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Laos Detains Dozens Of Christians Print E-mail Add to Favorites
Saturday, 09 August 2008 (5 hours ago)
By BosNewsLife Asia Service
medium_Pastor_Sompong.jpg Pastor Sompong has been among those detained in Laos.

VIENTIANE, LAOS (BosNewsLife)-- At least 90 Christians in Laos, including church leaders, remained missing Saturday, August 9, as part of an apparent government backed crackdown on Christian worship services in three provinces of the Asian nation.

Most believers Christians were apparently detained last month,when officials rounded up Christians in Katin village, in the Tah Oih district of Saravan province. They were reportedly taken away after residents seized a Christian villager and poured rice wine down his throat, which flooded his lungs and killed him instantly.

When mourning family members buried him – an immediate necessity because of the warm climate – and put a wooden cross on the grave, village officials accused them of “practicing the rituals of the enemy of the state” and seized a buffalo and pig from the family as a fine, Christians rights activists said.

Soon after, on July 25, officials rounded up 17 of the 20 Christian families in the village – some 80 men, women and children – and detained them in a local school compound, denying them food for three days in an attempt to force the adults to sign documents renouncing their faith, said the Human Rights Watch for Lao Religious Freedom (HRWLRF) in published remarks.

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Three other Christian families in the village had already renounced their faith under increasing pressure from authorities, the HRWLRF said. As their children grew weaker, 10 families allegedly signed the documents and on July 30 were allowed to return home.

The remaining seven families, however, were evicted from the village and have since settled in an open field outside the village, building small shelters and surviving on food found in the nearby jungle, news report said.

In one of the latest incidents, last Sunday, August 3, Pastor Sompong, and two other believers, identified as Boot and Khamvan, from a house church in Boukham village of Savannakhet province, were detained, Christian news agency Compass Direct News said.  

Earlier on August 2, authorities reportedly detained another villager in Boukham, identified only as Menoy, charging her with “believing in Jesus and worshiping God.” A handcuffed Menoy was seen entering a prison in Ad-Sapangthong district, where she joined two other believers, Kantalee and Loong Peng, who had apparently been brought there the previous day on similar charges.

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Authorities previously arrested Pastor Sompong and four other believers from the Boukham church on July 20, detaining them for two days in a prison in nearby Dong Haen. Police stormed into the church that Sunday and ordered the 63 Christians present to cease worshiping or they would face arrest and imprisonment for “believing and worshiping God,” Christians said.  

When the Christians refused to comply, police arrested Pastor Sompong and fellow church officials Kai and Phuphet as well as a other Christians, including a 17-year-old youth leader, identified only as Kunkham, Compass Direct News said.

All five Christians were detained in Dong Haen prison with their feet secured in wooden stocks on charges of “spreading the Gospel and holding a religious meeting without permission,” Christians said. Officials have not confirmed the reports.
 
Although the Lao constitution "guarantees" freedom of religion and worship, church fellowships must be registered with government-approved institutions. Such registration comes with strict limitations on the activity of the church, however, and many Christians prefer not to register in the Communist-run country.

Elsewhere, in late July authorities in Saiphuthong district of Savannakhet summoned the pastor of a church in Nachan village and questioned him about the increasing number of villagers who had elected to believe in God, Compass Direct News said. It also quoted officials as saying that a family of Hmong Christians in northern Luang Prabang province was detained July 27, but said details remained sketchy. 




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Christianity is always legal in Laos.  A small percentage of Catholics, Protestants and other religious freaks who often in time use materials, money to convert traditional Buddhists would be the ones that cause trouble. They strongly believe that only they are the true saviors in the world. They like to stir things up and cause much resentment among Laotian citizens. I would be lying if I say they are not aggressive with the spread of their religions. In their sinful wishes, they would like to convert the whole world not just Laos to Christianity.  Their main enemy is the Muslim religion.
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Anonymous

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Christians or whatever faith believers should be allowed to practice their faiths.
In the U.S., Lao Buddhists can erect Wat Lao temples and practice Buddhism freely.  There are several Lao, Thai, Cambodian, Vietnamese, Sri Lankan Buddhist temples all over the U.S. Other religioins also have their own Churches and Mosque and places of worship across the U.S. which allows freedom of worship and place of worship.

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Anonymous

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Lao people abroad, please open your ears, eyes wider.
Look at the source of the news you  posted, it is from BosNewsLife Asia, a no name agency, that try to create only bad image for Laos. If it is true, all the CNN, NBC and other famous news agency will cover the issue.

Next time please don't post this funny topic again.
All religion is legal in Laos


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Anonymous

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Bruce, I surely agree with you on this issue. The Christians are not only using Westerns to convert Lao people, now small percentage of Lao oversea that got converted are attempting to go to Laos and convert our own  people. That is just so pathetic, I would say to these peope, over my dead body. Good thing about Kon Lao, that we can't never forget our culture no matter where we're. The good example are in the USA here where small Lao community even have their own Wat, it's amazing to me. Look around my city, the churches have Korean sign everywhere. I would say only <1% of Kon Lao that got converted are trying to live like they're American. They try to fit in, only to find out that no matter what they do, they will still be asked liked " where are you from?". Lao people in the USA practice Buddhism, but we don't go around converting people. We don't cause any trouble.    



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Bruce, I surely agree with you on this issue. The Christians are not only using Westerns to convert Lao people, now small percentage of Lao oversea that got converted are attempting to go to Laos and convert our own  people. That is just so pathetic, I would say to these peope, over my dead body. Good thing about Kon Lao, that we can't never forget our culture no matter where we're. The good example are in the USA here where small Lao community even have their own Wat, it's amazing to me. Look around my city, the churches have Korean sign everywhere. I would say only <1% of Kon Lao that got converted are trying to live like they're American. They try to fit in, only to find out that no matter what they do, they will still be asked liked " where are you from?". Lao people in the USA practice Buddhism, but we don't go around converting people. We don't cause any trouble.    


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Christianity has been well known throughout centuries that their sole purpose is to convert any non-Christian wherever or wherever possible by using money and wealth as their tools.  They normally send their missionaries to third world countries and claim to have great sympathy with God’s love as a pretext to get mission accomplish.  Their main aim is not so much about adults, but children because it is less of a challenge to convert the kids than to convert someone at your age.  People who live under dire poverty would be easy target.  I agree with the other Anonymous’ post about freedom to worship and practice whatever faiths they believe in. For example, in U.S, they have various religions, but you must be able to differentiate that in America, it is quite impossible to use financial power to indirectly convert someone because most people do have access to basic needs.  But Laos is totally different.  People are too poor and the financial pressure is so real.  The success rate is very high for Christian in any third world; as you know financial desperation and the need to survive take precedence over your beloved religion tough you might be unwillingly give yourself in, but your children are pretty much set for automatic conversion.  Religion and tradition go hand in hand and without proper control, our culture will be in great jeopardy.  My great empathy for Laotian government and fully support them if they need to preserve our culture then they need to do whatever it takes.  Comparing America to Laos is unrealistic at best.

I recalled having a courteous public discourse with Laotian Catholics, but it was quite laughable to learn that they did not even know Catholic is Christian.  Furthermore, they got upset with me when I made my reference to both religions were the same.  It did not surprise me due to their lack of education.  So, I explained to them that Christianity was found after Christ was born and originally under Christianity, there were only two religions:  Catholic and Orthodox later some people from within were not happy so they stacked huge protests against Catholicism eventually led to permanent isolation and called themselves Protestant; from then on, they continued to branch out with different names such as:   Methodist, Baptist, etc.

I was born into a Buddhist family and I will remain as a Buddhist until they day I die. I don’t see the need for me to convert myself to anything and certainly, I am not in any financial desperation.  I respect my tradition, culture and religion to the extent, but I am not bound by either one. 

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Kioda

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Félicitation BruceLaoMan !
I agree with you 150 %. For more understanding Laos see as often as you can about events of Laos or www.champalao.info .
Ciao !



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Lao in Vientiane

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I think only foolist newsman refered the religion to anti Lao people (specially Christian). They hope for political situatiion in Laos. Foolist///////

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Yes, it's funny how Lao people in America that are Christian. In a way, they don't even think of themselves as Lao people. They tried to separate themselves as a higher class people and don't even want to associate with Lao Buddhist people.
I am afraid that our Lao people will dissapear from this earth if we don't unite and support each other.


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Yes, it's funny how Lao people in America that are Christian. In a way, they don't even think of themselves as Lao people. They tried to separate themselves as a higher class people and don't even want to associate with Lao Buddhist people.
I am afraid that our Lao people will dissapear from this earth if we don't unite and support each other.



Sigh! They don’t make me feel any less important as a Laotian Buddhist.  It doesn’t bother me in what caste they claim to be since it doesn’t cost a dime to be Christian and certainly you don’t need to have a brain of rocket scientist to join those religious nuts. Buddhism has existed in Laos for many centuries and it will continue to exist for our posterity.  Our Buddha only teaches the truth of life and we don’t believe in competition for membership.  In fact, we welcome those who want to join us without any  stipulation.  We don’t ask or demand any person to forsake their faiths to be a Buddhist.  We don’t impose our will on others and we have no prerequisites for others to be one of us.  This is true for primitive Buddhism and modern day Buddhism.  Christian on the other hand, opted for aggressive policy by using any necessary means to convert others.  They believe in deceitful engagement, interference and economic coercion, taking the advantage of the poor are very common practices throughout their history.

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I would have to say some of the so call Buddhists hardcore here can not tolerate Christian aggressiveness.

I say don't be upset when you seen Christians trying to recruit new members. If you are Buddhist than you know you don't control the live of the person those Christian are trying to convert. Instead why don't you go out and spread the word of Dhamma to counter Christians.

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Lan_Xang wrote:

I would have to say some of the so call Buddhists hardcore here can not tolerate Christian aggressiveness.

I say don't be upset when you seen Christians trying to recruit new members. If you are Buddhist than you know you don't control the live of the person those Christian are trying to convert. Instead why don't you go out and spread the word of Dhamma to counter Christians.



If your comments were actually directed at me then, I must tell you that I am not anywhere close to being a hardcore Buddhist.  Honestly, I have not been in any temple for the last 20 years and maybe I should.  It would be more appropriate to describe myself as the Agnostic. I don’t lay my faith in any religion 100% unless it’s scientifically proven fact.I replied to the Anonymous poster who has an irrational concern about the disappearance of Lao people which is to me it’s more than hypothetical assumption. It does not matter how aggressive some Christian folks pursue their strategy to convert others, Laotian Buddhists will always be out number them simply because it is the main religion of the nation.

 

It would be less resentment and conflict if everybody respects other people’s faiths, but unfortunately Christianity chooses the policy of conversion and I am sure you are very well aware of that.  You can’t simply convert someone without trying to refute their traditional beliefs and desecrating their religions and later leads to hatred then outright discrimination among citizens. Let me put it this way: There is no such thing as  “Innocent Conversion” I am not saying Christianity is evil; realistically, most religions are taught based on love, caring and sharing.  But this is beyond the point.

 

 



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Kioda wrote:

Félicitation BruceLaoMan !
I agree with you 150 %. For more understanding Laos see as often as you can about events of Laos or www.champalao.info .
Ciao !



Thanks for sharing with me the site; it’s beautiful.  And as a result, it always perplexes me if Laos is actually better than it was prior to 1975. I hope they are moving in the right direction. I had become so discouraged after I learned that Laos is ranked 133 (?) in the world. Nonetheless, I am not putting back or giving up my hope to see some types of progress being made in our country. 





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Look around my city, the churches have Korean sign everywhere. I would say only <1% of Kon Lao that got converted are trying to live like they're American. They try to fit in, only to find out that no matter what they do, they will still be asked liked " where are you from?". Lao people in the USA practice Buddhism, but we don't go around converting people. We don't cause any trouble.

 



Thats a rather naive comment, just because people convert to christianity or whatever religion that associates "Jesus", doesn't mean they're trying to live an American lifestyle. Being Christian or whatever doesn't mean you 'fit in' in America.

Lao, Thai, Chinese, ASIAN people in general that I have met and asked why they have 'converted' usually attribute their conversion to an epiphany in life. And many Lao/Burmese people, as you know when Pathet Lao took over, fled to refugee camps. And a very large majority came to America via "Hosts through Churches", some remained Buddhists and most converted because of the "kind-heart church people had," that they took them in.

This is the most common story I tend to hear with Christian-Asians. And no- noone was 'forced to convert' - that only happens with those hardcore people, and those who have the mindset of 18th/19th century person.

and for the record, religions in America don't distinguish or seperate people in America, it's what you do and your status. Relgion in no way elevates/decreases your social status. I have a bunch of aethiest and buddhist friends, even muslim, and we're all close friends, religion is just something to explain the unexplainable, to 'have faith and believe in something'. whereas if you're a science-buff then you're more than likely an aethiest.. i could go on and on.. but I think I've made my point.



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Lao people in Vientiane

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Chritians never illegal in Laos but the bad people who follow Christians were illegal.

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I as for 1 is a Lao born Catholics, where i live in lao is a small island village off the main land of lao, we all born and practices Catholic religion, If u don't know the fact please don't post something so idiototic because no one is forcing another person to practice any religion that they don't want to get into, if u live in Australia or USA, u will be open minded that there are alot of different religions where everyone belong to an individual group or religion of their own choosing not by force but yeah off course u will get occasionally a small group who would like to spread their religion to the world or other people but if u have a strong believe in ur religion then stay as a buddist or catholic, don't get persuate by the cults or preacher who like to turn u into something u don't want to. But don't judge people on which religion they belong to. I am a born Catholic but my husband is a buddist but we don't force each other over 1 religion to another. This is an era of 2000, please be open minded and willing to accept people as who they are not which religion they are.....Not everyone is willing to believe in the same thing as everyone.... Let there be peace in this world.....I know some people live in a communist reigme but let people who wants to practice which religion of their own choice, not by force. tq

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True or fiction about the allegation we don't know for sure.

I never heard Lao Catholic having problem with Lao government. While Catholic is a Christian religion but it is not like other non denomination Christian branch. This non denomination Christian church is very aggressive in their recruitment. Catholic does not go around trying to persuade people to join the Church unlike other Christian. ( I am refering to the recent time. I know Catholic missionary in the past had done the same thing what these Christians are doing)

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Hey Bruce, I found this blog. You will love this article.
You going to get a kick out of it after you read it.
Be sure to read the entire story.

FISH WITH TRISH (These people really care about us Buddhist)

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Lan_Xang wrote:

Hey Bruce, I found this blog. You will love this article.
You going to get a kick out of it after you read it.
Be sure to read the entire story.

FISH WITH TRISH (These people really care about us Buddhist)



Thank you and I will read it for sure at work tomorow. It's getting late now and I need to sleep. I will give you my feedback.



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Lan_Xang wrote:

Hey Bruce, I found this blog. You will love this article.
You going to get a kick out of it after you read it.
Be sure to read the entire story.

FISH WITH TRISH (These people really care about us Buddhist)



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I checked the site you referred me to and I read the whole thing. Yes, I am delighted with the positive comments until the last paragraph. Below is what bothers me:

(The children were absolutely sweet and hospitable. Yet, there was a sad reality to the existence in the Buddhist compound. The place was demonic and leading these people straight to Hell, while the illusion of a pious simple life blinded them to their sin against the God of Israel.)

It is quite absurd for her to claim the place was demonic and piously blinded people straight to their sin against the God of Israel.  She is for sure a Jewish or a Christian freak based on her overt desecration of the Buddhist temple. She should not ever be allowed to enter the area again.



-- Edited by BruceLao at 04:12, 2008-08-16

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