Look to me like they are not happy, not at all. And so what that's meant ?... Most of us are very happy coming home.
Yes, there are different news account. The truth will come out very soon.

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it is normal that they are worrying about their future home , future life; imagine youself in their shoes...

samakomlao wrote:

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Maybe they were tried from a long travel.
Allow them to relax and you may see their happy face in a few days

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Yeah I'm sure they're tired from the long travel from Thailand.... That's definately it...

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The Vientianetimes newspaper in Laos reported that

I think, the real news isn't from Vientiane Times, cause this press is published by Lao Government, it's not objective.

I have questions : Why Thai Army help Lao Government ?
And what is the situation of Hmong people in Laos ? Are they really and allways persecuted ? Beacause, in France, many videos look that they are allways in secret War. I think, only rebels are persecuted and Hmong people are free and not persecuted, right ?

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Why Thai Army help Lao Government ?

Actually, this action doesn't mean that Thai army helps Lao government directly. Lao government has never required that all Hmong should come back to Laos. According to Lao Prime minister, they (economic refugees Hmong people in Thailand) can go anywhere they want, be it the third country or USA, where their boss lives. But if they want to come back, Lao government also welcomes them back. To some extend, Thai government also doesn't want them to stay there in Thainland either. Why? These people makes Thai people in trouble such as doing bussiness on drug and many things illegal.

That's why Thai government wants to get rid of this kind of problems.

 And what is the situation of Hmong people in Laos ?
 
They have the same thing as other Lao people have, nothing different. Only thing they might not get used to is do farmer job to grow rice. Last time, they had never planted. They planted poppy (heroin) and sold, but now they cannot do anymore, Lao government forbids them to do that and persuades to come to low land and do farmer job. That's what they might not like.

Talking about the situation of Hmong people in Laos of terms of Lao goernment policy, I think, the Hmong people are good in Lao society. Some are in high rank of Lao government. Two are ministers, one is a politbureau and deputy Prime minister, one is Vice President of Lao parliament and many other high ranks.
 
Are they really and allways persecuted ?

No, not at all. Only "bad" people are persecuted, and not only Hmong people. All are equalled to Lao law, no doubt.
 
Beacause, in France, many videos look that they are allways in secret War. I think, only rebels are persecuted and Hmong people are free and not persecuted, right ?

Yes, you are right that Hmong people are free to manage their lives as long as their activities do not against Lao law. In short, they have a basic human right equalled to what other Lao people have, no less and no more.

Talking about media in France showed something bad about Laos is their nature, and not only in France, but in other countries also especially in USA, Cannada. That is not a surprise. The western medias know quite well who are their audiences: people, who used to govern Laos before 1975, live currently in these countries. These medias got some money from these people and their boss, no doubt. The more they can report bias, they more their audiences would be happy and probably get more maney, at least they can sell their VDO, no doubt.

You may argue that if they were treated well why would they have come to be refugees in Thailand. Yes, everyone would think so.

Largely because they heard if they can go Thailand, later on they definitely would be able to go to third countries. I am not sure whether you know or not about last batch of Hmong people in Thailand in 2004. USA government accepted them from Thailand to stay in USA, actually it was big batch of Hmong people. Having known about this news, Hmong people came to Thailand even more, including Hmong people from Thailand itself and from Burma, citing they came from Laos. But most these people cannot even speak Lao and have no Lao identities. Besides, some argued that they serverved USA to fight Vietcong happened more than 30 years ago, although their ages are just 20- 30 years old.

Finally, I want to tell you something about media. You said the Vientiane Times is likey not realiable. It's good that you are skeptical about the news. But I would suggest you not only Vientiane Times that you need to do so, but all medias. 

You need to think first why would that happen, you your brain. But if they have reasons, they are not bias. I think, you need to believe them but only the western media and the Vientiane Times also.

Regards,
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I would comment but I'm not sure it is safe to do so on this forum.

That's the meaning of Private Army, hmong or meo were paid by the american to fight the communists, now they still wage war against Lao government that's why the have to face the consequences, but not as bad as Cowboys killed indians for their land and american genocide policy towards the indians, native american.

These refugee have been used as the propaganda by drug trafficers.  These bad people could be anyone eg ex-Lao, Lao, Thai, Chinese, Vietnamese, Ex-American soldiers who stay behind, ex-CIA, Hmong rebel.  Yes, there might be Hmong rebel but it's more about drug issue, not country.  Where are all these drug end up?  Anywehere around the world where there are big money?  Laos? I have my doubt.

Lao is a poor country.  If I am government, would I spend millions fighting someone else problem or should I invest money in building nation such as investing $M in hospital, school, infrustructure, people, economy, etc to improving the well being of all Laotians?

I tend to agree with the Prime Minister that they can go anywhere they want.  This should also apply to all Lao people as well.  If they can earn more elsewhere around the world then go.

I hope it's their choice to come back.  Well, in fact it is only the right choice. Either they stay in Thai refegee camp forever or come back to Laos.  Since no third country will accept these refugee.  One day money will stop coming to Thailand from UN to look after these poor people.  Thai Authority will evenually have to do something.  Remenber not everyone in camp are from Laos.  Well, some may say they are since they want to go to the third country.

Good luck to them & well come back to Laos.

Your claims are just as exaggerated as these videos. There has been more news coverage to strengthen the idea that there is some sort of wrong doing happening to the Hmongs than a "drug trafficking" situation.

I think you are in denial, refusing to acknowledge that the Lao government has some part been doing something wrong in their handling of this situation. Last time I checked, Asian governments have not been number 1 when it comes to human rights.

I do no believe there is fighting, at least presently. I believe that they are playing a cat and mouse game, where the Hmongs are indeed trying to go to a third country to escape for a better life and who wouldn't? They most likely still believe the Lao government wants to prosecute them for their wrong doings years ago. And who is to say the Lao government won't? Put yourself in the children of the Hmong rebels shoes, you're taught that you're being hunted and you must fight, or else be dead. Its a lost cause, unless the Lao government decides to bridge a connection to soften the ties, which will never happen because you can't show mercy to rebels or else they will indeed attack you.

It shouldn't be stressed that there is something going on, because there obviously is without any details. Maybe there are or aren't bandits, drug trafficking, etc. but the way the government is handling it is very poor and that should be a concern.

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Zak wrote:

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Having watched this VDO, I felt that this VDO showed something that I had never seen before. This VDO is based on some photos and VDO taken in jungle.
 
What I see in this VDO?
There are several bandits carrying guns. People involved in this VDO mainly are children and women. I see some children who were cured from some diseaces in their faces. They were cured in hospital, probably in Thailand. With this kind of diseace, if they were in jungle they would have died, no one doctor in that jungle definitely. 

Yes, what I see more? Some act as they get injured from recently fighting, but not so professional as the real actor in the movie in the Western countries.    

What I do not see in this VDO?
I do not see any real fighting between Lao government troop and these Hmong bandits. There is no indication that they are Lao Hmong people, no one talk in Lao language. The boss of these Hmong people acting in this VDO definitely is Hmong American citizen. He is probably not more than 44 years old.

Why? The way he wears indicates that he dosn't live in Laos. Morever, he can talk with American CIA who does this VDO.He cannot talk in Lao language either. He expressed his opinion in Hmong language. That is because he has grown in America, no doubt. And probably, all actors involved in this VDO cannot talk in Lao because they are not Lao citizen.   

Where was this VDO taken?
There is no indication either that this VDO has taken in Laos. Most likely this VDO was taken in Thailand.

What are the purposes of this VDO?

1. discredit Lao government image and reputation.
2. The Hmong people want to go to third countries.

To know the real ill intention of this VDO, it would be no harm to have a look on the VDO.
At the end of VDO the main actor (the American-Meo) said: "We are asking international intervention. There are enough evidences. He is an American to firsthand witness us. Our desperate plight and struggles had been documented by him. Please come to help us."

In my opinion, I did not see any evidences from this VDO that shows that Lao government troop does something bad and wrong with these Hmong people.
Instead, I think these two guys (the American CIA man and the American Meo -Hmong man) are the real servants of Vang Pao, whereas the rseveral bandits are the people of drug traffickers, who are really dangerous for Lao and Thai people.
      

Regards,
TSP

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Yes, I do agree with TSP that this VDO has nothing to do with Lao government policy.

I am surprised by someone who knows nothing about Laos, but claimed the way that Lao government handles with Hmong people is poor. I don't understand exactly what he meant. But if he meant that Lao government did not give money to all Hmong as UN gives them in the Thai camp. Then, he is really stupid. 

Lao government has no such policy to all its people, but not only Hmong people. Lao government, of course, can give them only opportunities to live peacefully in Lao land. They have to work to feed themselve. Lao government is not rich enough to give money to its people who do not work or unemployment, like in USA.

Yes, needless to say much, the one who claimed that is Lao-American, and probably the servant of Vangpao, I doubt.


  

Yes, I do agree with someone who said that Lao government has nothing to do with the fact that Hmong people are in Thai camp, Thailand. They are the economic refugees. They want to go to USA to seek better life as Lao prime minister has said. They think if they can go to USA, their life would be better.

Yes, as regard to the VDO, only small kids would believe the VDO. No sane person would believe such rubbish propaganda.

One more thing, the fact that some said that Lao government wants to prosecute them for their or their relatives' wrondoing in the past when the Vietnam war occurred is just a pretext or an excuse, by which they can get help from USA and can be accepted to stay in USA. In fact, Lao government has never objected that. Let them go.
 
 Yes, Lao people really love peace, but it comes to fighting with enemies ( bandits, drug traffickers, servants of Vangpao and so on) we all are ready.