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I assume they are the same as far as the overall architectural design since both Lao and Thai opted for Theravada Buddhism as their national religion. Can any of you confirm this? Also, please elaborate if there are some differences otherwise.

Thank you

 

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NO.

You can tell the difference by looking at the roof.

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Some interesting stuffs on the researches on sexual orientation. First, check out this video on homophobia. The key takeaway from this is that real straight men are not threatened by homosexuality because they got no reason to be. Whereas those who exhibit homophobia are more often than not a deeply closeted, self-hating hating gay guy. Reminds me of the those priests who preached against gays and yet have gay sex; or that straight-acting guy you know who publicly condemn gays, yet he sucks ****s.



Second is an article from Scientific American bringing some latest development from studying of gay roles of top, versatile and bottom.

A few key takeaways from the article, verbatim:

• Tops were more likely than both bottoms and versatiles to reject a gay self-identity and to have had sex with a woman in the past three months. They also manifested higher internalized homophobia—essentially the degree of self-loathing linked to their homosexual desires.
• Versatiles seem to enjoy better psychological health. Hart and his coauthors speculate that this may be due to their greater sexual sensation seeking, lower erotophobia (fear of sex), and greater comfort with a variety of roles and activities.
• Although self-labels were not associated with unprotected intercourse, tops, who engaged in a greater proportion of insertive anal sex than other groups, were also less likely to identify as gay. Non-gay-identified MSW [again, “Men Who Have Sex With Men”] may have less contact with HIV prevention messages and may be less likely to be reached by HIV-prevention programs than are gay-identified men. Tops may be less likely to be recruited in venues frequented by gay men, and their greater internalized homophobia may result in greater denial of ever engaging in sex with other men. Tops also may be more likely to transmit HIV to women because of their greater likelihood of being behaviorally bisexual.

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Really bring back to something I wrote long time ago :

Gay people's worst enemy are usually gay people themselves, especially those who are in denial. I've seen it in action. Xavier's ex was verbally denouncing gay people (effeminate ones in particular) in front of some straight people. The psychology is simple: if he's seen gay-bashing, he thinks that people wouldn't consider him as gay. Gay people don't gay-bash their own kind right?

Wrong.

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Sorry guy, I did some mistake posting

 

Many temples were built long ago when political boundaries were different from now. So you'll see differences in design of Theravada Buddhist temples not only between Laos & Thailand, but also within Laos & within Thailand. Within the same country, you can have differences in:

1. different regions of the country,
2. temples built during different eras,
3. temples built by different ethnic groups

(& don't forget both countries also have Mahayana Buddhist temples.)

For #1:
Temples in Lanna region (north) of Thailand are different from those in central & south Thailand...temples in Luang Prabang & Bokeo are different those in Vientiane & further south. Laos also has a style of temple design called 'Xieng Khouang style', although most of such temples have been destroyed.

On both the central Laos & Isaan sides of the Mekong, you have 'that' (stupa) that are similar in design (e.g. That Phanom in Nakhon Phanom province). Much further up the same river in the north, the 'that' in Chiangrai & Bokeo are the same design, but totally different from those in the central & south regions of both countries.

For #2:
Both Laos & Thailand have Khmer-style temples built during Angkor era e.g. Wat Phou (Champasak) & Phanom Rung (Buriram), that are drastically different from those built later. Even within Vientiane capital, Wat Sisaket is so different from Wat That Foun, Wat Mixay or Wat Ong Teu because the structure is so much older.

For #3:
North Laos has temples built by Lue people (especially in Bokeo, Luang Namtha, Oudomxay, north part of Sayabouly) that have a totally different shape of roof, & there's one built by Vietnamese. North Thailand has temples built by Tai Yai, Lue people & Burmese people. The Tai Yai & Lue temples in Laos & Thailand look more like the Theravada Buddhist temples in Sipsongpanna (Yunnan) than the temples in Vientiane or Bangkok.

Hope that Thai & Lao people will enjoy travelling to each other's countries to see each other's temples. Temples are just an external thing. Internally, it's the same Buddha, Dhamma & Sangha for all Buddhists in the whole world.

Anonymous wrote:

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Some interesting stuffs on the researches on sexual orientation. First, check out this video on homophobia. The key takeaway from this is that real straight men are not threatened by homosexuality because they got no reason to be. Whereas those who exhibit homophobia are more often than not a deeply closeted, self-hating hating gay guy. Reminds me of the those priests who preached against gays and yet have gay sex; or that straight-acting guy you know who publicly condemn gays, yet he sucks ****s.



Second is an article from Scientific American bringing some latest development from studying of gay roles of top, versatile and bottom.

A few key takeaways from the article, verbatim:

• Tops were more likely than both bottoms and versatiles to reject a gay self-identity and to have had sex with a woman in the past three months. They also manifested higher internalized homophobia—essentially the degree of self-loathing linked to their homosexual desires.
• Versatiles seem to enjoy better psychological health. Hart and his coauthors speculate that this may be due to their greater sexual sensation seeking, lower erotophobia (fear of sex), and greater comfort with a variety of roles and activities.
• Although self-labels were not associated with unprotected intercourse, tops, who engaged in a greater proportion of insertive anal sex than other groups, were also less likely to identify as gay. Non-gay-identified MSW [again, “Men Who Have Sex With Men”] may have less contact with HIV prevention messages and may be less likely to be reached by HIV-prevention programs than are gay-identified men. Tops may be less likely to be recruited in venues frequented by gay men, and their greater internalized homophobia may result in greater denial of ever engaging in sex with other men. Tops also may be more likely to transmit HIV to women because of their greater likelihood of being behaviorally bisexual.

****************************

Really bring back to something I wrote long time ago :

Gay people's worst enemy are usually gay people themselves, especially those who are in denial. I've seen it in action. Xavier's ex was verbally denouncing gay people (effeminate ones in particular) in front of some straight people. The psychology is simple: if he's seen gay-bashing, he thinks that people wouldn't consider him as gay. Gay people don't gay-bash their own kind right?

Wrong.

 

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I don't like gay problem. Who care.

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I think Wat Xieng Thong in Luang Prabang is a classic example of Lao tradition temple design. If you compare it to other temple in Thailand you can tell the different. The Lao design have a long swoop temple with the 3 roof stack on top each other clearly inspired by the Buddha Triple Gems. Even the design that is attached on the very top roof has meaning. I think it mean it is the head of the Buddha. Thai temple design is dominated by the column on the temple and have more than 3 roof stack on top each other and lastly the tiny pagoda they like to put on top of it. I don't know if their design have any meaning or not.

 

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Wat Xieng Thong in Luang Prabang is a uniqe design. If you compare it to other temple in Laos you can tell the different as well.

 

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The Lao design have a long swoop temple with the 3 roof stack on top each other
Thai temple design is dominated by the column on the temple and have more than 3 roof stack on top each other

This 'hang mae' layered roof style is also seen in many many Lanna temples in north Thailand. Both Wat Haysok in Vientiane & Wat Mai in Luang Prabang each have 5 roof layers stacked on top of one another, not just 3, but both are still Lao temples :P

the design that is attached on the very top roof has meaning. I think it mean it is the head of the Buddha

Do you mean the 'yot sor faa'? They represent Mount Meru. It also appears on the roof of some Lanna temples, but not all...but in north Laos most city temples have it. I haven't visited enough village temples in Laos to say whether they also have it.

One difference i can think of is...it is much more common for Lao temples to have paintings on the outside walls of the 'sim'...for most Thai temples the paintings are only on the interior walls, the outside walls are usually plain.

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Lanna is not Thai but I think Lanna is closer to Lao i bet.

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Anonymous wrote:

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Lanna is not Thai but I think Lanna is closer to Lao i bet.

 

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Lanna is not Lao either. Lanna is closer to Lao than Thai only by blood of the royal family. Other than that Lanna and Lao are as close as Lanna and Thai. You won't understand a single word of them if they speak real Lanna I bet.

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I would say Lanna is more closer to Northern Lao in terms of culture, arts and language. Temple designs are similar, and even the food, clothing, habits and etc.  

Thais love to copy Laos and other country design so don't think laos design is the same as Thais which is ridiculous. As I survey most Thai design most of them are copy from there neighbors just because Thailand claim they are multi mix culture in the region. But this doesn't mean its Thailand because it is in there territory and in the history there wasn't even Thailand or Thai from the begining! For example of how Thailand claim its Thai Read about preah vihar temple in Cambodia and Thailand trouble news!!!! This is how thailand will do to other neighbors same with Laos just because we are similar they will one day do the same and claim laos theres!!!


Thais have no sense of pride or tradition and even culture at most, but denied others neigbhbors its Thailand. I hope one day Thailand will fail and seperate that country for the good of all Neighbors god bliss!

-- Edited by Kwanjai on Saturday 3rd of October 2009 05:04:55 AM

Kwanjai wrote:

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Thais love to copy Laos and other country design so don't think laos design is the same as Thais which is ridiculous. As I survey most Thai design most of them are copy from there neighbors just because Thailand claim they are multi mix culture in the region. But this doesn't mean its Thailand because it is in there territory and in the history there wasn't even Thailand or Thai from the begining! For example of how Thailand claim its Thai Read about preah vihar temple in Cambodia and Thailand trouble news!!!! This is how thailand will do to other neighbors same with Laos just because we are similar they will one day do the same and claim laos theres!!!


Thais have no sense of pride or tradition and even culture at most, but denied others neigbhbors its Thailand. I hope one day Thailand will fail and seperate that country for the good of all Neighbors god bliss!

-- Edited by Kwanjai on Saturday 3rd of October 2009 05:04:55 AM

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Oh no! he did - n't Chuckie's on the lose!
I have a feeling it's going to get UGLY again in Samakom Lao.

 

 

Kwanjai wrote:

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Thais love to copy Laos and other country design so don't think laos design is the same as Thais which is ridiculous. As I survey most Thai design most of them are copy from there neighbors just because Thailand claim they are multi mix culture in the region. But this doesn't mean its Thailand because it is in there territory and in the history there wasn't even Thailand or Thai from the begining! For example of how Thailand claim its Thai Read about preah vihar temple in Cambodia and Thailand trouble news!!!! This is how thailand will do to other neighbors same with Laos just because we are similar they will one day do the same and claim laos theres!!!


Thais have no sense of pride or tradition and even culture at most, but denied others neigbhbors its Thailand. I hope one day Thailand will fail and seperate that country for the good of all Neighbors god bliss!

-- Edited by Kwanjai on Saturday 3rd of October 2009 05:04:55 AM

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Kwanjai, everything you have said we are not stupid and we know that you are saying in opposite way. Seem you don't know much the true history

You missed out one thing. You wrote Preah Vihar that mean you are not Lao already as Lao people don't call that temple as Preah Vihar or Preah  Vihier

I think Kwanjai trying to be in the shadow of Lao flag to attact Thai people so Thai people in here will get angy and flight with Lao then become big drama in here again. Kwanjai will just sitting and laughing at both fighting

Kwanjai..please move your ass out

I am no trolls but a member who thinks logically unlike some of anonymous individual here. And in everyone opinion and mind we all think differently, so there is time where there is disagreement and agreeing on things but if u think logically and read about certain things about individual topic u will understand there view. And again my reply was met to understand one opinion not to cause flaming intention on others.

the second photo of a temple in Laos (the photo just after Wat Sisaket), what is the name of it? where in Laos is it?

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the second photo of a temple in Laos (the photo just after Wat Sisaket), what is the name of it? where in Laos is it?

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It's Wat Xieng Thong

 

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Wat Xieng Thong is in Luang Prabang, I think one of the prettiest Wat in Laos.

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I would say Lanna is more closer to Northern Lao in terms of culture, arts and language. Temple designs are similar, and even the food, clothing, habits and etc.

 

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Thai_language

For some reason, the mod did not close this post, but he closed my other post.