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I DON'T KNOW MANY OF US WAS  OLD ENOUGH TO HEAR THIS STORY. WHICH HAVE
CIRCULATED, PARTICULARLY IN LUANG PRABANG , VIENTIANE ,CHAMPASSAK,HAVE IDLY
SPECULATED ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF "NOT DYNASTIC" BETWEEN A KING SISAVANG VONG
AND SISAVANG VATTHANA . SUCH AS ONE WHICH CLAIMS KING SISAVANG VONG FORBADE HIS
SON FROM ATTENDING HIS FUNERAL ; AND A RELATED STORY WHICH CLAIMS THAT DURING
THE DRESSING OF KING SISAVANG VONG FOR HIS FUNERAL,A ROLE RESERVED FOR THE SON
,SISAVANG VATTHANA COULD NOT LIFT HIS FATHER IN ORDER TO CARRY OUT THE TASK,
THUS SHOWING HE WAS NOT A TRUE CHILD OF THE KING . ONLY SIHANOUK KING OF
CAMBODIA.( THE LATTER IN FACT FLEW TO LUANG PRABBANG FOR FUNERAL ) COULD LIFT
HIM ,WHICH SHOWS THAT HE WAS IN FACT A TRUE CHILD OF THE KING AND IN VIENTIANE
STORYTELLR CONTINUED BY SAYING THAT SISAVANG VATTHANA HAD NEVER  PLACED A ROOF
OVER THE STATUE OF HIS FARTHER OUTSIDE VAT SIMUANG ,AND THIS ALSO SHOWED THAT
HE NOT A TRUE CHILD OF THE OLD KING. .A  FINAL FURTHER "FACT "  FROM
STORYTELLER   THAT SISAVANG VATTHANA ' FATHER WAS IN FACT AN ENGLISHMAN , WHICH
YOU COULD TELL FROM THE SIZE OF HIS NOSE.MANY MORE STORIE ARE TOLL SUCH AS THAT
HE COULD NOT SPEAK LAOS PROPERLY ,FOR EXAMPLE ,AND COULD ONLY SPEAK FRENCH

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I don't know too. Let's wait and see who is expert in Lao history to answer this question.

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Anonymous

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You should say: "I don't know either" (not too)


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I also heard the same thing what was said in the story in terms of King Sihanou. But I heard that the Sisvang Wathana was son of Kmer King. They were changed by French ruler in France when they were small boys. Presumely, they went to France from kindergarten. Both Laos and Khmer were French colonies. 

I thought I am the only one person who still remember this story. This I heard long time ago before 1975. At that time it was really secret and people could not talk about this story freely.

 No wonder, former King Siswang Wathna did not do anything for Laos, just took care his rice field and garden in Luang Prabang. I remember that every year Lao youth "Scout" had to come to Luang Prabang to work in King rice field.

True or not?. That was what I heard.    

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Lao rumours are sooo cool

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Rumours spread by communist to discredite the royal house. Its been over 30years and people are still believing this nonsense? If your this naive, do yourself a favour and  get a copy of Dr.Grant Evans' "The Politics of Ritual and Remembrace, Laos since 1975" or Christopher Kremmers: "Bamboo Palace".

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1000000000000%  Their faces were identical.

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King Sisavangvong



King Sisavang Wathana

The third person mentioned in the story you can search on Internet, if you are really interested to compare.

However, I do agree as someone claimed that these two people are not look like each other at all, especially their faces. The third person is more close to say they are father and son in terms of their faces and figure of their noses. No wonder the rumour is still going on.
Please make a judgement by yourself ideaideaconfused

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Oops! Sisavang Wathana seemed to be a fake King. The colony ruler could do everything, even King cannot keep his own son, to say nothing of ordinary people. However, I do understand his feeling, judging on the mentioned story. 

No wonder, having known this rumour, Lao people did not care much about King or last regime.

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Then why we bow our head to Crown Prince soulivong Savang if he is not the true grandson of King Sisavang Vong

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I am old enough, but in the past 66 years I have never heard about this kind of rumour before. I can hardly believe it. Brothers or sons don't have to look alike even though they have the same father and mother. Look at your brothers or
cousins, do they really look like you.



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Anonymous wrote:

I am old enough, but in the past 66 years I have never heard about this kind of rumour before. I can hardly believe it. Brothers or sons don't have to look alike even though they have the same father and mother. Look at your brothers or
cousins, do they really look like you.



Oh!! Very interesting point is raised. In fact, I think, if you don't look like your father or mother, but look like foreigner, you should doubt their behaviour. Either that they adopted you or that your mother behaved not like well, no doubt.

When people have nothing in common, I doubt they are father and son. The father has a small nose, while the son has a big nose. This really makes me think that the story could be 100% true.    



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It is not true.

Vatthana attended his father's funeral and supposedly remarked to King Norodom Sihanouk of Cambodia saying "Alas, I am destined to be the last king of Laos."

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 this is must be true then if DR Grant Evan's writed about about it .wow them rumours spread all the way to western country



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Anonymous wrote:

 

this is must be true then if DR Grant Evan's writed about about it .wow them rumours spread all the way to western country

 



He's a smart man. I have his book, the rituals and rememberance, LAOS.

 



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Why you guy talking stupid story is all over true king or not true who care about this ,lao king so lazy and dumped no politic china took some laos land lao king said ok thailand took some 16 provinces lao king said ok vietnam took some lao king said ok ,look at kaisone phomvihanh save country he smart and send some alien to over sea like you guy this is the truth

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handsomeboy wrote:

Why you guy talking stupid story is all over true king or not true who care about this ,lao king so lazy and dumped no politic china took some laos land lao king said ok thailand took some 16 provinces lao king said ok vietnam took some lao king said ok ,look at kaisone phomvihanh save country he smart and send some alien to over sea like you guy this is the truth



Land is land.
War kills people.
I wonder who prompted war...

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Yes, the "mighty" LPDR is so great. Is that why your pitiful government has been begging for foreign-aid for the past 30 years. By the way, most of the aid that help build your school, road, houspital, ect. are money from us capitalist nations.Your government don't even understand what commusnism is. Their nothing but an buch of peasants turn revolutionaries. You speack of equality, yet the only ones having all the wealth is your party members. You criticiz our late King, but your government build a statue of his ancestor Chao Fa Ngum. Go buy a dictionary and look up the word "hypocrite".

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You criticiz our late King, but your government build a statue of his ancestor Chao Fa Ngum. Go buy a dictionary and look up the word "hypocrite".



This person defended even the fake king who did nothing for Laos and Lao people. Be more reasonable if you still have your own brain. There is nothing hypocritical about the story, that is a reality.


Of course, we respect our good and real, but not fake king who even King Sisavang Vong could not accept.  



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Anonymous wrote:

It is not true.

Vatthana attended his father's funeral and supposedly remarked to King Norodom Sihanouk of Cambodia saying "Alas, I am destined to be the last king of Laos."



who say vatthan a din't attended he father funeral . KING SISAVANG VONG FORBADE HIS  SON FROM ATTENDING HIS FUNERAL . DURING
THE DRESSING OF KING SISAVANG VONG FOR HIS FUNERAL,A ROLE RESERVED FOR THE SON
,SISAVANG VATTHANA COULD NOT LIFT HIS FATHER IN ORDER TO CARRY OUT THE TASK,
THUS SHOWING HE WAS NOT A TRUE CHILD OF THE KING . ONLY SIHANOUK KING OF
CAMBODIA.( THE LATTER IN FACT FLEW TO LUANG PRABBANG FOR FUNERAL ) COULD LIFT
HIM ,WHICH SHOWS THAT HE WAS IN FACT A TRUE CHILD OF THE KING




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Let me ask some of you this:

If the remaining "royal" family does anything spectatcular to help Laos, would you accept them as a King?

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Anonymous wrote:

Let me ask some of you this:

If the remaining "royal" family does anything spectatcular to help Laos, would you accept them as a King?



No, now there is no real King anymore.



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So supposily Prince Savang Vathana couldn't lift his father and that makes him not the real son. Great logic! that must be from that "great" education system that the LPDR I heard about so much.By the way, great job on selling away Laos to Vietnam(now China too.)

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Tell us more about last king of Laos. why he die by who ?

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Savang or Sisavang Vatthana (full name Samdach Brhat Chao Mavattaha Sri Vitha Lan Xang Hom Khao Phra Rajanachakra Lao Parama Sidha Khattiya Suriya Varman Brhat Maha Sri Savangsa Vadhana) (13 November 1907 − 13 May (?), 1978; or perhaps as late as 1984) was the last king of the Kingdom of Laos. He ruled from 1959 after his father's death, until his forced abdication in 1975. Savang Vatthana proved unable to manage a country in political turmoil. His rule ended with the takeover of the Pathet Lao in 1975, after which he and his family were sent to a re-education camp by the Pathet Lao.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Savang_Vatthana



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Please don't use wikipedia, it's not reliable.


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Yes, I think, Lao kind did not the great efforts to the Country in the past and was not so grave like other's country king, they  alway took vacation in France and left the Lao pleople  killed each other inside the Country, the Country was divided and was unable United like curent situation , therefore the King was useless for Lao People.

Lao Vientiane

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we are young generation in  Laos, we did not know  about the role of king in Laos, please do not talk about him, he is useless man for lao society. I remeber my father told me that before 1975, in Laos had only 1 high school in Vte( Lycee Vte ), no road, no telephone, no eclectricity , no clear water  adn ... all of that it because of king, it  was too bad for Lao People and now you can encourage the Lao people to respect him and no way I can not bow my head to him and his relatives

Lao Vientiane.

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Anonymous wrote:

we are young generation in  Laos, we did not know  about the role of king in Laos, please do not talk about him, he is useless man for lao society. I remeber my father told me that before 1975, in Laos had only 1 high school in Vte( Lycee Vte ), no road, no telephone, no eclectricity , no clear water  adn ... all of that it because of king, it  was too bad for Lao People and now you can encourage the Lao people to respect him and no way I can not bow my head to him and his relatives

Lao Vientiane.



Whether you want to respect him/them or not just remember that he/they were part Laos’ history, that’s something you “younger generation” need to at less know about.  Laos wasn’t born after 1975 or is that what they teaching you “younger generations” in Laos nowadays?  Just because you don’t respect the man doesn’t mean he’s not existed.

 

Best Regard. 





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we are young generation in  Laos, we did not know  about the role of king in Laos, please do not talk about him, he is useless man for lao society. I remeber my father told me that before 1975, in Laos had only 1 high school in Vte( Lycee Vte ), no road, no telephone, no eclectricity , no clear water  adn ... all of that it because of king, it  was too bad for Lao People and now you can encourage the Lao people to respect him and no way I can not bow my head to him and his relatives

Lao Vientiane.



yeah... i agree with you... the Manarch is useless... we are happy for what our regime is rightnow, our govt doing pretty well....

  



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If you want to abolish the king,isn't that you mean to destroy sinh and Lao culture too? King does not represent only power. He also stands for Sinh, Pasalong,Kaun,Morlum,Temple,Holiday and many more. Why you want to demolish it knowing these things you cannot invent it.  Beside not to many countries have it though. When some of Western country doesn't have king, I believe we shouldn't follow they bud.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

we are young generation in  Laos, we did not know  about the role of king in Laos, please do not talk about him, he is useless man for lao society. I remeber my father told me that before 1975, in Laos had only 1 high school in Vte( Lycee Vte ), no road, no telephone, no eclectricity , no clear water  adn ... all of that it because of king, it  was too bad for Lao People and now you can encourage the Lao people to respect him and no way I can not bow my head to him and his relatives

Lao Vientiane.



yeah... i agree with you... the Manarch is useless... we are happy for what our regime is rightnow, our govt doing pretty well....

  



Yes, I agree with you. The King was useless and stupid. Laos got an independent from Franch was not because the monarch, but because of our current ruling party. The king was just enjoyed his life with his many wives, although some of them slept with French rulers.  

Yes, It was suited for him to die in the reeducated camp.

If he was smart he would not have died like that, at least he would have fleet from Laos before he was caught. 

He had no brain, no wonder Laos was poor.  
 



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excuse me lao vientiane, perhaps your father told you the wrong strory because nampapa lao existed well before 1960, electricity of laos produced electricity in vt before 1955 with fuel in actual faifa lao company, namgnun dam produced power in 71-72 and fagnum schools were settled before the 70 in most important provinces, all ministries in vientiane are from the old regime, what i said is not that i like the old regime but to tell you the truth that all that you cited above existed well before 1975 and more : many individual factories were closed down after 1975 such as nampa lao factory, lao monosodium glutamate factory, saonoi tobacco factories ...
regards.

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Thank you Mr. Chipp for your inf. Before I escaped from Laos ,my parents already had everythings except computer or cellular phone.

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Anonymous wrote: Anonymous wrote:

we are young generation in  Laos, we did not know  about the role of king in Laos, please do not talk about him, he is useless man for lao society.
Lao Vientiane.



yeah... i agree with you... the Manarch is useless... we are happy for what our regime is rightnow, our govt doing pretty well....

  



Yes, I agree with you. The King was useless and stupid. Laos got an independent from Franch was not because the monarch, but because of our current ruling party. The king was just enjoyed his life with his many wives, although some of them slept with French rulers.  

Yes, It was suited for him to die in the reeducated camp.

If he was smart he would not have died like that, at least he would have fleet from Laos before he was caught. 

He had no brain, no wonder Laos was poor.  
 






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Anonymous wrote: Anonymous wrote:

we are young generation in  Laos, we did not know  about the role of king in Laos, please do not talk about him, he is useless man for lao society.
Lao Vientiane.



yeah... i agree with you... the Manarch is useless... we are happy for what our regime is rightnow, our govt doing pretty well....

  



Yes, I agree with you. The King was useless and stupid. Laos got an independent from Franch was not because the monarch, but because of our current ruling party. The king was just enjoyed his life with his many wives, although some of them slept with French rulers.  

Yes, It was suited for him to die in the reeducated camp.

If he was smart he would not have died like that, at least he would have fleet from Laos before he was caught. 

He had no brain, no wonder Laos was poor.  
 


Lao nok can explain you guys about the king of Laos, What we have learnt from the history textbook in laos was about the Phaletlao fought agianst the american and rebel hmongs.. I think some of you guys didnt know well about the king, Please respect.......







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khonthakek wrote:


Lao nok can explain you guys about the king of Laos,  I think some of you guys didnt know well about the king, Please respect.......


I am surprised by this comment. Respect whom? The stupid king? Oy! If he was smart he would not have died like that, at least he would have  left Laos before he was caught. 









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khonthakek wrote:

Lao nok can explain you guys about the king of Laos,  I think some of you guys didnt know well about the king, Please respect.......



For a laotian living in vientiane since i was born, I think i have read alot of our Laotian history more then...... at least know more than you...
we are happy about what we have right now.....Monarch is past and useless for our country...






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talking without any proving is timeless.a lot of people like to discussion
things/people in a bad way without prove things. how doyou know what
the exactly is in the history? use your time to improve your view first,
before telling people are bad like that like this, look at your self how good
you are? what did you do for country/people?or can just complain?

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if was a good king , Lao people around the country recognized and  respected him, on ly very few people known him, ordinay people did not know  and can not use the Nampala,   some village in Vte  in VTE can used , the road very poor, no light the kind did not have power to convined Lao pepple  to fight with Foreigners accupation.

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Instead of blaming Viet. communist who smashed your head off, you end up blamed our king who had big heart, who loved peace and who loved everybody around the world. You must feel very angry because your country is poor. Hey look at your brothers and sisters who are currently living in the land opportunities. How many of your siblings became doctors, nurses,lawyers,pharmacists, chemical engineerings,teachers,professors,computer programmers, fashion designers, and others? The percentage is very low compare to Viet. and  Camb. who came here as refugees as your blood.  Now, who do you blame ? I guess it must be you and your brothers or sisters. Without educations and support each other ,Laos country will remains poor 4/ever. It is not to late to make our Motherland to becomes prosperous country. Knowledge or education makes moneys. Moneys decrease your embarrassing. Study!!!!! Make sure all your brothers and  sisters are doctors. Do you know doctos' salary at least 300,000 USD per year to start out?Stop blame my king!!!!!! Get your Ass work harder!!!!

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I know the king was a real nationalist, but he and his family were not smart. that is why they lost to the Pathet Lao, which created by Viet communist party. As the result, lao is remaining poor, and the future of this country economin is still in the fog.

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Anonymous wrote:

if was a good king , Lao people around the country recognized and  respected him, on ly very few people known him, ordinay people did not know  and can not use the Nampala,   some village in Vte  in VTE can used , the road very poor, no light the kind did not have power to convined Lao pepple  to fight with Foreigners accupation.



       if you pround on your self you won't ask a free money from person
       just try to work hard to earn money and hard to develop
       but can pround on your own self.
       you can develop your coutry fastly and easily just ask a free money
       from other country, but can you pround on it? can you tell your kids
       how do you get it from? 

 



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Who built Thai Bangkok? It must be Chinese people. Isn't it? Who built Thai Esan? Nobody! that's why Thai Esan still looks poor. Who built Laos? No doubt, Chinese or others foreinger people. Who gave Chinese government opportunities to  become this far? Obviousely,White!!!!!!!!Who gave Viet.  more than 250mill. USD about ten yrs ago to start out? Who allowed many  Viet. to became doctors and lawyers?White!!!!! When white gave China, Vietname,Thailand,and Cambodia opportunities to become smart and prosperous. Laos people said" Wow,White help them  ha and White people so nice". When people come from differnt world including White,they try to help us because the results of our king jobs, then Laotian people said stop asking or begging.  We can do on our own. I thought our king had done that part already. Am I right? And what exactly that you want? Do or Don't, a person like you always give my king  a **** for credit.

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 Refer to the guy who support the king. the young lao generation will tell you that : now Lao people ( Lao nai ) are living in Laos , they enjoin with  y happinese and will sacrife for  current Government , we  have peace, stability and go forward. please remember that : before , nobody asked you to  lieve the  country, you did by yourself because you did not want to fulfill your obligation to protect your motherland then you went and live in America, France and some where.. to enjoin with dirty job whic  netive or local people did not want to do it and pay the tax for them, work hard and faver with OT  in order to earn the money to pay for your car, home, insurrance, parking lot, income tax, food and .... it means, since your left the country, you did not do any thing for Lao people, just blame it , it is not right thing , your thinking is 10000 percent is wrong ,so afr  all the countries around the world , they appreciated  the efforts of the Lao government very much , even USA also recognized it. you be become refugee, it was up to your decision  because you like that way. please concentrate to earn the money for your Airticket if you wish to see the real thing in Laos, nobody care about your voice and your concern because you just talk and talk and barking all time and did not do nothing for the courty. please to bark , cry and asking to return and respect him.

Lao young generation

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The king death  because of his wrong doing did in the past therefore he was useless for the country and majority of the Lao people did not know his efforts.

Lao is Lao

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I left my country when I was six yrs old. I didn't have a choice. If I know from right to wrong like you, I will write words enjoin,happinese ,and leive like this because our beloved king had taught me how to write enjoy, happiness, and leave this way. Is it the way your current governments teach new generation to write English? I see!! Dee Hom Lai nor!!!

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Instead of blaming Viet. communist who smashed your head off, you end up blamed our king who had big heart, who loved peace and who loved everybody around the world. You must feel very angry because your country is poor. Hey look at your brothers and sisters who are currently living in the land opportunities. How many of your siblings became doctors, nurses,lawyers,pharmacists, chemical engineerings,teachers,professors,computer programmers, fashion designers, and others? The percentage is very low compare to Viet. and  Camb. who came here as refugees as your blood.  Now, who do you blame ? I guess it must be you and your brothers or sisters. Without educations and support each other ,Laos country will remains poor 4/ever. It is not to late to make our Motherland to becomes prosperous country. Knowledge or education makes moneys. Moneys decrease your embarrassing. Study!!!!! Make sure all your brothers and  sisters are doctors. Do you know doctos' salary at least 300,000 USD per year to start out?Stop blame my king!!!!!! Get your Ass work harder!!!!...................

are you one of the doctors that you refering to. if so, i am very scare to get the help.  please .......... don't say the answer is "YES".!
when you started out and get your first doctor's salary of $300,000, why don't you spend some to pay to ankit teacher to help you on ankit language?
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khonthakek wrote:


Lao nok can explain you guys about the king of Laos,  I think some of you guys didnt know well about the king, Please respect.......


I am surprised by this comment. Respect whom? The stupid king? Oy! If he was smart he would not have died like that, at least he would have  left Laos before he was caught. 




are you surprised ? no need to show what kind of respects, but why did you say that stupid king? anyway, at least we had a good King like ChaoFagnum...








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Anonymous wrote:


khonthakek wrote:

Lao nok can explain you guys about the king of Laos,  I think some of you guys didnt know well about the king, Please respect.......



For a laotian living in vientiane since i was born, I think i have read alot of our Laotian history more then...... at least know more than you...
we are happy about what we have right now.....Monarch is past and useless for our country...


haha! my friend
Please share with us what do you know about the Laotian history if you think know more than anyone here!!I'd love to read, especially related to the Lao king







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