Kon Issan come in all shades and color just like Lao people.  If you stay out in the sun, you will get dark.

Issan people of Thailand are ethnically Laotian. They use to be part of the Lan Xang Kingdom until the French gave away the land west of the Mekong River to the Siam (Thai) in the late 1800s I think. Correct me if Im wrong. Deuces!

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For me, they look different from real Lao people. I mean darker, and look more like Cambodian. I don't know.

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       Esan is the Thai citizen and Lao blood . I am Lao and was born in Laos but I have uncle and relative in Esan . It have been about over 300 years that are 30 generations under Thai rule , Esan are still second class citicizen in Thailand. Esan might think they are Tahi now because they have been taught Thai history that  lie about Esan and the  truth of their blood. Esan once used to be Laos. Thai also have a lot very similar to Laos from the langusge culture and words more than any nation on earth. We understand each other  compare to Vietnamese, Chinese, cambodia and Burmese. So there must have some thing in blood between Lao and Thai. But Thai had done painful history to Laos as you know.

 

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For me, they look different from real Lao people. I mean darker, and look more like Cambodian. I don't know.

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Esan is the Thai citizen and Lao blood . I am Lao and was born in Laos but I have uncle and relative in Esan . It have been about over 300 years that are 30 generations under Thai rule , Esan are still second class citicizen in Thailand. Esan might think they are Tahi now because they have been taught Thai history that  lie about Esan and the  truth of their blood. Esan once used to be Laos. Thai also have a lot very similar to Laos from the langusge culture and words more than any nation on earth. We understand each other  compare to Vietnamese, Chinese, cambodia and Burmese. So there must have some thing in blood between Lao and Thai. But Thai had done painful history to Laos as you know.

 

 

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Esan people isn't second class citicizen in Thailand the poor people is.

Thai didn't just tattoo Lao numbers but Thai did to every Thai as well just for the people management to fight with Burma. Otherwise Thai and Lao would have the same destiny as Shan people in Burma today. And it wasn't only Lao who digs the San Sab canal it was also Thai it's another way of pay duty. You say that Thai teachs lie about Thai history and why Lao teachs hate about Lao history.

Thai wouldn't defeat Lao by our own we got some helps from Esan.

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Issan people of Thailand are ethnically Laotian. They use to be part of the Lan Xang Kingdom until the French gave away the land west of the Mekong River to the Siam (Thai) in the late 1800s I think. Correct me if Im wrong. Deuces!

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Yes you are wrong about the history.

Isan is belong to Siam since Ayuthaya pepriod until the present period and in the reign Rama 5 of Siam. Our Lao was under Siamese Colonial for over 100s of years till French (some of stupid Lao called Hero) came into Lao. They got flighting between Siam and French but French won and ask Siam to give Lao and Cambodia to French buy using both French and Siam Maps which have to separate by the Mae Khong River from Lao but Siam still have some problem which effect till today with Cambodia-Thailand border in the present day. Such as Khao pa-vihan etc...

Siam have to cut these pieces of cake colonial lands(our Lao and Cambodia) to French!! Not french gave away right side of mae khong river to Thai.

I don't want you guys stuck in this stupid history in the past. Just want you guys to stand and make Lao being great country..not just only typing words from your keyboard but DOING is the most important!!

Scientist classify animals into Class, Family & Kingdom according their similarity. Below are some examples:

                                   Lao                    Esan                      Thai
Staple diet                 Sticky rice           Sticky rice               Normal rice
Language spoken      Lao                     Lao                        Thai
Ceremony                  Soo Kwan           Soo Kwan              Yad nam cung
Music                          Kan                    Kan                        Pee
Play                            Lum leung          Lum leung             Ri-kay

From the examples above, you can make a conclusion which group of people does Esan belong to. 

By the way, my grandmother was born in Nongkai, at home we eat kao nil, lalf, tum mak hiong, pion pa,  etc.  jung man mun sab e lee.

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Stuart187 wrote:

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Issan people of Thailand are ethnically Laotian. They use to be part of the Lan Xang Kingdom until the French gave away the land west of the Mekong River to the Siam (Thai) in the late 1800s I think. Correct me if Im wrong. Deuces!

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Yes you are wrong about the history.

Isan is belong to Siam since Ayuthaya pepriod until the present period and in the reign Rama 5 of Siam. 

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For your information, a large part of Issan was part of Lan Xang ever since the reign of King Fa Ngum. Not until the Thonburi-Chakri Dynasty (late 1700s) when Siam took control over Issan. Ayuthaya never own Issan, except Muang Khorat. Ayutthaya and Lan Xang were allies due to the treaty between the two kingdoms at Pha That Si Songhak.

 

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For me, they look different from real Lao people. I mean darker, and look more like Cambodian. I don't know.

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Don't forget park of Isan is border to Cambodia too.

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Stuart187 wrote:

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Issan people of Thailand are ethnically Laotian. They use to be part of the Lan Xang Kingdom until the French gave away the land west of the Mekong River to the Siam (Thai) in the late 1800s I think. Correct me if Im wrong. Deuces!

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You're right Stuart! Esan people are of Lao ethnicity. There is no denying that. The Isan people who live in Buriram, Surin, and Sisaket and part Cambodian and can even speak Cambodian. Some people in Pakse in Laos are mixed with Cambodian too. Wat Phu was made by the ancient Cambodians. They didn't finish it and went on to build the Angkor Wat. In Esan there are many different tribes like in Laos too and they have many dialects. For example, in Luoy, the people speak like people from Luang Prabang. The Lan Xang kingdom was great before but Lao people became divided and after that, they fell to the Thai. The Thai overcame because they united. Lao people have to learn from their mistake in the past because they are still divding themselves even to this day. Lao people all around the world have to come together and help each other. It's true that in Laos it is very diverse with many different tribes, and custums but it's time for Lao people to unite. Lao people all across the world right now the Thai people are becoming divded because of their government. This is the time for Lao people to rise up!

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Rising up for what? To ask Thailand to return Isan provinces to Lao? What did you really want to say, pardon me if I am too dumb to understand.

 

Don't worry the writer probably mean united Lao's country as a hole , I don't think he mean that Laos need an Isan back. we all known that Lao's peoples 're very peacefull peoples you known that. and i think he mean all Lao-nai/ Lao-nok need to sticks together, and build / educated lao 's people so that  no Idoits can come in and Devided the country as it was happended before,

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Esan people isn't second class citicizen in Thailand the poor people is.

Thai didn't just tattoo Lao numbers but Thai did to every Thai as well just for the people management to fight with Burma. Otherwise Thai and Lao would have the same destiny as Shan people in Burma today. And it wasn't only Lao who digs the San Sab canal it was also Thai it's another way of pay duty. You say that Thai teachs lie about Thai history and why Lao teachs hate about Lao history.

Thai wouldn't defeat Lao by our own we got some helps from Esan.

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So the majority of the Esan people are poor so you call the poor a second class.
What ever you like, I am lao  and I was born in Vientiane  so do my parents but grandparents and great grandparents and great great great  grandparent were born on the right side of Mekong river KongKai . I have family in both side of Mekong river as long as I have been told by my grandfather. We know dam well who are . There was no Esan at that time , only Laos and Siam . Laos respect and trust Siam as brother and good neighbor conutry .Then Siam stabed Laos in the back and made Laos a conlony for 100 of years untill the French came.  Siam took Lao people who trust and respect to be slaves. Laos never invade Siam . So that is not painful history to remember and we learn our lesson from that  never trust the Thai people . They are so sweet  but when you trust them they will stab you in the back. I don't mean for all Thai but most of them. Esan are different because we are the same people.

 

 

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I don't call the poor a second class but that's the way it is in Thailand and I'm sure in Laos aswell and many many place in the world. I don't know if Hmong is a second class in Laos or not but I think if you are poor no matter who you are Lao or Hmong you will be a second class.

about the stabing I don't know what were you talking about who stabing who. but Laos were under Thai since the late of Ayudthaya period to protect Laos from Burma. and Lanna as well the Kingdom that Lao keep saying that it is Lao yes Lanna once Lao but if I were you I won't say that Lanna is Lao no more because Lao abandon Lanna for more than 200 years that Lanna had to be under Burma and Lao do nothing it's the Thai who took Lanna back. and Lanna so grateful for that so Lanna is loyal to Thai ever since and do you see Thai burn down Lanna? No why because they are loyal to Thai.

and then Ayudthaya was broken because of Burmese and the Thonburi era has come and asks Lao to be under Thonburi like it use to be back then in Ayudthaya but Lao refuse that why we were fighting.

and then Rattanakosin era has come and it was Jaoanu who stabed Thai in the back according to the letter from Luang Prabang so we were fighting again. Don't you see we never burn down Lanna or Luang Prabang because they are loyal to Thai we even return Prabang because Luang Prabang have shown some loyalty.

to me I don't see the different between Jao Fa Ngum and Jao Taksin they just tried to unite the Tai people togather for the strength.

 

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Scientist classify animals into Class, Family & Kingdom according their similarity. Below are some examples:

                                   Lao                    Esan                      Thai
Staple diet                 Sticky rice           Sticky rice               Normal rice
Language spoken      Lao                     Lao                        Thai
Ceremony                  Soo Kwan           Soo Kwan              Yad nam cung
Music                          Kan                    Kan                        Pee
Play                            Lum leung          Lum leung             Ri-kay

From the examples above, you can make a conclusion which group of people does Esan belong to. 

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If you said that, then south thailand should belong to malaysia too.

and  because of their similarity  maybe north should belong to... burmese?

So thailand only refer to  bangkok ppl



but think twice, because of their similarity maybe esan ppl can claim that lao belong to esan.

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if you hate thai but love French.i dont understand this reason of you.why you can love French.please explain ... i know some of you fight the french for independent of loas .but now a day you love french.if you love them where is the reason for hate thai.

open your eyes and tell me what is thai do the bad for you.

i was born at the north of thailand my grand grand mom come from Muang Kok (some small city in laos) the border of thai land half of me is lao. and i go to study at esan of thailand.so i had many esan friends.i saw that they dont be secound class ppl in thailand.we do what we need to do work at the good job ,erning good money,pay for what we need ,restpect other like they do for us.the esan new geration they are not poor.we had esan ,north,south priminister (now Mr Apisith he come from England Ha ha ha just kiding).

my teashcer teach me we use history to make a new day better than the past.dont use it to kill us again.i think they said true.

i love lao go to visit every my vocation time spend a good time at luangprabang,viantian,vangviang all laotian that i had talk with them they very friendly with me .i dont see who hate thai like on this website(or they fake? why?).

love you all.

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if you hate thai but love French.i dont understand this reason of you.why you can love French.please explain ... i know some of you fight the french for independent of loas .but now a day you love french.if you love them where is the reason for hate thai.

open your eyes and tell me what is thai do the bad for you.

i was born at the north of thailand my grand grand mom come from Muang Kok (some small city in laos) the border of thai land half of me is lao. and i go to study at esan of thailand.so i had many esan friends.i saw that they dont be secound class ppl in thailand.we do what we need to do work at the good job ,erning good money,pay for what we need ,restpect other like they do for us.the esan new geration they are not poor.we had esan ,north,south priminister (now Mr Apisith he come from England Ha ha ha just kiding).

my teashcer teach me we use history to make a new day better than the past.dont use it to kill us again.i think they said true.

i love lao go to visit every my vocation time spend a good time at luangprabang,viantian,vangviang all laotian that i had talk with them they very friendly with me .i dont see who hate thai like on this website(or they fake? why?).

love you all.

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We hate Thai not Essan because they put Laotian people down. I used to go Thai party when I was younger they kick out. Some Thai asked us who invited you here? Go home.  This party belongs strickly to my Thai people only since that I never went back. But Thai will not hate us if all Laotian people become doctor or lawyer. Hey I came from Muang Kong or kok too. My dad's father was Cambodian and his mother was Laotian. And on my mother side her father was born in Nongkia,Thailand and her mother was mixed with Viet's blood who was born in Parkse. Now, I am Laotian.  Proud to be Laos. You are kkk and I'm LLL(Laos). Nice to meet you!