SEA Games in Laos on the verge of cancellation

BruceLao4LIfe · Member

SEA Games in Laos on the verge of cancellation

SeeHarHed · Guru

thanks for sharing the info. i still can't believe they cut half of the sports from last year and still thinking about cancel the event.

i hope they can put their act together and put on a good show. anyone know if the main stadium is close to be finish yet? what about the new golf course?

Date: Sep 4, 2008

ไทยช่วย90ล้าน ซีเกมส์ลาว สบายใจหายห่วง

นายวีระศักดิ์ โควสุรัตน์ รัฐมนตรีว่าการกระทรวงการท่องเที่ยวและกีฬา ได้นำคณะผู้บริหารของกระทรวงการท่องเที่ยวและกีฬา เดินทางไปยังกรุงเวียงจันทน์ สาธารณรัฐประชาธิปไตยประชาชนลาว เพื่อร่วมประชุมกับ ดร.พูทอง แสงอาคม รัฐมนตรีประจำสำนักนายกรัฐมนตรี และประธานคณะกรรมการโอลิมปิกแห่งชาติลาว เกี่ยวกับการที่ประเทศไทยให้ความช่วยเหลือลาวในการจัดกีฬาซีเกมส์ ครั้งที่ 25 ปี พ.ศ. 2552 เมื่อวันที่ 1 ก.ย. ที่ผ่านมา

หลังการประชุม นายวีระศักดิ์กล่าวว่า หลังจากที่คณะรัฐมนตรีของไทยได้อนุมัติเงินช่วยเหลือลาวจัดซีเกมส์ 90 ล้านบาท ครั้งนี้จึงได้มาทำความเข้าใจกับทางลาวว่าเป็นการช่วยเหลือในส่วนของการปรับปรุงสนามที่เวียงจันทน์เท่านั้น แบ่งเป็นงบประมาณปรับปรุงและก่อสร้างสนามภายในกรุงเวียงจันทน์ 84 ล้านบาท และงบประมาณในการพัฒนาบุคลากร เช่น ผู้ฝึกสอน เจ้าหน้าที่ ผู้ตัดสิน เป็นเงิน 6 ล้านบาท นอกจากนี้ ยังได้แต่งตั้ง น.ส.ศศิธารา พิชัยชาญณรงค์ ปลัดกระทรวงฯ เป็นผู้ประสานกับหน่วยงานต่างๆในไทย หากลาวต้องการติดต่อในเรื่องใดๆก็ตาม ส่วนกรณีที่ทางลาวจะยืมอุปกรณ์ กีฬาของไทยที่เคยใช้ในซีเกมส์ ครั้งที่ 24 มาใช้จัดซีเกมส์ ครั้งที่ 25 ได้มอบให้นายกนกพันธุ์ จุลเกษม ผู้ว่าการการกีฬาแห่งประเทศไทย (กกท.) ดูแลในเรื่องนี้ ก่อนส่งมอบอุปกรณ์ไปยังลาว

“มีการปรึกษากับ ดร.พูทองด้วยว่า หากทางลาวอยากจะให้ไทยช่วยอะไรเพิ่มเติมก็ขอให้บอกมา รวมไปถึงการให้ จ.หนองคาย หรืออุบลราชธานี ได้ช่วยจัดกีฬาบางชนิดในรอบแรกๆ ก็สามารถทำได้เช่นกัน” นายวีระศักดิ์กล่าว

ขณะที่ ดร.พูทองกล่าวว่า การเดินทางมาในครั้งนี้ของไทยแสดงให้เห็นถึงความสัมพันธ์ระหว่างไทยกับลาวที่มีอย่างแนบแน่นเช่นเดิม ต้องขอขอบคุณที่ให้ความช่วยเหลือ ซึ่งลาวหวังว่าการเป็นเจ้าภาพกีฬาซีเกมส์จะพบกับความสำเร็จดังที่ตั้งใจไว้

ทั้งนี้ ก่อนการประชุมคณะของทั้ง 2 ฝ่ายได้เดินทางไปดูการปรับปรุงสนามกีฬาแห่งชาติลาว (สนามเก่า) ที่จะใช้แข่งฟุตบอล จากนั้นเดินทางไปดูสนามเทนนิส นอกจากนี้ หลังการประชุมเสร็จสิ้น คณะของทั้ง 2 ฝ่าย ยังได้เดินทางไปดูสนามกีฬาแห่งใหม่ของลาวที่ตั้งอยู่ห่างจากตัวเมืองออกไป 16 กม. ซึ่งทางการจีนได้เป็นผู้ออกค่าใช้จ่ายให้ โดยมีทั้งสนามกีฬากลาง ความจุ 3 หมื่นที่นั่ง ที่จะใช้สำหรับพิธีเปิดและปิด สนามเวโลโดรม โรงยิมเนเซียม สระว่ายน้ำ สนามกอล์ฟ ซึ่งทุกสนามมีรูปแบบที่ทันสมัย และการก่อสร้างก็รุดหน้าไปมากทีเดียว

http://thairath.co.th/news.php?section=sports&content=102716

Date: Sep 4, 2008

Laos is too poor to host the SEA Games. Many SEA countries members are not happy for Laos, the host country, doesn't have enough facilities and officials to hold the games and thus their athletes don't have any chances to participate in the games. Poor Laos.

khonthakek · Guru

you are you Lao? what kind of food do you offer to your guest when the guest visit your home?

example: a poor family

I am 100% sure that you will offer the Chicken shop or Lap sin & Lap Pa to the guests even thought it s not easy for you to get those foods, but for the warm welcome and your face, you probably borrow money from your friend to buy the food and beer.

Date: Sep 5, 2008

It will be a sad news if Laos could not host the SEA game 2009. As we may know well the status of our country as a poorest country in SEA, however, it does not mean we could not do anything. we can obviously see for Laos hosting ASEAN summit few years ago....I believe prior the summit, many people questioned that could Laos be a good host...or was Laos ready to build such infrastructure, meeting venue, etc. Finally, Laos could show us that a small country could serve as a good host as well as other big ASEAN countries if concerned authorities, ASEAN members and Lao people were united as one.

I hope SEA game is a challenge for Laos, but i hope we can achieve the goal if concerned Lao goverment, private companies, Intl organization, ASEAN members and all Lao people help and contrinute effort and energy as well as financial resource and human capital for this event...Laos can do it.

Let's cheer for Laos as a goos SEA game host in 2009 biggrin

! ZuZU LAos

Lan_Xang · Guru

I have said it before and I will say and keeping saying it again.
Laos PDR have no business hosting huge, international size, events such as this.
It does not have the finance, human capacity or infrastructure to support something like this.

YES YES YES YES. The money that will bring is great. If it is done right. But if it is not, Laos PDR will be a laughing stock of the entire ASIA.

TSP · Senior Member

Without doubt that Laos would be able to host the SEA Games 2009. Nothing cannot stop the move. Lao government and Lao people would try their best to reach this ambitious goal.

There is no any success on earth wouthout fighting to get it. It would be stupid, if Laos would wait until the day when Laos is rich to host this Games.

Date: Sep 5, 2008

I really wonder why our country don't have an accounting statement(ບົດວິພາກເສດຖະກິດ) in each project.
we always made the same mistake again and again,
never learn and try to improve from those mistakes.
It's no any metter for us to discussion that being the host of
SEAGAME is good or bad.if we have the good and correct
accounting statement you will know how much will you
earn from being the host , should be or should not be...
for this time also the same mistake that done without any
plan before and try to excuse the mistake of decision later.
victim is resident who is innocent and has no power,
they have to lost their lands for the government's wrong decision ,
with low pay.
I won't say nothing if the LAO government is pay enough for residents
or use goverment's land to respond their mistake. it's unfair for them.
think about people who lost their land for the seagame and get the
low pay.
If the Lao government really make it fair for residents they should
open the information and report how much that they pay back for them. we well known that the lao government just keep quiet and run everything by forcing.
before discussion about Lao is ready to be the host of SEAGAME or not,
should discussion that does the Lao government fair for the victims or not
they don't do anything wrong, they just plant rice, working hard with their
daily life, but they have to lost their land just because the government's wrong
desicion without any plan. if you were the victims and for your whole life you have only 1 land that from your hard working but is robed, what will you feel?
to Lao government and lao people who support this project, if you have a little
bit of kindness, just make it fair for them. don't just make a flower report
and say everyone happy with the paying.
you let the China Company paid for them just 1m2 per 3,000 Kip, my question is if you were them will you happy for the paying and where can u buy the land
from the price? how could they buy any land to live as the old one?

TSP · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

I really wonder why our country don't have an accounting statement(ບົດວິພາກເສດຖະກິດ) in each project.
we always made the same mistake again and again,
never learn and try to improve from those mistakes.
It's no any metter for us to discussion that being the host of
SEAGAME is good or bad.if we have the good and correct
accounting statement you will know how much will you
earn from being the host , should be or should not be...
for this time also the same mistake that done without any
plan before and try to excuse the mistake of decision later.
victim is resident who is innocent and has no power,
they have to lost their lands for the government's wrong decision ,
with low pay.
I won't say nothing if the LAO government is pay enough for residents
or use goverment's land to respond their mistake. it's unfair for them.
think about people who lost their land for the seagame and get the
low pay.
If the Lao government really make it fair for residents they should
open the information and report how much that they pay back for them. we well known that the lao government just keep quiet and run everything by forcing.
before discussion about Lao is ready to be the host of SEAGAME or not,
should discussion that does the Lao government fair for the victims or not
they don't do anything wrong, they just plant rice, working hard with their
daily life, but they have to lost their land just because the government's wrong
desicion without any plan. if you were the victims and for your whole life you have only 1 land that from your hard working but is robed, what will you feel?
to Lao government and lao people who support this project, if you have a little
bit of kindness, just make it fair for them. don't just make a flower report
and say everyone happy with the paying.
you let the China Company paid for them just 1m2 per 3,000 Kip, my question is if you were them will you happy for the paying and where can u buy the land
from the price? how could they buy any land to live as the old one?

Well, it's a good intention for Lao people. But from what you wrote, I undertand that it's just your opinion. You don't know a reality. You have no any evidences to support your claim. You just suspect, I guess.

However, I do believe that those people, who were relocated, were compensated with reasonable properties long time ago.

In addition, I would advise you learn more about Lao law in connection with land. You will know well how Lao government do with the land owners.

I have a doubt about your knowledge of our Lao history. If you know this you would not have a doubt on the good will of our Lao government.

Date: Sep 5, 2008

you wrong Mr TSP
I 'm one of the victim that's why i know what have happent in real
i went to listen what the government stuff have talked by my ears.
you live in out country so you don't know what is going on.
if you don't trust my talking when u visit lao on vocation
you can go to ask residents who live in Ban KOK Noi, ban Kok Yai...
8 villages (i don't remember all the name).
prove it by your ears! just remember what i said.

Date: Sep 5, 2008

on your view what deos the hero mean?
the person who fight for people and won in the war, but
after the long way they have sold and
have taken every thing from country
can we call those people is hero?
nothing different with america, france or sayarm had done
to us.
you should think hard about what the reality is, not just
listen what they have told you.

Date: Sep 5, 2008

one more thing Mr. TSP,
you learn from the history which wrote by the
LAO Government. the person who won in the
war is a hero. i doupt your view on it either.
find out by yourself, if you have internet on hand
and think hard by your brain and read alot!
don't be a blind at all. don't just follow what they have
said, you should have your own idea.
i have seen only, how much that they have taken
from country, selling gold, rob lands from residents,
lot of corrubtion, cutting forest, even bring china people coming
to country, how much it will enough? did you open your eyes?
or just close your eyes and let them take your hand to walk?

Date: Sep 5, 2008

1. who made the law?
2. whose country? government's country? or lao people's country?
3. do the government can do everything that they want? even the
acting is hurting people, and the action same as sell country.
blind people just follow what other said, cleaver people always
have a question and find out by themself!!!!

Date: Sep 5, 2008

To who posted about lao Sea Game Cancellation.. Where did you get this information? i'm just finished watch Lao Alun Wanh Mail News today 9/5/2008. They did not mention about cellation the sea game. Also they talk Lao will Host the Sea game in 2009 and everything going to get ready and training. More people from Neighbore will be help lao for this event.

Well' if you are the Member of thaitv.tv then you can watch lao news everyday. morning, afternoon and evening news...

that's what belive...

Date: Sep 5, 2008

all those are own by goverment they tell what to report. Lao don't even have good hospital for the high ranking official. if the other goverment want to kill those goverment official they just pay doctor in thailand to put them to sleep and it this.

Date: Sep 6, 2008

Where did you guys getthis newsfrom? I looked aroun www.vientianemai.net and KPL website I did not find any news.
Is it hoax or joke?

TSP · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

you wrong Mr TSP
I 'm one of the victim that's why i know what have happent in real
i went to listen what the government stuff have talked by my ears.
you live in out country so you don't know what is going on.
if you don't trust my talking when u visit lao on vocation
you can go to ask residents who live in Ban KOK Noi, ban Kok Yai...
8 villages (i don't remember all the name).
prove it by your ears! just remember what i said.

Well I do accept your point. I also do feel sympathy you and familly about the fact that you had to relocate to the new place or you just lost your old land and have gotten new land.

However, from what I learnt from world practice no people in any country can keep their land forever when it comes to the government projects. People have to sacrifice their lands for government's needs. According to the Lao law, Lao people have no right to own land, but they have rights to use their lands as long as your land doesn't fall to government project.

By the way, judging from your statement, I feel that you now are not in Laos as well. You forgot the villages names. Don't you?

-- Edited by TSP at 03:54, 2008-09-06

Date: Sep 6, 2008

TSP wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

you wrong Mr TSP
I 'm one of the victim that's why i know what have happent in real
i went to listen what the government stuff have talked by my ears.
you live in out country so you don't know what is going on.
if you don't trust my talking when u visit lao on vocation
you can go to ask residents who live in Ban KOK Noi, ban Kok Yai...
8 villages (i don't remember all the name).
prove it by your ears! just remember what i said.

Well I do accept your point. I also do feel sympathy you and familly about the fact that you had to relocate to the new place or you just lost your old land and have gotten new land.

However, from what I learnt from world practice no people in any country can keep their land forever when it comes to the government projects. People have to sacrifice their lands for government's needs. According to the Lao law, Lao people have no right to own land, but they have rights to use their lands as long as your land doesn't fall to government project.

By the way, judging from your statement, I feel that you now are not in Laos as well. You forgot the villages names. Don't you?

-- Edited by TSP at 03:54, 2008-09-06

what did you learn from other country? you don't learn any good thing from
other country. if government has project , they will go to explain the content
first, and ask premission from residents and find new place or new living
and have to satisfy their need. if government could not satisfy their need the project will stop. did you know about it? might not
for the vilages name , you can go to ask people at ບ້ານໂຄກນ້ອຍ,ໂຄກໃຫຍ່....
and the village near The seagame stadium.
the news Lao Government do not open it just doing quietly, just ask people
who lives in the villages to listen their talk and sign for them, so they can make
a flower report, people can't say nothing because they are afraid. you don't know and don't see what the stuff said to people who have to lost their land.
when they asked what should i do with my house and how much that they will pay for, the government stuff said just go to ask Chinese.
you can doupt my talk, but think by your brain, make a question and findout
by yourself. remember this sentenses:
brainless people just follow what people said cleaver people will just listen, make a question and findout by their ownself!.
my question to you: who made the law? whose country? do they can
do and take everything from country just because they used to done the war? what the hero is really mean? should we call and respect them as a hero? look at the reality what have happen in our country now. i believe that you are smart
and have education , please ask yourself will you work for the government or
work for LAO people!
just sharing some informations you don't have to trust it at first, come back listen people talk, look at teenager and society and think hard, WHY and HOW
Mr TSP. find out by yourself!

TSP · Senior Member

Committee assesses SEA Games preparation

The Lao National Sports Committee (LNSC) has accomplished the goals set for the previous three months of preparation for the 25 th SEA Games to be held in Vientiane next year.

At the Prime Minister's Office on Friday, the national sports committee held a meeting to summarise its work and plan its tasks for September to December.

Standing Deputy Prime Minister and Chairman of the 25 th SEA Games Organising Committee Somsavat Lengsavad and senior officials attended the meeting.

Mr Somsavat said Laos had been given a great honour in hosting the SEA Games. The event would serve to strengthen the country and boost solidarity.

He suggested the committee should set out clear plans for assistance and cooperation with other countries.

From September to December, the sports committee will cooperate with Singapore to prepare for the event.

The Vietnamese government will assist with the installation of IT systems and electronic equipment in the new football stadium and the indoor stadiums to be used in the games.

The national sports committee will hold a Miss SEA Games beauty pageant and will build a digital clock in Vientiane to mark the countdown to the games. The time will run from December 31 this year until the opening ceremony of the games in December 2009. The clock is to be sponsored by the Lao Brewery Company.
The Thai Tourism and Sports Ministry will spend about 21.3 billion kip (84 million baht) to renovate the national football stadium, tennis courts and the sports department's indoor stadium.

The ministry will also pay about 1.5 billion kip (6 million baht) towards the training of LNSC officials, as well as referees and athletes.

The committee will also receive assistance through cooperation with doping control staff from Vietnam and Thailand .
At the end of this year, the committee will open the sports training centre and athletes' accommodation in Vientiane , to be built with assistance from the Vietnamese government.
The Lao football, judo, karatedo, wushu, wrestling, pencak silat, swimming and diving teams are currently training in Vietnam .

Also in the past three months, committee officials improved their skills at the Lao-Singapore Cooperation Centre in June and planted 500 trees around the new football stadium.

In May, the committee held discussions on work plans for the games including accommodation, food, decoration of the city, tourism, traffic, telecommunications and other work.

The committee asked the Olympic Committee of Asia and the competition organising committee of the SEA Games to assist in running the games.

Athletes' accommodation is under construction at the National University of Laos, assisted by the Vietnamese government.

Last July, the committee visited Incheon district in the Republic of Korea , where district officials provided them with sports equipment worth more than 3.5 billion kip (US$405,000).

When Lao government officials attended the Olympic Games in China last month, they signed an agreement for SEA Games cooperation with the Chinese government in Beijing . The Lao wushu and shuttle**** teams will attend training in China ahead of the games.

Singapore helped with tourism promotion for the games last month. This month it will work on business communication for the games and next month plans to assist with hospitality management.

The new football stadium where the opening and closing ceremonies of the games will take place is 65-80 percent complete, the indoor stadium is 90 percent complete, the petanque field is 80 percent complete and the taekwondo court is 95 percent complete.

Vientiane Times.

-- Edited by TSP at 07:31, 2008-09-09