I read these two articles about Hmong refugee in Thailand, I feel very sad for them.

Date: Aug 14, 2009

I read these two articles about Hmong refugee in Thailand, I feel very sad for them.

Date: Aug 14, 2009

Anonymous wrote:

Isn’t it another type of betrayal?
"Thai military taser Hmong refugee in head"

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0908/S00249.htm

"Seven Hmong Families Forced to Laos Amid Tear Gas"

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0908/S00249.htm
http://www.pr-inside.com/seven-hmong-families-forced-to-laos-r1432745.htm

This's not wrong of Thai or Lao government, please ask your Hmong and your American big boss, who started problem first.
In Laos every one live as peace full. Why those Hmong they dont want to back Laos
The problem is Hmong dont want to be Hmong, I thought, they want to be American and ......... see many Hmong named themself as FARANG's name !!!!!!!!!!LOL!!!!!!!
may be even who wrote those articles that mention above.

Please dont try to raise the topic like this in here

Date: Aug 14, 2009

I feel very shame to read this article, useless article, Laos has many tribal people not only Hmong but those tribal people make their way of living with peacefully and they never violate the rule, law and encourage the government to develope Laos.

chiip · Guru

Yes, very sad, the lao government have to spend lots of money to relocate these 5000 people but the majority of them refused to return some american politicians claimed that these people have to be protected, thai humanright committy claimed that thai government have to look closer who should be sent to laos and who should be sent abroad or staying in thailand so the matter seems to become complecated and the lao government want to get all of them back to laos for the sake of that they are lao people before the end of 2009.

Date: Aug 14, 2009

Lao government and people lost their name and fame by minority group Hmong, actually Hmong is in China, they escape into Laos from China during the time of Mao......they are too narrow mind they love, believe only their group, but Hmong of Nong Hat, Mr. Faidang is quite good.

Date: Aug 14, 2009

Guys,

I am one among Laotiane people who live in Laos, I know abit on Hmong issue which i should share at least some of you may not know that clearly. I was one among delegation visited Ban Huay Nam Khao Camp in Phetchaboun's Khao Khor District of Thailand recently with Refugee Kayua Sae Yang, who now lives in Laos. She went to Thailand aiming to convince others at the camp to return to their homeland, Laos

It was ended up by many of many remaining refugees in the camp heard news on Radio Free Asia reporting if Lao Hmong refugees who want to go back to Laos will be purnished by the Lao government making many of them do not want to return to Laos for fearing of Persecution

Lao offcial said, Radio Free Asia is one of few international Medias that offering unrealisable news sources which is not screened and trustable for people giving nothing even rights to consume truthfulness information

Speaking at the meeting where attended by representatives from Lao and Thai general border subcommittee and representative from the secretary for the State Department's Bureau of Population, Refugees and Migration of the United Stages, Brig Gen Buaxieng Champaphan stated that, The Lao government has promised to take better care of the Hmong refugees when they return home. The Lao Hmong will get freedom like other people under the law in Laos. He said, the ethnic Hmong were part of Laos' "bigger family" and they deserve proper treatment by the Lao government.

US embassy deputy chief of mission James Entwistle, who led a US delegation, visited the Hmong camp, said Washington would not accept Hmong for resettlement. He confirmed the US had no plans for a large-scale resettlement programme for the camp's residents.

Lt Gen Nipat Thonglek, chief of the Supreme Command's border affairs department, said all Hmong must be sent back to Laos by the end of this year. The Thai government had done all it could to provide them with the best possible humanitarian aid.

He said, Lao Hmong refugees have entered the country illegally and solving the problem is a bilateral effort between the Thai and Lao governments and most importantly, the Lao government will not accept foreign intervention of any kind.

Lao official said, Mrs Kayua was one of 190 Hmong refugees who decided to leave the Thai camp and settle in Laos in November last year. Last week, 97 Hmongs were sent back to Laos as part of the Thai-Lao agreement to repatriate all volunteer Hmongs to Laos this year.

Date: Aug 14, 2009

Thank you for sharing this information. However, Id like to explore more about the perception of Mhong on this issue, though I believe that they are left without a choice by either the Thai or Lao government as soon as these two entered into the agreement, but do you happen to ask the Mhong people if they are still willing to go back and embrace Lao once more?

tinko · Guru

some of these young hmong were chased out of the jungle of laos along with their elder families.
the very same gov't that were chasing behind them are now asking cooperation for the hmong to be released and into the hands of the gov't that before were aiming guns at them. confuse

?can the same hands that killed so many hmong be trusted to care for them now. confuse

i like to see the laos pdr make some official decree, saying to to the international
world that the hmong ppl are not the enemy of the state and will be protected by the state yes? confuse

-- Edited by tinko on Friday 14th of August 2009 01:38:44 PM

Destined · Senior Member

all this hate caused between lao and mong is built up by hmong american propaganda. lao and mong are countrymen and hmong in u.s. use to claim their was a genocide going on in laos and they actually believed that all their hearts. i have to agree with comment above saying they believei only in their own whole heartedly and witha blind eye no matter what facts are faced in front of them. i can understand why they would feel animosity towards the lao but i have been to lao and their are hmong livig among the citys. no such thing is genocide in laos.

anyway in the u.s. i know for a fact they are fed a lot of hate propaganda towards the lao gvnt.

anyways i hope all goes well and incorporate them back in the country.

i have a lot more to say about this issue but that is it for now.

tinko · Guru

in general when you go to the lao
you will see the hmong living peacefully.
and sometimes you feel that they coexist in their own village or a small community,
they grow plants and vegetables.

and then you have got a small group of them running and fleeing in fear for their lives.

?why

chiip · Guru

Well, there is no one asking who is the vice president of th NA of the Lao PDR, who is the mayor of Vientiane capital, who is the Education minister, who is the director of the Lao aviation company ....they are all hmongs, we are not racial, those who fled Laos and were detained in the thai camps are uneducated and narrow minded... poor people !

ban nok · Senior Member

There are many different Hmong an minorities peoples living in Laos. It's true many very peacefully and in high positions in business or the government. It's also true that there has been a long low level armed conflict with those living E of Vang Vien into Xieng Kuan and the Saysombon area, and very very many Hmong have been killed by the Lao Army.

It's too bad, the Lao government has a very good record with Lao Seung since a long time ago, indeed many fought for both sides in the war.

When President Clinton visited Hanoi he said something along the lines of,

"We can not change our past, it is our history, but we can change what happens going forward from this day"

So to Tinko who asks "can the same hands that killed so many hmong be trusted to care for them now?" I would say perhaps. People can change. There is no reason the Hmong of the special zone and the Lao Army have to continue fighting. The government could give a blanket pardon, even to those who have fought and killed Laotians. The Hmong could agree to live peacefully amongst all the other Lao Seung of Laos, and accept the Lao government as the legitamate and only government of Laos.

In my dreams peace.

Date: Aug 15, 2009

chiip wrote:

Well, there is no one asking who is the vice president of th NA of the Lao PDR, who is the mayor of Vientiane capital, who is the Education minister, who is the director of the Lao aviation company ....they are all hmongs, we are not racial, those who fled Laos and were detained in the thai camps are uneducated and narrow minded... poor people !

Why American care so much about Hmongs but not Lue. Lue came to Laos before Hmongs and many of Lue died during Vietnam war?In my opinion,Lao high land should be Lue not Hmong. How come American never protected Lue? Please don't get me wrong that I dislike Hmongs people. I don't see them any different from me. They love to live in peace like many of Laotian people. But I think American government spoil them too much. American didn't realize that Hmong themselve who refused to obey Laos law and denied to live in Laos unless Lao government give them high level jobs. Beside,Hmong never feel like Laos is their country. Many years ago, I used to hang out with Hmong friends. I know that Laos people in my city where I live rignt now never hate them. Laos people always welcome them. When Hmongs claimed Laos people hate them. It hurt a lot bc That was not true at all. Hmong people the one threw themselve out of Laos society. They don't want to be part of Laos. bc stupid Vang Pao brain washed them.

Destined · Senior Member

Anonymous wrote:

chiip wrote:

Well, there is no one asking who is the vice president of th NA of the Lao PDR, who is the mayor of Vientiane capital, who is the Education minister, who is the director of the Lao aviation company ....they are all hmongs, we are not racial, those who fled Laos and were detained in the thai camps are uneducated and narrow minded... poor people !

Why American care so much about Hmongs but not Lue. Lue came to Laos before Hmongs and many of Lue died during Vietnam war?In my opinion,Lao high land should be Lue not Hmong. How come American never protected Lue? Please don't get me wrong that I dislike Hmongs people. I don't see them any different from me. They love to live in peace like many of Laotian people. But I think American government spoil them too much. American didn't realize that Hmong themselve who refused to obey Laos law and denied to live in Laos unless Lao government give them high level jobs. Beside,Hmong never feel like Laos is their country. Many years ago, I used to hang out with Hmong friends. I know that Laos people in my city where I live rignt now never hate them. Laos people always welcome them. When Hmongs claimed Laos people hate them. It hurt a lot bc That was not true at all. Hmong people the one threw themselve out of Laos society. They don't want to be part of Laos. bc stupid Vang Pao brain washed them.

finally !!!!!! you took the words right out of my mouth i have trying to say that for so long but i think u said it best!!! thank you lao brother thank you!! thank you !!! i have experienced the same and feel exactly the same as you regaurding hmong. i love laos and it doesnt matter to me what ethnicity you are as long as we all have love for our country men and land. wow thank you at least i know some one in the world thinks exactly the i do thank you. you should make an account here and give your self an alias i would like to hear more from you on this website lao brother. smile

Date: Aug 15, 2009

In my opinion,Lao high land should be Lue not Hmong

erm...do you know anything about Lue or Hmong?
Lue don't live in the highlands, they are not Lao Soung!

even in China, Lue live on the lowlands & Hmong live on the highlands.
that's why their old traditional way of growing rice is different, Lue have their system for sharing irrigation to grow 'wet rice' in the lowlands, while Hmong grow 'hill rice' on steeper mountain slopes.
& that's also why their traditional houses are different. Lue house is on stilts because they live in the lowlands where rivers can flood. Hmong live on top of the mountains, don't need to worry about floods, so their houses only have one storey.

& don't forget that even before the Lue moved to Laos, the Khmu were already there :P

Date: Aug 15, 2009

I grew up in Laos, I don’t know much about Hmongs history during Vietman war and I don't know how much Hmongs, who live overseas hate Lao people and our government

As I live in Laos and I travel to different provinces from North to South of Laos. Every where I go I see Hmongs people live peacefully in their own way of living, I even have some friends from Hmongs family in Ban Lak 52, North of Vientiane they are nice and live harmonise.

And every time I travel from Vientiane to South. My family and I always stop at Hmong’s Market (a long the 13th Road) to buy Hmongs products like fruits and Vegetables.

In my opinion I don’t think our government will do harm to those Hmongs refugees, who decide to come back Laos from Thai refugees camp.

Date: Aug 15, 2009

Anonymous wrote:

In my opinion,Lao high land should be Lue not Hmong

erm...do you know anything about Lue or Hmong?
Lue don't live in the highlands, they are not Lao Soung!

even in China, Lue live on the lowlands & Hmong live on the highlands.
that's why their old traditional way of growing rice is different, Lue have their system for sharing irrigation to grow 'wet rice' in the lowlands, while Hmong grow 'hill rice' on steeper mountain slopes.
& that's also why their traditional houses are different. Lue house is on stilts because they live in the lowlands where rivers can flood. Hmong live on top of the mountains, don't need to worry about floods, so their houses only have one storey.

& don't forget that even before the Lue moved to Laos, the Khmu were already there :P

I didn't say Khmu came before Hmong. Anyway,many of Hmong's houses were not built on the mountian either. A lot of Lue that I know off they consider themselve are Lao Soung. Bunch of them currently live in Luan Prabang since day one. Do you know Lao Lum live on the mountian too? Lue and Hmong are pretty much live close to each other, but I'm just wondering why American government or Lao government privilege only Hhmongs for example I don't see Lue picture on Lao money. Now, are u saying Lao Soung means Hmong only nobody else even Lue the best make sinh in Luang Prabang?

Date: Aug 15, 2009

I didn't say Khmu came before Hmong. Anyway,many of Hmong's houses were not built on the mountian either.
Do you know Lao Lum live on the mountian too?

I said 'traditionally'. When they first migrated from China, Lue, Lao, Hmong, etc kept to the usual settlement pattern, separated by altitude. Lao Thoeng are also on the mountains, but on the lower slopes. Akha & Hmong on the highest sections.

But because of war, & also because the Lao government encouraged everyone to move down to the lowlands & be closer to the roads, now the traditional pattern is gone, everyone is mixed.

A lot of Lue that I know off they consider themselve are Lao Soung.

erm...even the Lao government does not classify Lue as Lao Soung!
All my Lue friends definitely don't consider themselves as Lao Soung, they consider themselves Lao Loum.

Bunch of them currently live in Luan Prabang since day one.

Day one of what?

I'm just wondering why American government or Lao government privilege only Hhmongs for example I don't see Lue picture on Lao money. Now, are u saying Lao Soung means Hmong only nobody else even Lue the best make sinh in Luang Prabang?

US government helps the Hmong cos the Hmong helped them. In fact it's not only the Hmong who helped them, some Mien also did, & the US government also let some of them settle in US, just that they're a much smaller group.

But there are also many many non-Hmong Lao living in the US, who have built so many 'Wat Lao' across USA. Hmong are not Buddhist, they won't build any wat anywhere. So I won't say that the US government 'privilege only Hmong'.

Lao government put only 3 women's picture on the banknote, one each to represent the 3 main groups - Lao Loum, Lao Thoeng & Lao Soung - to be fair to all cos there's no space to put 50-60+ women to represent every single ethnic group of Laos! Although I think most Lao men won't mind to see more beautiful women's faces on their money :P

I'm not saying Lao Soung means Hmong only, it also means Mien/Yao, Phou Noy, Lahu, Lolo, Akha, etc. Lue, Phuan, Tai Dam, Tai Neua, etc are Lao Loum.

Btw I have a Lue sinh, although I think nothing can beat Tai Daeng weaving from Houa Phanh. But the Tai Daeng designs I like are too expensive!

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