listen to someone, we of course will make the conclusion by ourselves. It is not good also when you listen to me and you believe me without thinking. That’s a kind of critical thinking. When we listen or hear someone says something, we need to put question “Why or how to find the reason for that? That is a good way for us to be the good readers and listeners.
Regards, TSP
This topic is over 2 years is old . Today I just found it and very interested " why Laos is still poor or moves so slow ? " The answer is very simple since 1975 a lot of skill workers , doctors , bankers , traders , economists , professors, physicists and well educated people were sent to concentration camp or prison and died or were sentenced to death or exile. Therefore only farmers and uneducated or low educated people were running the country , those people were not traders , bankers, economists and skill workers so Laos lacked of the professional people in every field until young generation who graduated from over sea who had very little experience to run the country and it was already too late because Laos was already in debt with bad loans and contracts with Vietnam, Thailand , China and Russia. Most of the rain forest has been destroyed .Most of the neighbouring countries took advantage from Laos with bad loans , contracts and investments deal such China took totally control of couple provinces in the northern part to build casinos ,Vietnam from the south for their rubber plantations and took a lot of timber from Laos and some land and resources now the Russia would like to do the same because Laos owe them money and could not make payments. Timbers , hydro powers dams ,mines and tourism are not enough to drag Lao out of this deep hole which were dug by the not well educated elderly powerful high ranking government officials. Laos is in debt for many generations to come.
Federation Council approves debt settlement deal with Laos
RBC, 22.12.2008, Moscow 12:40:16.The Russian Federation Council has ratified an agreement between the governments of Russia and Laos on the settlement of the republic's loan debt to Russia denominated in rubles. According to Mikhail Margelov, chairman of the Federation Council's foreign affairs committee, the agreement provides for the restructuring of Laos's total $1.3 billion dollars debt from November 1, 2003. Laos now has the right to refrain from paying 70 percent of the sum, while the other 30 percent is subject to negotiations and must be fully repaid in accordance with the payment schedule. Furthermore, the consolidated sum and interest rate can be used by Russia in exchange for its share in environmental protection and other projects on the territory of Laos. Moreover, Russia is entitled to exchange the country's debt for certain products and services.
Where did the money go ? This loan was made in 2003 . So that is no wonder that is why Laos is the least developed and the poorest country. Lao leader should take a look at Singapore and south Korea as the model how they turned their countries from poor and poverty to the first world countries and the most modern countries and the richest in Asia.
south korea for sample that good idea they real work hard and pure
but for singapore the bad idea cz leder all bad behavior like to intervene and spy to distroy for anothers country weaker then themself,that the fact and real happen
Anonymous wrote This topic is over 2 years is old . Today I just found it and very interested " why Laos is still poor or moves so slow ? " The answer is very simple since 1975 a lot of skill workers , doctors , bankers , traders , economists , professors, physicists and well educated people were sent to concentration camp or prison and died or were sentenced to death or exile. Therefore only farmers and uneducated or low educated people were running the country , those people were not traders , bankers, economists and skill workers so Laos lacked of the professional people in every field until young generation who graduated from over sea who had very little experience to run the country and it was already too late because Laos was already in debt with bad loans and contracts with Vietnam, Thailand , China and Russia. Most of the rain forest has been destroyed .Most of the neighbouring countries took advantage from Laos with bad loans , contracts and investments deal such China took totally control of couple provinces in the northern part to build casinos ,Vietnam from the south for their rubber plantations and took a lot of timber from Laos and some land and resources now the Russia would like to do the same because Laos owe them money and could not make payments. Timbers , hydro powers dams ,mines and tourism are not enough to drag Lao out of this deep hole which were dug by the not well educated elderly powerful high ranking government officials. Laos is in debt for many generations to come.
Federation Council approves debt settlement deal with Laos
RBC, 22.12.2008, Moscow 12:40:16.The Russian Federation Council has ratified an agreement between the governments of Russia and Laos on the settlement of the republic's loan debt to Russia denominated in rubles. According to Mikhail Margelov, chairman of the Federation Council's foreign affairs committee, the agreement provides for the restructuring of Laos's total $1.3 billion dollars debt from November 1, 2003. Laos now has the right to refrain from paying 70 percent of the sum, while the other 30 percent is subject to negotiations and must be fully repaid in accordance with the payment schedule. Furthermore, the consolidated sum and interest rate can be used by Russia in exchange for its share in environmental protection and other projects on the territory of Laos. Moreover, Russia is entitled to exchange the country's debt for certain products and services.
Where did the money go ? This loan was made in 2003 . So that is no wonder that is why Laos is the least developed and the poorest country. Lao leader should take a look at Singapore and south Korea as the model how they turned their countries from poor and poverty to the first world countries and the most modern countries and the richest in Asia.
south korea for sample that good idea they real work hard and pure
but for singapore the bad idea cz leder all bad behavior like to intervene and spy to destroy for others country weaker then himself,that the fact and real happen
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Why you said that Singapore spy to destroy another countries and what Singapore get out of it? that 's none sense.
Low educated people To many corruptions Don't care about you, but me
BIG FISH EATS SMALL FISH, SMALL FISH EATS SMALLER FISH, SMALLER FISH EATS SMALL-SMALLER FISH AND FISH EATS FISH NERVER ENOUGH.
YES, YES, AND YES IT IS SO RIGHT *DON'T CARE ABOUT YOU, BUT ME*!!!! I HAVE SOME OF MY RELATIVES WHO IS DOING QUITE WELL IN THEIR BUSINESS AND LEAVE THEIR DAILY LIFE IN LUXERY WAY IN LAOS. THEY CAN AFFORD TO BUY AN EXPENSIVE CAR. BUT, WHEN IT COMES TO TAX NO ONE WOULD WANT TO PAY. THEY TRY TO CHEAT ANYWAY THEY CAN. THEY'RE DRIVING A LUXERY CAR AND COMPLAINT THE ROAD IS BAD. IF YOU DON'T PAY TAX. THEN THE ROAD CAN'T BE DEVELOPPED. THEY GO TO MARKET IN THAILAND JUST TO BUY THEIR DAILY FOOD. THEY CAN'T NO LONGER SHOP IN MARKET IN LAOS. THEY ARE SNICKING THE GOODS AND MERCHANDISE BACK IN LAOS WITHOUT PAYING FOR CUSTOM. MOST OF PEOPLE IS THINKING FOR THEMSELF. THIS IS ANOTHER THE REASON "WHY LAOS IS STILL POOR OR MOVES SOOO SLOW"
“Laos is still poor because Lao people never think they are rich! Laos is actually very rich in natural resources and culture. Laos is richer than many countries in Africa If we think we are rich and happy with what we have, then we are rich. If we think we are poor and never satisfy with what we have, then we are always poor!” One of the more astute comments I've read on here. I'd go even further and say Laos is richer than many countries that have more money. Laos still has a large part of it's natural resources and culture. I wouldn't worry about how quickly Laos develops but how well.
Everyone loves to complain about the government but when looked at from a distance they are doing pretty well. The smart thing about the Lao government is that they are adaptable and they can change. When one way doesn't work out they try another. I especially like the efforts they have been making to stop corruption and build a strong and independant judiciary.
It's true that Laos is not a rich country, but in no way is it poor.
Vang Vien 1996
-- Edited by ban nok on Monday 4th of January 2010 01:30:51 AM
“Laos is still poor because Lao people never think they are rich! Laos is actually very rich in natural resources and culture. Laos is richer than many countries in Africa If we think we are rich and happy with what we have, then we are rich. If we think we are poor and never satisfy with what we have, then we are always poor!” One of the more astute comments I've read on here. I'd go even further and say Laos is richer than many countries that have more money. Laos still has a large part of it's natural resources and culture. I wouldn't worry about how quickly Laos develops but how well.
Everyone loves to complain about the government but when looked at from a distance they are doing pretty well. The smart thing about the Lao government is that they are adaptable and they can change. When one way doesn't work out they try another. I especially like the efforts they have been making to stop corruption and build a strong and independant judiciary.
It's true that Laos is not a rich country, but in no way is it poor.
Vang Vien 1996
-- Edited by ban nok on Monday 4th of January 2010 01:30:51 AM
I have to agree with you some that Laos are rich and natural resource and the most richest is our spirit and beautiful heart. But the reality that Laotian are living under $ 1 or or less per day and will be staved if there are flood or natural disaters just like Typhoo stricke and 95 % of Laotian are not have bachelor degree and in the country side school kid still have to to go to toilelt in the bushes because there are not enough rest rom for every one only for teachers and some have to dig a hole to S hit and there are not enough roads to reach every part of the villages so have to gi by foot so you said Laos it not the least and the porest. Laos is beaytiful country but the least developed and poorest country and top 10 of the most coruuption nation in the world.
Laos is the least deveopped not the most poorest country and Laos is number 10 most corrupted nation in the world.
World's 50 Poorest Countries UN list of least developed countries1 Afghanistan, Angola, Bangladesh, Benin, Bhutan, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Kiribati, Laos, Lesotho, Liberia, Madagascar, Malawi, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Niger, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé and Príncipe, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, Sudan, East Timor, Togo, Tuvalu, Uganda, Tanzania, Vanuatu, Yemen, Zambi
World’s most corrupt and least corrupt nations Sun, Jan 27, 2008 Dubai News
Corruption watchdog Transparency International has released a list of the world’s most and least corrupt nations.The report comes ahead of a conference in Bali this week where more than 100 countries are expected to gather for a United Nations anti-corruption conference.
Four countries from the region made it to the list of most corrupt countries in the world: Somalia and Myanmar tied in the top spot, followed by Iraq and Sudan.
The least corrupt countries in the world are Denmark, Finland and New Zealand, scoring 9.4 on the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI). The UAE ranked 36 in the list.
The lower the CPI of a country, the higher corruption is, with 0 being the most corrupt and 10 being very clean.
Most corrupt country and CPI score Somalia: 1.4 Myanmar: 1.4 Iraq: 1.5 Haiti: 1.6 Uzbekistan: 1.7 Tonga: 1.7 Sudan: 1.8 Chad: 1.8 Afghanistan: 1.8 Laos: 1.9 Laos is the least deveopped not the most poorest country and Laos is number 10 most corrupted nation in the world.
World's 50 Poorest Countries UN list of least developed countries1 Afghanistan, Angola, Bangladesh, Benin, Bhutan, Burkina Faso, Burundi, Cambodia, Cape Verde, Central African Republic, Chad, Comoros, Democratic Republic of Congo, Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Haiti, Kiribati, Laos, Lesotho, Liberia, Madagascar, Malawi, Maldives, Mali, Mauritania, Mozambique, Myanmar, Nepal, Niger, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé and Príncipe, Senegal, Sierra Leone, Solomon Islands, Somalia, Sudan, East Timor, Togo, Tuvalu, Uganda, Tanzania, Vanuatu, Yemen, Zambi
World’s most corrupt and least corrupt nations Sun, Jan 27, 2008 Dubai News
Corruption watchdog Transparency International has released a list of the world’s most and least corrupt nations.The report comes ahead of a conference in Bali this week where more than 100 countries are expected to gather for a United Nations anti-corruption conference.
Four countries from the region made it to the list of most corrupt countries in the world: Somalia and Myanmar tied in the top spot, followed by Iraq and Sudan.
The least corrupt countries in the world are Denmark, Finland and New Zealand, scoring 9.4 on the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI). The UAE ranked 36 in the list.
The lower the CPI of a country, the higher corruption is, with 0 being the most corrupt and 10 being very clean.
Most corrupt country and CPI score Somalia: 1.4 Myanmar: 1.4 Iraq: 1.5 Haiti: 1.6 Uzbekistan: 1.7 Tonga: 1.7 Sudan: 1.8 Chad: 1.8 Afghanistan: 1.8 Laos: 1.9
Least corrupt country and CPI score Denmark: 9.4 Finland: 9.4 New Zealand: 9.4 Singapore: 9.3 Sweden: 9.3 Iceland: 9.2 Netherlands: 9.0 Switzerland: 9.0 Canada: 8.7 Norway: 8.7
The least corrupt countries in the world are Denmark, Finland and New Zealand, according to Transparency International.
Even Laos is # 10 poorest country and the least developped country in Asia but Laos still has 58 multi- millionaires ( US dollars).
That was the old list that US has 269 billionaires that list 5 years old . 2009 the United states have more billionaires but Thailand still has 3 billionaires.
The following is a list of known U.S. dollar billionaires in 2009 as of March 2009, listed by nationality, and grouped by continent. The lists of billionaires is compiled annually by the Forbes Magazine. The list excludes heads of states whose wealth is tied to their position
The following is a list of known U.S. dollar billionaires in 2009 as of March 2009, listed by nationality, and grouped by continent. The lists of billionaires is compiled annually by the Forbes Magazine.
Laos does not have any billionaire yet but soon may be at least 10 more years . Laos will have the first billionaire when Laos become the battery of southeast Asia.
Laos does not have any billionaire yet but soon may be at least 10 more years . Laos will have the first billionaire when Laos become the battery of southeast Asia.
Please pray that Laos is not a 3rd world anymore by 2020 before kee mo ok or at least catch up with your neighbor cambodia.
Any way Thailand has only billionaires and a lot of millionaires and Laos has only 58 multimillionaires in Laos but may be more if counting Lao American and Laotian who are living over sea.
Laos does not have any billionaire yet but soon may be at least 10 more years . Laos will have the first billionaire when Laos become the battery of southeast Asia.
Please pray that Laos is not a 3rd world anymore by 2020 before kee mo ok or at least catch up with your neighbor cambodia.
If Laotian changes the new habit not to be lazy any more and work harder and study harder and move faster then may be. Take the south Korean and Singaporean as the model , they work hard and study hard.
The following is a list of known U.S. dollar billionaires in 2009 as of March 2009, listed by nationality, and grouped by continent. The lists of billionaires is compiled annually by the Forbes Magazine. The list excludes heads of states whose wealth is tied to their position
Before in China every shops and factories were owned by the government .Only 30 years ago after decades that the US stop economic sanctioned against China and allowed China cheap products to markets in the US such as troy . Today it seems that every things in the every houses in the US even the American flags are made in China. So there are 79 Chinese billionaires from trading withe the US and the European countries.
Today 75% of Cambodia garment are import t the US. Soon there will be Cambodian billionaires also when Chevron start drill Cambodian oil. So Loas will have first billionaire also soon.
Laos does not have any billionaire yet but soon may be at least 10 more years . Laos will have the first billionaire when Laos become the battery of southeast Asia. ----------------------------------------------------
Please pray that Laos is not a 3rd world anymore by 2020 before kee mo ok or at least catch up with your neighbor cambodia.
Bo di Kee mo .There will be Laotian billionaire but Laos will still be poor countryand to catch up with neighbor Cambodia. wow that it is not possible. Cambodia has oil and natural gas after drilling Cambodia will have 4 to 5 billion dollars per year income from oil. Laos might be the battery of southeast Asia that Laos might have 80 hydro power dams , timbers ,gold and copper mines and casinos so no way that Laos could catch up with Cambodia . Laos will still be poor country but there will be more Laotian multimillionaires and possibly a billionaire by that time.
Laos was poor yesterday , is poor today and will be poor tomorrow that is the way , it is going to be because of Lao people has never learned , the history always repeating itself since under Burma , Vietnam , Siam and French because of jealous, corruptions and betray never united . Jao Anouvong lost the war because he had been betrayed by Laotian and his own people.
Laos was poor yesterday , is poor today and will be poor tomorrow that is the way , it is going to be because of Lao people has never learned , the history always repeating itself since under Burma , Vietnam , Siam and French because of jealous, corruptions and betray never united . Jao Anouvong lost the war because he had been betrayed by Laotian and his own people.
khone lao mee tai do touk kunh, yarn tae bor mee nah mee tah and they all think they have a big pride but in reality they have no pride and no shame to have sea game mean to beg for everything, give away land to chinese and vietnamese. this is a fact how lao yark mee nah mee tah. pai khor barn khor meaunge
I dont understand why you would want billionaires in laos. Why want money concentrated to very few people when majority lives in dire poverty. I would rather have several multimillionaires, many rich and a huge pool of middle income and small proportion of poor. Whether you like it or not someone still need to do hardlabor dirty job like janitorials and laundry coz these are part of customer service. besides if a billionaire come up at this current state of laos, you would wonder where the money came from.
I dont understand why you would want billionaires in laos. Why want money concentrated to very few people when majority lives in dire poverty. I would rather have several multimillionaires, many rich and a huge pool of middle income and small proportion of poor. Whether you like it or not someone still need to do hardlabor dirty job like janitorials and laundry coz these are part of customer service. besides if a billionaire come up at this current state of laos, you would wonder where the money came from.
That is the way that it is going to be, look at china 1.3 billion people only 300,000 million people are rich and over 100,000 millionaires and 79 billionaires and the rest 1 billions people are poor and cheap workers without cheap labours force China would have billionaires so do Laos. Only 30 years of capitalist that China allowed the west to invest and used Cheap labour and opened market that the US stop economy sanction China . So in only short period of time China have 79 billionaires.
I dont understand why you would want billionaires in laos. Why want money concentrated to very few people when majority lives in dire poverty. I would rather have several multimillionaires, many rich and a huge pool of middle income and small proportion of poor. Whether you like it or not someone still need to do hardlabor dirty job like janitorials and laundry coz these are part of customer service. besides if a billionaire come up at this current state of laos, you would wonder where the money came from.
That is the way that it is going to be, look at china 1.3 billion people only 300,000 million people are rich and over 100,000 millionaires and 79 billionaires and the rest 1 billions people are poor and cheap workers without cheap labours force China would not have billionaires so do Laos. Only 30 years of capitalist that China allowed the west to invest and used Cheap labour and opened market that the US stop economy sanction China . So in only short period of time China have 79 billionaires.
The money from cheap labours and the country resources for sure that are not their salaries. They are not self made millionaires or billionaires like Bill Gate for sure.
It would not be good, if I posted the article but I do not read. Thank you very much all of you for taking your time to read and post your comments. I really appreciate your contribution. I must accept that in the article that I had posted there were lots of mistakes, I knew them after posting, because my eyesight is not good and my English is poor. No wonder people in America want to teach us with English American standard. It would be great if you can do. Lao people would welcome the move. I also accept that they know English well and better than me. It might be perhaps my background was not good. I learnt French language in school. After that, I had studied in Russia or former Soviet Union. I know Russian quite well because I had studied there for about 10 years. I have started learning English just before I came to Singapore. That’s a reason I am a poor English person compared to my daughter who is belonging to new Lao generation, she knows English better than me.
The big mistake that I had made was I said that some of our officials don’t like to listen to “voice of bird- Sieng Nok Sieng Ka”, In fact I should have written: “Some of our officials did not like to listen to …….”. Now, they have changed already. I think, they changed their mind after opening our country to the world. As we all know that every time before our parliament session opened, Lao people can send letter, email, expressing their opinion to the session. And the great thing is they even provide telephone number for hotline. I know we love to participate to that forum. It’s kind of we feel happy that our opinions also can be heard in that parliament meeting. Even in some developed countries their people cannot do like Lao people do. I remember once I also sent my opinion through email to our parliament. I felt that it was a really great honor for me when they replied me my opinion was received and even thanked to me. Here, I wanted to say that is a kind of democracy in our society, although it’s still not as perfect as in first world countries, but at least we move to the point, I am really proud of the move. Thing cannot be done overnight. We would need time to go the point. I remember former President of France, the land where first revolution or democracy was born, once said “Democracy cannot be imposed from outside, but it will develop inside the community and its people”. That is the always truth. It’s like you don’t want get married with this lady, but someone forces you to do that. Like that you would suffer until you die or you would die, although you still can breathe “Tai Thang Pen”. Oh God, don’t let me face such a case. No doubt, all of us don’t want the case that has been happening in IRAQ. Lao people really don’t want such a case, from such a case we had suffered for long time, no wonder we are poor. We have no opportunity to develop our country. That’s really sad for our past time.
Yes, the first person who responded to me was Mr. FOREVER. And probably the most active person who participated in this topic, even some words which most people don’t like, if I remember, he commented twice. Unfortunately, some could not help annoying with that and said something bad to him. I understand that they could control themselves. By the way, I do agree with him the fact that Laos moved too slow was because some of our people had low education. That’s really right reason, which is a part of good governance. However, I don’t think that I can agree with other his comments. I also do understand that his environment might be different with us. He could be a person who closes to old Lao people, who had power before 1975, that’s why he thinks different from us. I would advice him think on them again. If our foreign Lao people are clever enough, I think, they would not need to do war; they should come to Laos to do business in Laos. Our government always welcomes all kind of businessmen. They would have even more advantages than other foreigners because they can talk in Lao language. And then our government will depend on them, and of course they will also depend on Lao people. That’s a great idea. That would mean we help each other.
The second person who responded to my topic was Mr. Webmaster. It’s really a great honor for me and I appreciate it. His comment is a kind of Buddha’ teaching “Our happiness is our satisfactory with ourselves. Please have a look again I really like it: “Laos is still poor because Lao people never think they are rich! Laos is actually very rich in natural resources and culture. Laos is richer than many countries in Africa If we think we are rich and happy with what we have, then we are rich. If we think we are poor and never satisfy with what we have, then we are always poor!” No wonder, he is the only person who created this website for us so that we can communicate to each other. He might often go to the temples in Laos with his wife or his girlfriend to say the least. To this comment lots people like it, including one educated French person who has Lao wife and stay together in France. Thank you for your comment. I appreciate it. Here, I am glad that he agreed with my opinion. At least, I know someone also like I do. Although I don’t know this person well, probably I can say something about him. Do forgive me, if I were wrong. This person is really concerned about our culture and environment, and surprisingly he did not mention any thing about politic, although he is a French gentle man. He also knows history of Laos quite well, especially the history of LaoKingdom. I am proud that French gentle man wants to enjoy our GNH saying he may visit Laos with his wife on next January. That means our country is not that bad. Even gentle man from France wants stay in Laos for one month. That’s a great idea and we all Lao people should be proud of our country.
The forth person who responded to my article is the respected Lao person of mine who has Australian citizen. Probably I should call him Eloung KL, please do forgive me if I spell your name wrongly. He is a person who really helps me in all field, especially he is a really positive about Laos. No wonder, I feel that our Lao people living in oversea also love Laos. Living abroad doesn’t mean anything that they do not love Laos. They just seek for a better life. I presume that they can help Lao people in the sense that they can talk and explain to foreigners so that the foreigners can understand Lao people well, at least let them know that we really love peace, we don’t want war. And I agree with his comment as I said earlier on. “If your family was poor then your children were likely staying poor or cannot be rich easily. That’s a true”. I also agree that Lao people now cannot be lazy anymore. Except planting rice, Lao people still do other thing for selling. And some are good in doing business. The number of Lao businessmen is also increasing. The lazy matter could be meant for the past time Lao people already. Thank you very much for your thought, I repeat the comment which posted by someone.
Thank you to person who posted about GNH saying that this GHN set up in practice by King Bhutan. In fact, I would say the GNH is related to philosophy of Thai King, what is called “Sed tha kid pho phieng”. I really appreciate it. I assume that this person is a Thai citizen and educated. And he might have meet with Lao people before or he is about to visit Laos. Thank you for your comment. Yes, I think, Lao people need to learn from GNH as well. While welcoming investors from outside, our government needs to look on our law and regulation, makes it fair for all sites both our people and investors. Otherwise our people will become poorer, instead of richer. You may remember the case of the salary of 80000 kip/month. Like it or not, that is a real exploitation.
Thank you to person who said that our country conditions have made Lao people to be lazy or easygoing life style. That’s partly true. But if we work hard like other nations do, I think, definitely, we would be richer them.
Thank you to person who said that our economic growth is normal. Probably he is an economic or at least studying in economic or finance. I understand his point. That if we go to fast Lao people may not be able to adapt to that condition, but he just compared from 1986 -2006, but he forgot to compare from 1975-2006. Anyway, I appreciate his opinion as well.
Thank you to all people who I could not mention, who participated in this topic both positive and negative. People can have their own opinions. But I am sure that our readers will make the judgment by themselves. When we, as well as our officals, listen to someone, we of course will make the conclusion by ourselves. It is not good also when you listen to me and you believe me without thinking. That’s a kind of critical thinking. When we listen or hear someone says something, we need to put question “Why or how to find the reason for that? That is a good way for us to be the good readers and listeners.
I wonder why thai have only 3 billioner and so arrogant,ahd who relize that indonesia have 15 billioner but they just calm,move quick and not arrogant by sy bad another country,we should learn like that.
we do care.if dont.we are laos never got one.mean no body have money to make more business.more billioner more chance business arround you.damn stupid..no money no live he he he
we do care.if dont.we are laos never got one.mean no body have money to make more business.more billioner more chance business arround you.damn stupid..no money no live he he he
Regardless of how poor Laos was yesterday and how poor Laos is today and how poor Laos will be tomorrow, Laos always have some multimillionaires ( US dollars) and soon Laos will also a billonaire .
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Why Laos is still poor or moves so slow and continue because Laos has never have good , well educated and intelligent leaders and government.
So who would you think that would be intelligent and capable to do the job. South Korean and Singaporean have the leaders who could change their countries from the third world to the first world in only few decades. Is it possible that Lao leader capable to do the same as the south Korean and Singaporean leaders have done to their countries?