A dam shame?

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

A dam shame?

Date: Sep 24, 2008

Buk Bruce, you just can't stay away at least 12-24 hrs from this Webboard without posting something in here, huh !!!

You're always looking for something negative about Laos, and not be able to sleep. And you decide it's necessary to post it here.

Shame ON you !!You must not have anything else better to do.

I'll follow your ugly smelly a** until you stop (which I think you won't do) badmouth about Laos or her government. You got that?

Date: Sep 25, 2008

Yeah, he is what you have characterized it.

eta rap · Veteran Member

Anonymous wrote:

Buk Bruce, you just can't stay away at least 12-24 hrs from this Webboard without posting something in here, huh !!!
You're always looking for something negative about Laos, and not be able to sleep. And you decide it's necessary to post it here.
Shame ON you !!You must not have anything else better to do.
I'll follow your ugly smelly a** until you stop (which I think you won't do) badmouth about Laos or her government. You got that?

hey kid

i think you are a narrow minded person. If you don't like Bruce's article i think you should stay away, you shouldn't come up to say bad words to him.
I don't see that he said negative words about the Lao Government, this article was up for discussion among our people.
Read Bruce's article again, okay.
For me I am so sad and worried to see Lao being exploit by the foreigners.

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Buk Bruce, you just can't stay away at least 12-24 hrs from this Webboard without posting something in here, huh !!!
You're always looking for something negative about Laos, and not be able to sleep. And you decide it's necessary to post it here.
Shame ON you !!You must not have anything else better to do.
I'll follow your ugly smelly a** until you stop (which I think you won't do) badmouth about Laos or her government. You got that?

Since when I give a fukk about you bitch. You can go eat sh1t and die. I won't have a tear over your brainless monkey. It's no wonder you have been hiding behind the curtain and that's what dumb b1tch like you would do.

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Yeah, he is what you have characterized it.

Fukk you and don't tell me you are the same b1tch.

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

eta rap wrote:

hey kid i think you are a narrow minded person. If you don't like Bruce's article i think you should stay away, you shouldn't come up to say bad words to him.
I don't see that he said negative words about the Lao Government, this article was up for discussion among our people.
Read Bruce's article again, okay.
For me I am so sad and worried to see Lao being exploit by the foreigners.

A female dog has no ball and toothless, so it is normal for her to hide her b1tch- looking face behind the curtain. I could care less about this imbecile and I enjoy beating her down every time she barks at me.

khonthakek · Guru

I don't see that he said negative words about the Lao Government, this article was up for discussion among our people.
Read Bruce's article again, okay.
For me I am so sad and worried to see Lao being exploit by the foreigners.

Yeah, you are right!!
some anonymous are really annoying, Why the hell they keep attacking Bruce? i don' think there s some thing wrong or against the GOL regarding to the topic.

Date: Sep 25, 2008

Buk Bruce, Buk Idiot like you will always be an idiot. You must be born from a stink a** **** hole, and that's why it smells so bad.

Study (If you think you're real educated dude) yourself hard, look at the mirror more than once, then look at the subject you've found, then think about it a thousand times before you decide to copy & paste and post it here. Remember, most of the readers here aren't dumb like you. You got thar ???

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

khonthakek wrote:
I don't see that he said negative words about the Lao Government, this article was up for discussion among our people.
Read Bruce's article again, okay.
For me I am so sad and worried to see Lao being exploit by the foreigners.

Yeah, you are right!!
some anonymous are really annoying, Why the hell they keep attacking Bruce? i don' think there s some thing wrong or against the GOL regarding to the topic.

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Because it is so convenient to attack people behind the curtain and like I said, only toothless-female dog like her would do that. Her bite could not even make feel itchy.

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Buk Bruce, Buk Idiot like you will always be an idiot. You must be born from a stink a** **** hole, and that's why it smells so bad.
Study (If you think you're real educated dude) yourself hard, look at the mirror more than once, then look at the subject you've found, then think about it a thousand times before you decide to copy & paste and post it here. Remember, most of the readers here aren't dumb like you. You got thar ???

Looking at myself in the mirror, I am always a handsome man and unlike you a true son of an ugly brainless b1tch. I hope you can live with that because it is what you are.

Date: Sep 25, 2008

The topic headline: "A dam shame" ?
If you haven't done yet, please visit this website:

http://www.namtheun2.com/

Date: Sep 25, 2008

when others want to build things like dams, mines, coal power plants, etc, in your country, don't you wonder what reasons they have for not building them in their own country? if such projects really have minimal environmental impact & can bring so many benefits, why aren't they keeping it within their country so that their own citizens can enjoy all the benefits? there are still plenty of poor people (more than the entire population of Laos) in China...

at the rate this is going, won't be surprised if Thailand, China, etc start building nuclear power plants in Laos to supply electricity to them ;)

10,000-15,000 lives don't matter to those in power, they can easily be sacrificed 'for the sake of the majority'.

LAO SPY · Senior Member

BruceLaoMan wrote:

The article that criticizes about the damming project in Laos:
Lao Spy, with all due respect to your profession and since you are an engineer currently working for the government in the dam, what’s your take on this? Is this article too pessimistic? It sounds to me like is bad if no investment, but then it’s also bad when there is an investment. If the gain outweighs the lost then that’s the prize Lao government or any government is willing to pay right?

Environmental specialists and NGOs report that rivers are being ruined, fish stocks rapidly depleted, and thousands of villagers uprooted from their homes.
The World Bank and the Asian Development Bank have strongly pushed the Laotian government, with its meagre human resources, to open up their rivers to hydroelectric power (HEP) as the key to development.
Among the western and Chinese companies plundering the natural resources of Laotian waterways are Norwegian ones. Norway, which usually prides itself on respect for the environment and human rights, is not among the usual suspects of countries that ride roughshod over local communities and their livelihoods.

You don't expect Norway, with its record of stringent environmental standards at home, to be accused of flouting rules for environmental impact assessments (EIAs), ignoring dangers and ruining important rivers by cutting corners in dam construction. But that is exactly what it is doing through with its participation in the Theun-Hinboun Power Company (THPC) according to respected British scientist Dr Murray Watson, hired as an environmental specialist to implement the EIA under the control of a Norwegian consulting company Norplan.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/sep/24/energy.norway

Yes, no pain, no gain, it's really true. I do believe Lao government would not want to do either, if it has other choice to develop Laos. Like you have said earlier investment comes with bad and good things, I do agree with you.

But having said that Lao government and Lao experts do believe that we Lao people would gain more than lose. By doing so, Laos hopes to get out from the poorest countries' list in the world by 2020. Foreign experts also think so. That's why International communities do support Lao government action.

By the way, as for this article, in my opinion the author did not criticize Lao government much, but intended mainly to criticize Norwegian companies involved in dam investment in Laos. I think he himself has never been in Laos.

Yes, it’s true that different people can have different imagination. He can write whatever he thinks it suit for him, otherwise he would not get paid, I guess. Also, in our daily life if we believe all what people say, probably we would have to do nothing. We would be afraid of doing something bad or sin, which the smart people would never do, I suppose.

If you asked my opinion, I would say, Lao government is currently doing a good future for the sake of Lao people, including me as well.

-- Edited by LAO SPY at 05:09, 2008-09-25

Date: Sep 25, 2008

in my opinion in short term Lao will benefit greatly but in long term Lao will regret in some project . as u khow population of the world increase everyday demand for food have increase very rapidly . and agriculture land have reduce substantially . right now the impact of global warming still small lot of people still skeptical and ignore . but when the glacier melt away and that time temperature of ocean will increase very rapidly . hope we will not go after the life style beyond our own need but live within we need.

Date: Sep 25, 2008

I Spy: Can you say "lose instead of Loose" in your commentary?

But having said that Lao government and Lao experts do believe that we Lao people would gain more than loose.

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

LAO SPY wrote:

Yes, no pain, no gain, it's really true. I do believe Lao government would not want to do either, if it has other choice to develop Laos. Like you have said earlier investment comes with bad and good things, I do agree with you.

But having said that Lao government and Lao experts do believe that we Lao people would gain more than lose. By doing so, Laos hopes to get out from the poorest countries' list in the world by 2020. Foreign experts also think so. That's why International communities do support Lao government action.

By the way, as for this article, in my opinion the author did not criticize Lao government much, but intended mainly to criticize Norwegian companies involved in dam investment in Laos. I think he himself has never been in Laos.

Yes, it’s true that different people can have different imagination. He can write whatever he thinks it suit for him, otherwise he would not get paid, I guess. Also, in our daily life if we believe all what people say, probably we would have to do nothing. We would be afraid of doing something bad or sin, which the smart people would never do, I suppose.

If you asked my opinion, I would say, Lao government is currently doing a good future for the sake of Lao people, including me as well.
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· I just can’t comprehend how we can have a dam project without any consumption of the land and the replacement of people. The government needs to provide a reasonable compensation and accommodation for those who are affected. Sacrifices are part of the progressive process for any countries during a developing stage; otherwise, we can’t achieve anything if we live in fear. I know some of the environmentalists love to exaggerate their trepidation and their illustration shown on the books, magazines often fell short of corroboration, and they couldn’t come up with beneficial or practical alternatives. They tend to have problems with any of the following projects which I had copied and pasted them here for you:

Nuclear-Bad for the environment
Wave Power (Severn Scheme for example) Bad for the environment
On shore wind farms-Bad for the environment and birds
Off shore wind farms-See On shore wind farms
Solar-No bloody sun here (despite MMGW!)
Hydro-Bad for the environment
Coal-Must be bad for the environment.

-- Edited by BruceLaoMan at 05:58, 2008-09-25

LAO SPY · Senior Member

BruceLaoMan wrote:
The government needs to provide a reasonable
compensation and accommodation for those who are affected. Sacrifices are part of the progressive process for any countries during a developing stage; otherwise, we can’t achieve anything if we live in fear.

-- Edited by BruceLaoMan at 05:58, 2008-09-25

Yes, you are right. If you doubt on the reasonable compensation and accommodation for those people affected, you can visit the website which somone had posted earlier. You will know how good they have been taking care from the dam project. Nam Theun2 is the bigest dam in Laos, so far.

http://www.namtheun2.com/

Date: Sep 25, 2008

BruceLaoMan wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Buk Bruce, you just can't stay away at least 12-24 hrs from this Webboard without posting something in here, huh !!!
You're always looking for something negative about Laos, and not be able to sleep. And you decide it's necessary to post it here.
Shame ON you !!You must not have anything else better to do.
I'll follow your ugly smelly a** until you stop (which I think you won't do) badmouth about Laos or her government. You got that?

Since when I give a fukk about you bitch. You can go eat sh1t and die. I won't have a tear over your brainless monkey. It's no wonder you have been hiding behind the curtain and that's what dumb b1tch like you would do.

bruce i won't have any comment about your topic, cox people is have different idea on their view. but i will have a comment about your pic, don't use the god picutre to be your image picture, cox you are using dirty words and bad attitude sometimes as human is being.

Date: Sep 25, 2008

buk nah mah lao maerican pai tai sah sah tu, meaung hate ai bruce and jealous about him.

Anonymous wrote:

Buk Bruce, Buk Idiot like you will always be an idiot. You must be born from a stink a** **** hole, and that's why it smells so bad.
Study (If you think you're real educated dude) yourself hard, look at the mirror more than once, then look at the subject you've found, then think about it a thousand times before you decide to copy & paste and post it here. Remember, most of the readers here aren't dumb like you. You got thar ???

Date: Sep 25, 2008

Hoo khee buk nah mah, understand english yu bor? mee mah 2 toh jealous ai bruce yu website neeh. par kun pai tai sah.

Anonymous wrote:

Buk Bruce, you just can't stay away at least 12-24 hrs from this Webboard without posting something in here, huh !!!
You're always looking for something negative about Laos, and not be able to sleep. And you decide it's necessary to post it here.
Shame ON you !!You must not have anything else better to do.
I'll follow your ugly smelly a** until you stop (which I think you won't do) badmouth about Laos or her government. You got that?

eye_sky · Guru

dams contribute in two ways: one, helps in irrigating farm lands; two, if there's sufficient power, can be turned into a hydroelectric plant. all these will help the local community.

http://eye-in-the-blue-sky.blogspot.com/2008/09/my-dvd-shopping-frenzy-in-bangkok.html

Date: Sep 29, 2008

http://rspas.anu.edu.au/rmap/newmandala/2008/06/20/nam-theun-resettlement-an-entirely-predictable-stuff-up/

Nam Theun resettlement - an entirely predictable stuff-up

There was undoubtedly an initial improvement in resettler living standards following physical relocation to the new sites. The available evidence is that this has started to reverse...

Reversal occurred first in the Pilot Village (Ban Nong Boua) where the first resettlers arrived in 2002. During the next three years living standards improved but in 2007 they began to decline. Following their relocation, living standards and the quality of life also improved initially in the other villages because of the greatly improved standard of housing and a significant improvement in people’s health which is an important success associated with the NT2 Project. But an overall living standard decline now appears to be occurring in most villages and standards can be expected to stagnate or decline further during most of 2008.

Stagnation can be expected because of delayed implementation of the Project livelihood program. Further decline is likely if dam closure occurs as scheduled because, unlike the situation during 2007, resettlers will be unable to cultivate the drawdown area in rice during the 2008 rainy season, there is a continuing die-off of buffalos from disease and starvation in many villages and a gradual reduction in employment opportunities associated with the Project’s construction phase. (pages 11-12)...

Date: Sep 29, 2008

If the gain outweighs the lost then that’s the prize Lao government or any government is willing to pay right?

I think it should be the " price" Lao govenment or any government is willing to pay, right?

Date: Sep 29, 2008

No. That is still not correct. It should be like this: That is the gamble or the risk Lao governemt or any government is willing to take. right?

maribelle1226 · Senior Member

BruceLaoMan wrote:
Since when I give a fukk about you bitch. You can go eat sh1t and die. I won't have a tear over your brainless monkey. It's no wonder you have been hiding behind the curtain and that's what dumb b1tch like you would do.

hahah buk bluce! i love when you get mad! at first you sound totally sophisticated and articulate, then as soon as someone pisses you off, all hell breaks loose! aww

Date: Sep 30, 2008

maribelle126 welcome back do you still date thai boy? come on lao guys are good too if you know what i mean baby you think you re too good for lao boy or what? biggrin

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

maribelle1226 wrote:

hahah buk bluce! i love when you get mad! at first you sound totally sophisticated and articulate, then as soon as someone pisses you off, all hell breaks loose!

Ah hah, E maribelle my as$ you must expect me to keep my mouth shut when I am wrongfully accused. I hope you know you ain't no fukking princess in here. If you piss me off, I would say the same sh1t to you. LOL

-- Edited by BruceLaoMan at 22:49, 2008-09-30

Date: Sep 30, 2008

studpid, you want aid?

Anonymous wrote:

maribelle126 welcome back do you still date thai boy? come on lao guys are good too if you know what i mean baby you think you re too good for lao boy or what?

SJCALSBM3 · Senior Member

aids, not aid

SJCALSBM3 · Senior Member

vous des types devez calmer la baise vers le bas, seul maribelle de congé vous ?

maribelle1226 · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

studpid, you want aid?

Anonymous wrote:

maribelle126 welcome back do you still date thai boy? come on lao guys are good too if you know what i mean baby you think you re too good for lao boy or what?

studpid, you want engrish lesshon? and why does my personal life matter to you so much?

-- Edited by maribelle1226 at 01:21, 2008-10-02

maribelle1226 · Senior Member

SJCALSBM3 wrote:

vous des types devez calmer la baise vers le bas, seul maribelle de congé vous ?

je ne sais pas. en anglais sil vous plait? je ne peux pas parle en francis.

SJCALSBM3 · Senior Member

maribelle1226 wrote:

SJCALSBM3 wrote:

vous des types devez calmer la baise vers le bas, seul maribelle de congé vous ?

je ne sais pas. en anglais sil vous plait? je ne peux pas parle en francis.

lol.. comment se fait-il que vous sachiez écrire en français mais vous ne savez pas lire des Français ? Je sais vous savez que plus que vous savez... le lol

lol.. how come you know how to write in french but you don't know how to read french? I know you know more than you know... lol

maribelle1226 · Senior Member

merci beaucoup pour le translation. hehe. je compris tres tres tres petit. desolee. i have noone to practice with over here in vegas. lol.

and BRUCE sorry if i offended u. im not here to make friends, but i'm not here to make enemies either. so i'll just go ahead and apologize. i guess u were just frustrated after being attacked by the anonymous retards and it wasn't a good time for a joke.

bleh i don't care anymore.

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

maribelle1226 wrote:

and BRUCE sorry if i offended u. im not here to make friends, but i'm not here to make enemies either. so i'll just go ahead and apologize. i guess u were just frustrated after being attacked by the anonymous retards and it wasn't a good time for a joke. bleh i don't care anymore.

Hey, if I took it in a wrong way, then I too like to apologize; respect goes both ways between us and I have no harsh feeling towards you. Misunderstanding does occur from time to time; at least that’s what had happened to me. I am sure you’re aware of that. By the way, welcome back. You’d been gone for a while and the sudden disappearance of yours led me to believing that you needed a beauty rest. If that was true then, I couldn’t be so wrong to call you sleeping beauty. LOL

-- Edited by BruceLaoMan at 16:25, 2008-10-02

SJCALSBM3 · Senior Member

maribelle1226 wrote:

merci beaucoup pour le translation. hehe. je compris tres tres tres petit. desolee. i have noone to practice with over here in vegas. lol.

nous pourrions pratiquer avec l'un l'autre puisqu'on d'autre parle le rien de Français ici que vous êtes maribelle très futé, chaud et sexy, désolé je devons le mettre... lolz.

maribelle1226 · Senior Member

all i understand is chaud et sexy lol.

SJCALSBM3 · Senior Member

maribelle1226 wrote:

all i understand is chaud et sexy lol.

yes and you know it. lolz

here you go:

"we could practice with each other since no one else is talking french here. damn you know you are very smart maribelle, hot and sexy, sorry i have to put it in there".

sunnybounxeoui · Veteran Member

arigato gozaimas

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

SJCALSBM3 wrote:

yes and you know it. lolz

here you go:

"we could practice with each other since no one else is talking french here. damn you know you are very smart maribelle, hot and sexy, sorry i have to put it in there".

Dude! Chill out. Would you? You have not met her yet and you keep saying she is hot and sexy? My God!

Nah, I am just kidding. I think she is hot like you said LOL. Why don’t you ask her out in your French Language?

SJCALSBM3 · Senior Member

lolz... hey, i get to go to las vegas next month - work related... i am going to go there and stalk her...lolz... i have to go check out the digital tv signal at venetian hotel...

Maribelle, sortiriez-vous avec moi ? Vous savez que je vous serai bon.

BruceLaoMan · Senior Member

SJCALSBM3 wrote:
lolz... hey, i get to go to las vegas next month - work related... i am going to go there and stalk her...lolz... i have to go check out the digital tv signal at venetian hotel...

Maribelle, sortiriez-vous avec moi ? Vous savez que je vous serai bon.

Now, you got me jealous. If I think I have at least a ten-percent chance, I would give it a try lol, but I know she won’t give me any time of day. So, I’d better face the reality instead of lying to myself. LOL