US removes Laos, Cambodia from trade blacklist.

Laos2beLaos · Senior Member

US removes Laos, Cambodia from trade blacklist.

Date: Jun 13, 2009

it sounds good, Perhaps, investor will open the KFC and Mcdonald in vientiane very soon. congrats biggrin

Date: Jun 14, 2009

Please Don't give too much credit to Mr Obama's administration, This issues was stuck at the House and Senate 3-4 yrs ago. If they the congress try hard to send this policy to Mr Bush's 43 Desk and He would have sign and pass it long time ago..

BLM69 · Senior Member

Speak-out wrote:

Please Don't give too much credit to Mr Obama's administration, This issues was stuck at the House and Senate 3-4 yrs ago. If they the congress try hard to send this policy to Mr Bush's 43 Desk and He would have sign and pass it long time ago..

Hey! Speakout Brother, that’s great news I supposed. You are right it shouldn’t have taken Washington that long to remove this little kingdom from its trade blacklist if the cessation of Marxism and Leninism was the only ultimate cause of concern, because Lao PDR had actually ended the practice since 1986, but obviously not if they would also link the issue of presumptive persecution of Hmong people back home and without considerable circumstantial evidence to substantiate the claim, it would be unjust criticism. Hence, should Washington desire to compete for influence in Southeast Asia, the winner would be China and I truly believe America is quite aware of that. Any attempt by congress to propound political strategy for further consideration in adopting foreign policy towards Laos or Cambodia would be just a waste of time because the Chinese have long been a key proponent and a leading defender of Oriental culture with similarity in traditional values and they have the economy this time to prove it and to back it up.

It is to no secret that the Chinese has a discreet ambition to regain its lost glory and its government occasionally reminds the 1.3 billion people to cast back at a 5000-year-proud history. The prediction of China’s ascendancy to world premier superpower might eventually come true if it can peacefully retake Taiwan back to its fold. I really wonder though what average domestic Laotian people would say about the potential predominant power of Chinese and Americans or even Vietnamese in their homeland given their choice to preferences. I am sure majority of us are happy to see the glacial economic progress in Laos but at what cost? None of us has a real clue. But it would be wrong to decline any credit for Lao PDR. I think they earn it based upon the confluence of the reciprocal relations with other countries, the acceptance into ASEAN organization, the willingness from international community for continued economic aid, the acceptance of Lao students to study abroad and of course other assistance as well in different areas.

Realistically, can Lao PDR ever stack up against Cambodia in economical and political term assuming that Laos can be erased of a list of the poorest country in Asia if it continues governing under a one party state? If it can, at what rank would Laos be comparing to the Asian nations? Sometimes I doubt that Laos can, in economic prosperity surpass her neighboring Kampuchea though this would be just my own surmisable speculation but according to the accessible data from the World Bank, Laos is many steps behind other countries. Let’s all hope the hosting of SEA GAME gives Laos a boost economically in the new century. By the way, was there any presidential election prior to 1975? Please tell me so if you know.

Regards,

BruceLaoMan

-- Edited by BLM69 on Tuesday 16th of June 2009 01:33:19 AM

Date: Jun 16, 2009

Laos2beLaos wrote:

U.S. President Barack Obama removed Laos and Cambodia from a trade blacklist, opening the way for US loans to companies doing business in the former US adversaries.

The United States has been boosting ties with both Southeast Asian nations. But the decision on Laos was sharply criticized by campaigners for the country's Hmong minority, which says it faces persecution.

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U.S. opens trade with Laos & Cambodia.

Laos should get advance of this and improve the relationship with the US and the west and open free trade . The same way that China did with the US and the west few decades ago which made China economy strong today.

Date: Jun 16, 2009

What does it mean, Laos should get advance of this? Are you trying to say advantage?

Date: Jun 16, 2009

that is usa see the piece of cake and want to get some. if not usa will not open his mouth.

Date: Jun 16, 2009

BLM69 wrote:

Speak-out wrote:

Please Don't give too much credit to Mr Obama's administration, This issues was stuck at the House and Senate 3-4 yrs ago. If they the congress try hard to send this policy to Mr Bush's 43 Desk and He would have sign and pass it long time ago..

Hey! Speakout Brother, that’s great news I supposed. You are right it shouldn’t have taken Washington that long to remove this little kingdom from its trade blacklist if the cessation of Marxism and Leninism was the only ultimate cause of concern, because Lao PDR had actually ended the practice since 1986, but obviously not if they would also link the issue of presumptive persecution of Hmong people back home and without considerable circumstantial evidence to substantiate the claim, it would be unjust criticism. Hence, should Washington desire to compete for influence in Southeast Asia, the winner would be China and I truly believe America is quite aware of that. Any attempt by congress to propound political strategy for further consideration in adopting foreign policy towards Laos or Cambodia would be just a waste of time because the Chinese have long been a key proponent and a leading defender of Oriental culture with similarity in traditional values and they have the economy this time to prove it and to back it up.
It is to no secret that the Chinese has a discreet ambition to regain its lost glory and its government occasionally reminds the 1.3 billion people to cast back at a 5000-year-proud history. The prediction of China’s ascendancy to world premier superpower might eventually come true if it can peacefully retake Taiwan back to its fold. I really wonder though what average domestic Laotian people would say about the potential predominant power of Chinese and Americans or even Vietnamese in their homeland given their choice to preferences. I am sure majority of us are happy to see the glacial economic progress in Laos but at what cost? None of us has a real clue. But it would be wrong to decline any credit for Lao PDR. I think they earn it based upon the confluence of the reciprocal relations with other countries, the acceptance into ASEAN organization, the willingness from international community for continued economic aid, the acceptance of Lao students to study abroad and of course other assistance as well in different areas.
Realistically, can Lao PDR ever stack up against Cambodia in economical and political term assuming that Laos can be erased of a list of the poorest country in Asia if it continues governing under a one party state? If it can, at what rank would Laos be comparing to the Asian nations? Sometimes I doubt that Laos can, in economic prosperity surpass her neighboring Kampuchea though this would be just my own surmisable speculation but according to the accessible data from the World Bank, Laos is many steps behind other countries. Let’s all hope the hosting of SEA GAME gives Laos a boost economically in the new century. By the way, was there any presidential election prior to 1975? Please tell me so if you know.
Regards,
BruceLaoMan

If brother speak-out could not answer my questions, how about some of you, my beloved fellow Laotians? It would be nice for BLM to have some insight into Laos’ method of campaigning during any presidential elections prior to 1975. Please enlighten me.

Regards,

BruceLaoMan

Date: Jun 16, 2009

After I've read your Article. Man, you sound more like Conservative guy.But not a Repulican, Am I right ? You know Brther! I really believed anybody here in this Website can Answer your Question about the ( Election Prior 1975 ) well ! I would say Yes, We did. Let' me try my best Ok. After the Cease-fire had sign in Geneva on July,1954 one of the Souvanna Phouma first Acts was to renew contact with his Brther.( A red prince Souphanouvong) He took a plane to Khang Khay, a village on the Plain of Jars, and There two man had a cordial reunion after five years of seperation. they both talk about bring the Pathet Lao to joint a Royal Government,But the Pathet Lao were unwilling to take part in the general election for the country's unicamiral National Assembly, scheduled for 1955 by the geneva provision. seeking pretexts for boycotting the voting, the Pathet-Lao were demaned changs in the basic electoral law,including lowering the Qualifying Age for candidates from 30 to 25 and extendingthe franchiseto women, and continuance of their exclusive administration of Sam-neua and Phongsaly. and again the election were set again on May, 1958. and in the last 4 years fighting between Pathet-Lao and the Royal-government has been off and on and no major casualty. so in the election this time women would vote for the first time,satisfying a demand freqently advanced by the Pathet-Lao.. Thirteen Neo lao huk Sart (NLHS) Candidates ran in the elections, and Nine won.another 4 seats went to the Santiphab ( PEACE-PARTY) formed in 57 by Quinin Pholsena, a prot'ege' of Souvanna Phouma, and which favored establishing contacts with communist-Bloc countries. Thus, the "leftit" candidates has won a majorityof the seats contested. Even more revealing, the NLHS candidates had won in the widely scatered districts in both the North and the South. the Governmentforces had hopelessly weakened their cause by running Eighty-five candidates for the twenty-one seats at stake. Prince-Souphanouvong, who show-up at the voting tent in Vientiane wearing patent-leather shoes and a dapper business suit with a Kerchief tucked in his breast pocket,received 37,389 votes- more than any other candidate in the country. when the new members of the National Assembly conened a few days later, he was elected Chairman.. that's how it goes Brther, Let' me summary about the civil war in our country.It's war between the two brthers, One was a Red-Prince leftist, and the other was Right wing Prince, that's it...

Date: Jun 16, 2009

Oh I forgot to say before 1975, Our country has a constitution Monarchy,There was no President. Only Priminister and the King Kong sit on the throne, Oh i mean the King sit on the throne. I'm sorry!!!ha.ha... Hey brother(BLM69) I was too busy talked about our country. I forgot all about China, and Cambodia, maybe next time we can talk about Cambodia ok....

Date: Jun 16, 2009

I have just read this editorial in today's Bangkokpost.

Opinion » Opinion

EDITORIAL Shock move by White House

Published: 16/06/2009 at 12:00 AM

Newspaper section: News

The latest decision on Southeast Asia by US President Barack Obama is the second disturbing action by Washington affecting this region. Late last Friday, after the main news cycles for the week had elapsed, Mr Obama announced a major new policy initiative. The low-level statement that he was declaring Laos and Cambodia eligible for major US loans and trade concessions took the rest of the region by surprise.

The first visit to Southeast Asia by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton largely ignored the longest and strongest US allies. Now, the decision to give special treatment to Laos and Cambodia came as a bit of shock, including in Thailand.

Mr Obama's "determination" about each country was a brief official statement, posted at the White House media room and website. Such presidential determinations are legal obligations in many cases in the United States; these were the 20th and 21st of an early presidency. But as these statements showed, they are often "game changers" by the president. In these almost identical statements, Mr Obama declared that Laos and Cambodia are eligible to be beneficiaries of US Export-Import Bank loans for American businesses in those countries.

The reason, Mr Obama said, is that each "has ceased to be a Marxist-Leninist country".

Mr Obama was apparently not concerned with the nuances of Marxist evolution. It was mandatory to declare Laos and Cambodia were not communist countries in order to achieve his true goal - to provide millions, and perhaps billions, of investment capital for American businesses to set up, operate in and trade with the two neighbouring countries.

Mr Obama did not explain why he set this goal. Indeed, the manner of the announcement was to keep all questions and justification to a minimum.

This apparently was to stifle the negative reaction of political groups in the US who are appalled at the treatment of Hmong tribespeople by Laos.

A more important result, however, is that Mr Obama has created negative fallout in Thailand and the region.

The US Exim Bank rarely is involved with Thailand, and generally supports one-time sales rather than investment.

In 2003, it provided support for sales of Boeing 747 aircraft to Thai Airways International, and there are occasional cases where the bank has backed smaller deals. As the Thai economy has developed, the US Exim Bank has been an ever-smaller presence.

That is why Mr Obama's unexpected support for Laos and Cambodia disappointed many in Thailand. For years, Thai businesses have expanded into these countries. The overseas business expansion - ironically with the frequent support of the Exim Bank of Thailand - has been a major engine of Thai growth. This in turn has led to decreasing dependence upon foreign help and special programmes by Washington.

The sudden entry of the US Exim Bank into these Thai markets will affect Thai trade and the economy. By failing to warn and prepare Thai authorities and businesses, the Obama administration has created a shock that will have negative implications, at least at the start.

This problem could easily have been avoided had the White House warned of the coming decision and allowed time for diplomatic talks and business preparations. Failing to do so again begs the question of whether the United States is seriously engaged with its long-time allies in this region.

I am not anti-Thai or do I want to stir up negative feeling about Thailand. Thailand is not only Laos' neighbor but it is also Laos blood relative. This article however shows that there are still people influential in Thai society who regards Laos and Cambodia as part of its sphere therefore it has every right dominate. I am sure some Chinese and Vietnamese has the same thought but only Thai still has the audacity to come out and express it, just this article.

SeeHarHed · Guru

Well, I guess Obama does not forget his root. After all he probably consider himself as part asian since his mom married to asian man.

I suppose this is a very good news for Laos.

Date: Jun 17, 2009

SeeHarHed wrote:

Well, I guess Obama does not forget his root. After all he probably consider himself as part asian since his mom married to asian man.

I suppose this is a very good news for Laos.

Really his mother married to the Asain man ? Wow!!! I didn't know that . I thought , she married to the black man. Any way Laos should improve the relationship with the west and the US . Look at China 50 years ago , Chinese people used to be starved after the the US opened trade with China and invested in China so we could see how the Chinese economy today. Look at Cuba and north Korea are still poor and starved . Well, look at Japan and Germany also after the world war ll , they were broke and look at them now. That must be something that Laos must do with the west and the US. The US and the west are not going to send millions people to live in Laos like China and Vietnam . What do Laos have to lose , Laos have no oil , nothing for the American here in Laos but Laos need money and technology , medicine ....etc..from the US. I might be wrong .

Date: Jun 17, 2009

Anonymous wrote:

that is usa see the piece of cake and want to get some. if not usa will not open his mouth.

Would you please explain , I don't understand your comment about the piece of cake in his mouth so what do you mean by that? I don't see any thing that Laos have that the United States need from Laos ( no oil and nothing that the US need from Laos). Only thing I see that what the other way around that Laos need aid ( money) trade , technology ( education, knowledge), vaccin , medicine...etc..to benefit from the west and the US . Laos should be smart like China opened trade to the west and the US . few decades ago China used to be very poor and starved like north Korea so now look at China now. Because of the US made China economy strong today. Almost every things sold in the US are made in China even toy or American flag. Without the United States import and trade so you could image how much China is going to be hurt. Even a lot of investor from the US and the west for example the Wal-mart...etc... Just remember China economy is good but the Chinese people are still very poor and a lot of them are still under poverty ,just like the third world coutries. The truth that China try to hide, Olnly the communist party are rich and have good living. The fact is the fact that China try to hide to the world still need to be told.

Date: Jun 17, 2009

Well, Laos have nothing to lose but benefit , The United States are not going to send million and million American to live in Laos like Chinese and Vietname . Loas have no oil and any thing that America need. Laos is the one who need the US money , technology , vaccin and medicine...Just be smart like China and get rich or be stupid like north Korea and be poor.

BLM69 · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Well, Laos have nothing to lose but benefit , The United States are not going to send million and million American to live in Laos like Chinese and Vietname . Loas have no oil and any thing that America need. Laos is the one who need the US money , technology , vaccin and medicine...Just be smart like China and get rich or be stupid like north Korea and be poor.

I concur.

BLM69 · Senior Member

Speak-out wrote:

After I've read your Article. Man, you sound more like Conservative guy.But not a Repulican, Am I right ? You know Brther! I really believed anybody here in this Website can Answer your Question about the ( Election Prior 1975 ) well ! I would say Yes, We did. Let' me try my best Ok. After the Cease-fire had sign in Geneva on July,1954 one of the Souvanna Phouma first Acts was to renew contact with his Brther.( A red prince Souphanouvong) He took a plane to Khang Khay, a village on the Plain of Jars, and There two man had a cordial reunion after five years of seperation. they both talk about bring the Pathet Lao to joint a Royal Government,But the Pathet Lao were unwilling to take part in the general election for the country's unicamiral National Assembly, scheduled for 1955 by the geneva provision. seeking pretexts for boycotting the voting, the Pathet-Lao were demaned changs in the basic electoral law,including lowering the Qualifying Age for candidates from 30 to 25 and extendingthe franchiseto women, and continuance of their exclusive administration of Sam-neua and Phongsaly. and again the election were set again on May, 1958. and in the last 4 years fighting between Pathet-Lao and the Royal-government has been off and on and no major casualty. so in the election this time women would vote for the first time,satisfying a demand freqently advanced by the Pathet-Lao.. Thirteen Neo lao huk Sart (NLHS) Candidates ran in the elections, and Nine won.another 4 seats went to the Santiphab ( PEACE-PARTY) formed in 57 by Quinin Pholsena, a prot'ege' of Souvanna Phouma, and which favored establishing contacts with communist-Bloc countries. Thus, the "leftit" candidates has won a majorityof the seats contested. Even more revealing, the NLHS candidates had won in the widely scatered districts in both the North and the South. the Governmentforces had hopelessly weakened their cause by running Eighty-five candidates for the twenty-one seats at stake. Prince-Souphanouvong, who show-up at the voting tent in Vientiane wearing patent-leather shoes and a dapper business suit with a Kerchief tucked in his breast pocket,received 37,389 votes- more than any other candidate in the country. when the new members of the National Assembly conened a few days later, he was elected Chairman.. that's how it goes Brther, Let' me summary about the civil war in our country.It's war between the two brthers, One was a Red-Prince leftist, and the other was Right wing Prince, that's it...

Dang! Brother Speak-out, you sure have some knowledge of the motherland prior and after 1975. Thank you for your courtesy of sharing this anecdote with BLM. This little landlocked kingdom had indeed gone through trial and turbulence with many twists and turns politically before emerging itself to a new era with promising hope for its posterity by gradually rebuilding its shattered economy for the last 30 + years. But the potentiality of thriving is still fragile due to its heavy dependency on foreign aid. It’s no wonder why Lao PDR prudently cultivates Vietnam and China for its beloved friendship which is the right strategy if it wants to hang on to power because these two romantic partners, without a doubt, (if there should be the need for political or moral support) would come to its defense. Viet Gooks on the other hand, brother speak-out, often take it to the greater extreme by reminding its counterpart (Lao PDR) not to forget their past struggle and to treat the endless relations comparatively deeper than the ocean and higher than the mountain. This of course, sounds scary to me. Can anyone profess the inconceivability that Viet Ho would never roll their Soviet-Era Tanks (T-54s) into Nakorn Luang Viengchanh in this century?

Hey, this is just my clumsy theoretical assumption. The Lord would definitely bless this kingdom of one million elephants. It is simple fact though that we human beings are still very aggressive and brute force set the rules; sadly, the winner is always the king and the loser has to concede to the victor with kudos. To me the Vietnam threat theory or the nature of any threat poses by Vietnam to the sovereignty of Laotian politics is far more nuanced than many of us like to claim. Having said this, I don’t perceive their aggressive move toward Lao PDR anytime soon.

As for Brother See, please provide us your source of info about our friendly Negro Obama having an Asian Dad. Otherwise, you would be mentally fantasizing of having a premature ejaculation just like many others here.

Regards,

Love! Always BruceLaoMan

Date: Jun 17, 2009

Love! Always BruceLaoMan
Who is she ? She looks like a porn star.

Date: Jun 17, 2009

BLM69 What're you trying to do here?? make all the guys here including me ( Nam lai Ray) ha ha ha ,Oh man she look gorgeous. Is she a Arab or from India?? so anyway I take her anytime Brther..

Date: Jun 18, 2009

Obama's mom used to marry with asian man(Chinese). Sometime,stepfather takes care of you better than your biological dad.

Date: Jun 18, 2009

he is not chinese, he is indonesian, he doesnt look chinese at all

Date: Jun 18, 2009

Indonesian people can't afford to study oversea. He must be Chinese Indonesian. Anyway,Obama told me his stepdad was a super dad.

SeeHarHed · Guru

Anonymous wrote:

Indonesian people can't afford to study oversea. He must be Chinese Indonesian. Anyway,Obama told me his stepdad was a super dad.

Obama personally told you that??? When did you talk to him?? You're so full of shiettttttt!!!! tode mun ga yung bor dai dome... ya su kee moe lai va dai lome num Obama... hahhahah

Laos2beLaos · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

that is usa see the piece of cake and want to get some. if not usa will not open his mouth.

Would you please explain , I don't understand your comment about the piece of cake in his mouth so what do you mean by that? I don't see any thing that Laos have that the United States need from Laos ( no oil and nothing that the US need from Laos). Only thing I see that what the other way around that Laos need aid ( money) trade , technology ( education, knowledge), vaccin , medicine...etc..to benefit from the west and the US . Laos should be smart like China opened trade to the west and the US . few decades ago China used to be very poor and starved like north Korea so now look at China now. Because of the US made China economy strong today. Almost every things sold in the US are made in China even toy or American flag. Without the United States import and trade so you could image how much China is going to be hurt. Even a lot of investor from the US and the west for example the Wal-mart...etc... Just remember China economy is good but the Chinese people are still very poor and a lot of them are still under poverty ,just like the third world coutries. The truth that China try to hide, Olnly the communist party are rich and have good living. The fact is the fact that China try to hide to the world still need to be told.

Exactly what this is about. Only you understands this. Laos has lots of merchandises to export, but can't do it. Now it will be our chance, our opportunity to do, what are we waiting for , what are we fighting ourselves for?