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narongchai_thi wrote:

I understand that .........

"The red shorts always argue that

the dictator wrongly accused Thaksin of corruption being not loyal to the KING.
the dictator made the cooup and ousted Thaksin from his position.
the dictator forced someone to pretend to be the red shirts riotting Bangkok.
the dictator asked UK USA Germany Japan and China to ban Thaksin
and the dictator did ............... a lot of things against Thaksin"


This is your points and the red shirts' right. Such illogical statement. You are so pathetic....................................

I hope Thaksin would rest in hell very soon..................................

If you are a Laotian, please go away from the Thailand internal affairs, because tere are a lot of problems in your countries to fight with ........



         No sweat , you are the one who brought up the debate, as I said we just  observe nothing more and nothing less.
         I concern because I have a lot of families and relatives are Thai citizen and living in Esan and every things are
         happening in Thailand have been affecting Laos.

 



-- Edited by Dark Angel on Saturday 23rd of January 2010 11:34:55 PM

Ok man,

In the next month, there will be another case of his corruption to be judged in the supreme court.  For sure the red shirts will prepare to riot again.  I hope that the LAW of KARMA will work well.  Anyone who do the badthing will get the bad thing in return.

The red shirts and Thaksin has never showed any proof of their innocence.  I feel so funny when someone say that Thaksin is comparable to Ong SAN SOO GEE.  She is the real one.  with no power, no money, she still fight and does not escape to anywhere else.  I pay respect to her, and hope that someday Thaksin would learn how to be a MAN man.



         Well, dead man could not help the poor people , only the intelligent and stay alive is able to help the nation. Just wonder
         the yellow shirts and the dictators had their chance to over throw Thaksin government while he was in Thailand
         but they did not and waited until he went to England then the coup. Then spending millions of dollars try to bring him
         to prosecute him. As the Thai people knew that after the coup no one really could do the job and Thailand economy
         went from good to worst. You said that the red shirt has done the bad things but could not compare to the yellow
         shirt who destroyed the Thailand economy by shutting the airport which is caused Thailand billions of dollars and drove
         the investors and tourists away.

 



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this is some thing to do with discrimination,racism,selfish,and jealousy, thuksin he is HERO!! he help a lot of poor and developing a lot northern or Isaan which it never before they only always build bangkok at the past, now they have good schools good hospitals at Isaan because of thuksin so make bangkok people not happy and thuksin he has so much money long time before so make other jealous, the red shirts they fight for their right nothing wrong with that, sou sou red sou!!!

Lao we are here to help you any thing you want because we are same family!!

Live LONG LIFE THUKSIN YOU ARE GOOD MAN You are the hero for Lao people too!!!!



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Yeah, some Thai Isan people are not that stupid, but they have been supplied the wrong and distorted information by the red shirts and Thaksin.  I hope that somedays they would learn that their political beliefs are really dangerous to the national security.



-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Sunday 24th of January 2010 03:55:12 AM

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Seh Daeng to return on Monday
Published: 23/01/2010 at 09:52 AM
Online news: Breakingnews

Army specialist Maj Gen Khattiya Sawasdipol said if police have not issued an arrest warrant for him as reported by the media, he will return to Bangkok on Monday.

“Whether or not I will provide information for state authorities or hold a press conference on the arrest of his close associates depends on the situation”, Maj Gen Khattya, widely known as Seh Daeng said on Saturday morning.

Army Chief Anupong Paojinda on Friday called a meeting of senior army officers and after that he had ordered officers at army units nationwide to arrest Maj Gen Khattiya immediately if they spot him.

Seh Daeng has denied any link to war weapons seized in raids on his home and the living quarters of his aide on Thursday. He also denied any involvement in the Jan 15 M79 grenade attack on the office of the army chief.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/politics/166232/seh-daeng-to-return-on-monday

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Yeah..... Thaksin did come back to Thailand after the coup. Then he escaped from Thailand again later. It is because he is afraid of being put in the prison. From doing like this, his position is far way from being a state man like NELSON MANDELA or Ong SAN SOO GEE.

He would get more popularity if he stayed in Thailand even in the prison. It is much better than being stick around Dubai, Combodia or Papua New Gunnie and try to make some news to give the red shirts a little hope about his coming back...........

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THAKSIN'S JUDGEMENT DAY
On the ropes
By Thanong Khanthong
Panya thiewsangwan
The Nation
Published on January 14, 2010



Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's unannounced meeting with Privy Council President Prem Tinsulanonda yesterday evening has inflamed speculation about a possible political crisis ahead of fugitive ex-PM Thaksin Shinawatra's "judgement day".

A source claimed Abhisit admitted to Prem the possibility of a House dissolution as coalition allies led by Chart Thai Pattana de-facto leader Banharn Silapa-Archa continued to pile pressure on the ruling Democrat Party over their demands for amendment of the Constitution.

Abhisit and Prem also discussed the growing belligerence of the red-shirt movement, seen as a development that could add to political instability.


According to the source, Prem encouraged Abhisit to carry on during the next difficult phase of his premiership.


Abhisit met Prem at the latter's Si Sao Thewes residence after switching his car at Parliament, apparently to avoid being followed by reporters. It was Prem who had called for the meeting, the source said.


The prime minister met the Privy Council chief once last year when the issue of who should be the new police chief threatened to become politically explosive.


Yesterday's meeting coincided with growing speculation that Thaksin's last-ditch efforts to save his Bt76-billion assets from the prospect of being permanently seized by the state would trigger a new round of political turmoil - perhaps even the worst to date.


Thaksin stands to lose all if the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Political Office Holders rules against


him on February 26 in his assets-seizure case. The Bt76 billion represents the final chunk of his wealth.


Sources claim Thaksin has suffered a series of financial blows that have depleted his funds, contrary to his claim in a recent interview on the Times Online website that he still had some US$100 million (Bt3.31 billion) of his total net worth.


First of all, they say financial and political problems related to his investments in Dubai are preventing him from returning to the emirate.


"If he goes back to Dubai, he'll be nabbed right at the airport," said one source. "His geographical movements have become a big constraint. He's now believed to be staying in Cambodia."


Second, the sources say the UK Treasury has quietly seized some $4 billion believed to belong to Thaksin.


Believing the money came from dubious tax havens, the Treasury orig


inally froze the amount in 2008 in a procedure that would allow the rightful owner came forward to declare ownership, according to the sources. However, the time limit recently expired with no one claiming ownership, leading the Treasury to seize the money outright, the sources say.


A government source also said Thaksin was believed to have borrowed money from a Russian oil company to finance his political comeback.


"He'll be in big trouble with the Russians if he cannot repay that debt," the source said. "But wherever he goes, he likes to have his photo taken with VIPs, to assert his status."


A source close to Thaksin said the ousted leader now was down to between Bt500 billion and Bt1 billion.


As a fugitive on the run, the only way Thaksin can salvage his future is through a political upheaval in Thailand. He is said to be pursuing a three-pronged strategy to reclaim his assets and make a political comeback.


First, his cronies will lobby the Supreme Court in the assets-seizure case, hoping to get at least some of the money back. It is believed the Thaksin camp would be satisfied if the court returned Bt40 billion and ordered seizure of the rest, as the Thaksin empire was worth around that amount before he entered politics.


"This option will not work, because he has no influence over the Supreme Court," one source said.


Second, Thaksin will try to bring down the Abhisit Vejjajiva government. Already, red-shirt protesters have mobilised in a bid to topple the administration.


But a more effective way to remove the Democrat-led government is to drive a wedge between the coalition partners, with the Chart Thai Pattana Party acting as the catalyst.


Sources say the coalition partners may use the constitutional-amendment issue as an excuse to walk away from the government. Chart Thai Pattana, controlled by Banharn, is spearheading the drive, but the Bhum Jai Thai Party, controlled by Newin Chidchob, is believed to be hesitant.


As prime minister, Abhisit holds the upper hand, because he can counter the threat by opting to rule with a minority government if the coalition parties betray him.


Abhisit can run the country with a minority government for several months before calling a snap election, during which time he will still serve as acting prime minister.


Lastly, Thaksin's final game plan is to rely on the red shirts to start rioting again, with an ensuing military reaction in his favour ahead of the Supreme Court's February 26 ruling.


Political sources say the early part of next month will be the most intense period in terms of Thaksin's final battle for survival


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Suthep warns red shirts against doing 'improper' thing towards His Majesty

Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban Thursday warned the red-shirt movement against doing anything that may be deemed as inappropriate action towards His Majesty the King.

Suthep said doing such thing could give the move a bad name and thus affecting the image of its big boss, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra.

Suthep said the Thai people have limited patience so the red-shirt movement should step over the line.

Suthep was commenting on reports that the red-shirt leaders would hold rallies at houses of all privy councillors before rallying at the Siriraj Hospital to find out about the progress of their petition for His Majesty's pardon for Thaksin

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this is some thing to do with discrimination,racism,selfish,and jealousy, thuksin he is HERO!! he help a lot of poor and developing a lot northern or Isaan which it never before they only always build bangkok at the past, now they have good schools good hospitals at Isaan because of thuksin so make bangkok people not happy and thuksin he has so much money long time before so make other jealous, the red shirts they fight for their right nothing wrong with that, sou sou red sou!!!

Lao we are here to help you any thing you want because we are same family!!

Live LONG LIFE THUKSIN YOU ARE GOOD MAN You are the hero for Lao people too!!!!



Chiangmai University, KonKhaen University, Suranaree University of Technology >>>> these are one of the top 200 best asian universities.  they were established before Thaksin era.  This statement is also compatible with the Chiang Mai hospital, one of the top 100 best asian hospitals.  the same statement can be applied to most high schools and community hospitals in Isarn region.  Thailand is the one who always supplied enough budgets to the public health for people nationwide.  This has happened for several decades before Thaksin coming into his position.  i know it well because I live in Chayaphum and studied in Korat.

Actually, the universal health care project by Thaksin is good.  But thisproject could be counted as only one jigsaw or one part of the whole achievement of Thailand's healthcares system.

Don't forget that Thailand achieved in providing enough healthcare services to the poor nationwide before Thaksin taking his PM position.

 



-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Sunday 24th of January 2010 03:38:04 AM

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Yeah, some Thai Isan people are not that stupid, but they have been supplied the wrong and distorted information by the red shirts and Thaksin.  I hope that some days they would learn that their political beliefs are really dangerous to the national security.



         Please, do not drive me into the Thai law and lese -Majesty law something that I don't want to discuss which is so
         sensitive in your country and I respect that. As I told you before smart lawyer could let the criminal go free and
         smart politician avoid to answer the serious questions and worst of all they could never win by the election . Thaksin
         is the only prime minister who understood and won the poor people heart.  Thank for showing the video but too bad
         it does not meant a thing that could prove that Thaksin is guilty of any thing.

 



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I graduated from Thammasat Universit, and also have some friends working in Chlalongkorn and Thammasat universities. That's why I know some informations about the political belief of Gile Unpakorn regarding communism. Moreover, some old professors in the universities still believe in the communism and try to help Thaksin confidentially and stratgically to destroy the monarchy. Those professors used to join the communist party of Thailand in the part; however, they failed to change Thailand to be a communist country. They lose to General Prem, which is now the chief advisor to the KING.

Now, it's time for those communist professors to join force with Thaksin to destroy the monarchy, because the king is so old right now. It'so shameful that those communist professors working in the university I got the degree from.


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         Please, do not drive me into the Thai law and lese -Majesty law something that I don't want to discuss which is so
         sensitive in your country and I respect that. As I told you before smart lawyer could let the criminal go free and
         smart politician avoid to answer the serious questions and worst of all they could never win by the election . Thaksin
         is the only prime minister who understood and won the poor people heart.  Thank for showing the video but too bad
         it does not meant a thing that could prove that Thaksin is guilty of any thing.

 

 


Come on !!!!!  Guy

You always argue that Thaksin win the heart of poor people.  So what ....
This is just to supply the information to the other people who search over the internet.
If you do not want to talk about this, just leave this topic alone.  At first, when I posted this video, I did not expect about your response about your opinion.  This is only about chicken Gile Unpakorn.

Actually, you are not Thais.  Moreover, you live outside Thailand.  The law of Thailand could not be applied to you.

Look at the last election in Prachine Buri and Mahasarkam, you may learn that Thaksin has less popularity in Isarn right now, compare to the Poom Jai Thai Party of Newin.  We will see in the next election. 

-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Sunday 24th of January 2010 04:50:03 AM

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Moreover, Thaksin is the only one Prime Minister that makes the biggest conflict among Thai people in the modern Thai history.

Dont forget that.



Moreover, from the clips regarding Mr Abhisit, the other people can learn about the fact from the other side. ( not the fact from the redshirts )

-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Sunday 24th of January 2010 04:53:56 AM

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narongchai_thi wrote:

I graduated from Thammasat Universit, and also have some friends working in Chlalongkorn and Thammasat universities. That's why I know some informations about the political belief of Gile Unpakorn regarding communism. Moreover, some old professors in the universities still believe in the communism and try to help Thaksin confidentially and stratgically to destroy the monarchy. Those professors used to join the communist party of Thailand in the part; however, they failed to change Thailand to be a communist country. They lose to General Prem, which is now the chief advisor to the KING.

Now, it's time for those communist professors to join force with Thaksin to destroy the monarchy, because the king is so old right now. It'so shameful that those communist professors working in the university I got the degree from.



         Good for you that does not meant that you could judge which system is good or bad that depends on the leader
         and the government. Very well , the king has nothing to do with politic . Prem is the trouble maker who created all
         the problems.He used the lese Majesty to damage Thaksin just to be in controlled and whom he wants to be and
         which way and direction that he would like the prime minister to do and to go. When he could not control Thaksin  , then
         he would find the way to get rid of Thaksin by the coup because Thaksin is alway going to win the election.

 



-- Edited by Dark Angel on Sunday 24th of January 2010 04:58:29 AM

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narongchai_thi wrote:

I graduated from Thammasat Universit, and also have some friends working in Chlalongkorn and Thammasat universities. That's why I know some informations about the political belief of Gile Unpakorn regarding communism. Moreover, some old professors in the universities still believe in the communism and try to help Thaksin confidentially and stratgically to destroy the monarchy. Those professors used to join the communist party of Thailand in the part; however, they failed to change Thailand to be a communist country. They lose to General Prem, which is now the chief advisor to the KING.

Now, it's time for those communist professors to join force with Thaksin to destroy the monarchy, because the king is so old right now. It'so shameful that those communist professors working in the university I got the degree from.



         Good for you that does not meant that you could judge which system is good or bad that depends on the leader
         and the government. Very well , the king has nothing to do with politic . Prem is the trouble maker who created all
         the problems.He used the lese Majesty to damage Thaksin just to be in controlled and whom he wants to be and
         which way and direction that he would the prime minister to do and to go. When he could not control Thaksin  , then
         he would find the way to get rid of Thaksin by the coup because Thaksin is alway going to win the election.

 




 I can say that the communism is not appropriate to Thailand.  It could be good for the other countries, I don't know and don't want to mention.  However, a lot of people around Thaksin believing in communism.  They are dangerous to the national security.  Mr Prem has done a lot of good things to the country.  At least, he could lead the Thailand to beat the Thai communist movement.

If Thaksin want to change the system of Thailand from Kingdom to Republic.  Mr Prem is the biggest obstacle to Thaksin, and Thaksin has to get rid of Mr Prem.  That's why the red shirts keep attacking Mr Prem.

During Mr Prem 's administration as the Prime Minister, he prevented Thailand from being under the communism and being attacked by the economic crisis.  In general, the country had the economic stability.  However, when someone said that he should not be the Prime Minister because he was not selected by Thai people.  Then, He resinged form his position as a PM immediately.  This means that Mr Prem is never addicted to the position or the power.  After that, The King immediately appointed him to be His Majesty's advisor.  This can gaurantee the loyalty of Mr Prem to The king.

It is too different from Thaksin, who always has a lot of rumors about insulting the king. (please note the news I just posted in my previous replies).  too differently.......



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 I can say that the communism is not appropriate to Thailand.  It could be good for the other countries, I don't know and don't want to mention.  However, a lot of people around Thaksin believing in communism.  They are dangerous to the national security.  Mr Prem has done a lot of good things to the country.  At least, he could lead the Thailand to beat the Thai communist movement.

If Thaksin want to change the system of Thailand from Kingdom to Republic.  Mr Prem is the biggest obstacle to Thaksin, and Thaksin has to get rid of Mr Prem.  That's why the red shirts keep attacking Mr Prem.

During Mr Prem 's administration as the Prime Minister, he prevented Thailand from being under the communism and being attacked by the economic crisis.  In general, the country had the economic stability.  However, when someone said that he should not be the Prime Minister because he was not selected by Thai people.  Then, He resinged form his position as a PM immediately.  This means that Mr Prem is never addicted to the position or the power.  After that, The King immediately appointed him to be His Majesty's advisor.  This can gaurantee the loyalty of Mr Prem to The king.

It is too different from Thaksin, who always has a lot of rumors about insulting the king. (please note the news I just posted in my previous replies).  too differently.......



-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Sunday 24th of January 2010 05:07:29 AM

         That is not what the poor Thai  and Esan  people see that way . Those poor people don't care what the system is 
         as long as they have good living, good health care , good education,good justice and their voices could be heard and the right to vote  that why they voted for Thaksin who could 
         provided them what they really need such cheap and affordable health care and welfare relief fund for someone really
         needed.  That is how Thaksin kept on winning the election because he understood the poor people. It is hard to
         believe that Thaksin would like to destroy monarchy and he also was a policeman and successful business man
          and a billionaires. He wants to modernizing Thailand just like Dubai and improving the Thai economy to be number one in Asia.
         He was top on drug dealers and crimes . All of what you have said are nothing but wrongly accused from the dictator who could not win  the
         election. The king is 80 years old , very kind and good king and no reasons for Thaksin to insult the king. His political
         opponents using that as the excuse to get rid of him. A lot of countries don't have king and still are democracy countries that what the red shirt are fighting for democracy , good justice and their votes must to be respected not to be robbed by the coup.



-- Edited by Dark Angel on Sunday 24th of January 2010 08:55:14 AM

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Another statement from those who dislike Thaksin
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■Thaksin Shinawatra got rich by briberies of military junta, led by Gen.Sunthorn Kongsompong back in 1990 to win the only single national satellite concession and to get monopoly on the national telecommunication business. He then bought corrupt politicians who are good at vote-buying to consolidate into a single TRT party which committed extensive electoral frauds to win the house. With near absolute majority, Thaksin went on to be a full blown civillian dictator.


■Between 2001 to 2006, Thaksin abused his power to corrupt even more. Media were repressed. Unaccountable deaths went up to three thousands. Muslims were violated and massacred. Thaksin traded off the national benefits for his own wealth. He stealthily hid money outside Thailand. Later, in self-made exile he bought Manchester city football club worth of 200 million USD out of his hidden dirty money.


■Following extensive vote buying, puppet politicians of Thaksin, People's Power party won the house, he then decided to come back to Thailand in early 2008, hoping to be able to bribe the courts to walk free but his lawyers were caught and jailed. His family was then found guilty of huge tax frauds which scared him to flee out of the country to U.K. who later rejected his entry.


■Being very coward, now he is a fugitive criminal, living on a private jet ready to take off, in hiding from interpol with false names and fake passports in UAE, Fiji, Montenegro, Nicaragua or some other undemocratic nations. His present wicked wishes, as he still has his billions dollars on off-shore islands, are to hire proxy troublemakers to cause havocs to his homeland, to undermine the Monarchy in order to force amnesty and to unfreeze the assets worth of 2 billion USD back in Thailand.

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         That is not what the poor Thai  and Esan  people see that way . Those poor people don't care what the system is 
         as long as they have good living, good health care , good education,good justice and their voices could be heard and the right to vote  that .........



-- Edited by Dark Angel on Sunday 24th of January 2010 08:55:14 AM


 This is what you understand right.  If Thailand could not sustain its national security.  How could thecountry provide the health cares and education to people.  Look at your country, Laos.  In the past, your country had a civil war and was stck in several decades of destructions.  >>>>> no national security.  Then, your government can not supply enough good health cares and education to people.

The national security is the one of priority.  If you dont understand ,  why dont go back to your country and ask the government official from the Lao communist government.  Why do they use thecampaign of "Kon Lao use Kip" "Kon Lao listen to Lao music".  Your government if afraidof Thai influence.  That's why they is trying to be closed wth Vietnam and China, which are also communist.  In their eyes, the system other than communist is dangerous to the Laos' national security.

Andbecause of that national security, Thailand could develop herself for every Tha people.  Look at the past, you can compare the well being of Thais compared to the people of Thailand's neighbors.  The well being of Thais has been better in terms of Health cares and education.  This happens before Thaksin taking his position as the PM.

Actually, I appreciate Thaksin's policy like 30 Baht Rak SA Took Roke.  ANd, it's good that the other government after his still operate this project and try to improve it constantly.  However, Thaksin also has a lot of bad sides of corruptions.  Then, in the court, even you are a good guy but If you killed some people, you have to be punished right ?  He is gonna be punished because of his corruption soon. 


Moreover, because of the good administration by Mr. Prem,  Thailand had a good base for economic development in a lot of subsequent government, even sometimes we had an economic crisis.

Even, under Mr Abhisit adinistration, he still keep operating good policies like "30 baht ruk sa took roke" "the training course for the poor to start their own small business" "monthly allowance for the elders" "the price guarantees for agricultural products".   For the last project ""the price guarantees for agricultural products", it is very goo for the people and can save a lot of government's budget.  This is quite different from Thaksin policy of "Jum Num agricultural products", which most benefit went to business men not to the poor.  Moreover, a lot of corruptions regarind the project were noticed.

Look at the people in Isan, Some of them even in my hometown, they are fond of the Policies by Mr Abhisit.  This bases on my mother experience in Chaiyaphum, and some newspaper.  That's why in the lase election of MP in PrachinBuri and Mahasarkam, the popularity of Thaksin was not that great anymore.


Come on Guys ........ dont talk more about there is no justice in Thailand.  Thailand's justice system is fair and good.  don't forget that Thaksin's assistant tried to make the bribery of 2 million baht to the court, and they failed and punished.  A good people won't do that bribery in any cases right.  At least, the Thailand justice system is independent of anyone.  This is different from the court in any communist countries that the court is under the communist party.  That's why the court could be used to wrongly punich the opponents of the communist party.

Isan people have had a good well being.  dont concern about them too much.  Even you have your relative in some of Isan provinces, I think that in general, the well being of Isan people is betten that in the other side of Mekong river.  Please care about yourself.  Not for Isan people.  You may understand that, again, before Thaksin era, the well being of Isan people was also better than the people in ...... (the other side of Mekong).  that's why you dont need to care much about ISAN people.  We can do it for ourself.  Dontforget that I am from Chaiyaphum, one of Isan Provinces.



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Summary of Thaksin's Corruptions (Just small tips of huge icebergs)

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Dishonest Conflicts of Interests, Lack of Transparency and Accountability, Frauds, Bribery, Abuse of Power and Corruptions by Thaksin and his cronies have been found to relate to the following deals



•Thaksin's family's purchase of a nice peace of land (Ratchadapisek road) at abnormally low price of Baht 772 million from the Bank of Thailand's Financial Institutions Development Fund, with arrangement to avoid taxes and city's construction laws
•Purchase of poor quality rubber saplings worth Baht 1.44 billion by the Department of Agriculture, Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives.
•Purchase of luggage conveyor belts and too many and too expensive CTX 9000 bomb scanners for the new Suvarnabhumi Airport. Damage to state: Baht 1.5 billion.
•Issuances of two and three-digit lottery tickets by the Government Lottery Bureau and illegal exploitation of the money. Damage to state: Baht 37,790 billion
•Loans by the Government's Krung Thai Bank executives. Damage to state: Baht 5,185 billion
•Change in agreement on revenue sharing for prepaid mobile phone service to benefit his Advanced Info Service (AIS). Damage to state: Baht 71,667 billion
•Change in agreement on the rate of revenue sharing between the Telephone Organization of Thailand (TOT) and AIS. Damage to state: Baht 700 million
•Issuing of an executive decree on telecommunications excise taxes, and a cabinet resolution turning concession fees into excise taxes. Damage to state :Baht 30.667 billion
•Instructing the TOT to rent and invest unnecessarily in the satellite frequency of his Shin Satellite. Damage to state: Baht 700 million
•Ordering Exim Bank to allow the Burmese (Myanmar military) Government to draw loans amounting to Baht 1 billion in order to buy products and services from his Shin Satellite.
•Using international trade negotiations to trade national interests for those of the satellite businesses of Shin Corp, adding considerable business value to Shin Satellite.



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Summary of Thaksin's Corruptions (Just small tips of huge icebergs)

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Dishonest Conflicts of Interests, Lack of Transparency and Accountability, Frauds, Bribery, Abuse of Power and Corruptions by Thaksin and his cronies have been found to relate to the following deals



•Thaksin's family's purchase of a nice peace of land (Ratchadapisek road) at abnormally low price of Baht 772 million from the Bank of Thailand's Financial Institutions Development Fund, with arrangement to avoid taxes and city's construction laws
•Purchase of poor quality rubber saplings worth Baht 1.44 billion by the Department of Agriculture, Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives.
•Purchase of luggage conveyor belts and too many and too expensive CTX 9000 bomb scanners for the new Suvarnabhumi Airport. Damage to state: Baht 1.5 billion.
•Issuances of two and three-digit lottery tickets by the Government Lottery Bureau and illegal exploitation of the money. Damage to state: Baht 37,790 billion
•Loans by the Government's Krung Thai Bank executives. Damage to state: Baht 5,185 billion
•Change in agreement on revenue sharing for prepaid mobile phone service to benefit his Advanced Info Service (AIS). Damage to state: Baht 71,667 billion
•Change in agreement on the rate of revenue sharing between the Telephone Organization of Thailand (TOT) and AIS. Damage to state: Baht 700 million
•Issuing of an executive decree on telecommunications excise taxes, and a cabinet resolution turning concession fees into excise taxes. Damage to state :Baht 30.667 billion
•Instructing the TOT to rent and invest unnecessarily in the satellite frequency of his Shin Satellite. Damage to state: Baht 700 million
•Ordering Exim Bank to allow the Burmese (Myanmar military) Government to draw loans amounting to Baht 1 billion in order to buy products and services from his Shin Satellite.
•Using international trade negotiations to trade national interests for those of the satellite businesses of Shin Corp, adding considerable business value to Shin Satellite.



           I don't see any wrong doing just other business that was not against the law to purchase all of those . 
            I don't see any stealing any money from the Thai government bank and where are the evidences
           you could write down 3000 pages of accusing that is wrong and that it is  meant nothings. All I see just what 
            you said  that Thaksin  damaged these and those . Big deal ? You could not just pointing
            finger OH Thaksin did that and did this , So every body could do there was not any laws against that.
           

 



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Gile Unpakorn is the one who wants to destroy the monarchy. He believes in communism and a lot of faculties at Thammasat and Chulalongkorn Universities know his political belief. Moreover, he has joined hands with Thaksin as a member of Red Siam.  From the following clip, Gile insulted the KING of knowing the coup plot.  He is not loyal to the KING at all.




Read the following news...... Thaksin accused inappropriately the KINGof knowing and permitting the coup as well. I think that normally a loyal Thai people will not mention this topic about the KING. A loyal Thai people does not do this thing. That's why a lot of Thais wanting to know if he is loyal to the KING or not. Moreover, my mother mentioned that Thaksin should have not mentioned this about the KING.


http://nationsstate.blogspot.com/2009/04/thaksin-claims-thailands-king-knew-of.html
Thaksin claims Thailand's king knew of coup plot

http://www.newstin.co.uk/rel/uk/en-010-013189042
Full coverages: Thaksin claims Thai King knew of coup


Moreover, Thaksin has never stopped his people from accusing the KING. This make a lot of Thais people think that he would also have the same attitude as his people's agaist the King.

 



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Dark Angel wrote:

narongchai thi wrote:

Summary of Thaksin's Corruptions (Just small tips of huge icebergs)

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Dishonest Conflicts of Interests, Lack of Transparency and Accountability, Frauds, Bribery, Abuse of Power and Corruptions by Thaksin and his cronies have been found to relate to the following deals



•Thaksin's family's purchase of a nice peace of land (Ratchadapisek road) at abnormally low price of Baht 772 million from the Bank of Thailand's Financial Institutions Development Fund, with arrangement to avoid taxes and city's construction laws
•Purchase of poor quality rubber saplings worth Baht 1.44 billion by the Department of Agriculture, Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives.
•Purchase of luggage conveyor belts and too many and too expensive CTX 9000 bomb scanners for the new Suvarnabhumi Airport. Damage to state: Baht 1.5 billion.
•Issuances of two and three-digit lottery tickets by the Government Lottery Bureau and illegal exploitation of the money. Damage to state: Baht 37,790 billion
•Loans by the Government's Krung Thai Bank executives. Damage to state: Baht 5,185 billion
•Change in agreement on revenue sharing for prepaid mobile phone service to benefit his Advanced Info Service (AIS). Damage to state: Baht 71,667 billion
•Change in agreement on the rate of revenue sharing between the Telephone Organization of Thailand (TOT) and AIS. Damage to state: Baht 700 million
•Issuing of an executive decree on telecommunications excise taxes, and a cabinet resolution turning concession fees into excise taxes. Damage to state :Baht 30.667 billion
•Instructing the TOT to rent and invest unnecessarily in the satellite frequency of his Shin Satellite. Damage to state: Baht 700 million
•Ordering Exim Bank to allow the Burmese (Myanmar military) Government to draw loans amounting to Baht 1 billion in order to buy products and services from his Shin Satellite.
•Using international trade negotiations to trade national interests for those of the satellite businesses of Shin Corp, adding considerable business value to Shin Satellite.



           I don't see any wrong doing just other business that was not against the law to purchase all of those . 
            I don't see any stealing any money from the Thai government bank and where are the evidences
           you could write down 3000 pages of accusing that is wrong and that it is  meant nothings. All I see just what 
            you said  that Thaksin  damaged these and those . Big deal ? You could not just pointing
            finger OH Thaksin did that and did this , So every body could do there was not any laws against that.
           

 



this is called the conflict of interest, that is the new kind of Corruption in my country.  I dont feel anything if a guy from a communist country which lack of people investigation like you can not understand this.   All relevant evidence are in the court right now. 

This conflict of interest is a form of corruption that Thaksin uses his government power to support his business directly and indirectly.  For example, by changing the law about the fee that his cell phone company have to pay to the government.  Even his company does anything folowing the law, but the law was enacted by his government.  In developedcountries like UK and USA, this kind of thing is called "corruption".   

You always talk about the evidence of my accusation.  Sorry Guys, you can find that in the supreme court of Thailand. 

But if you think that I wrongly accuse Thaksin, why don't you show any proofs that my accusation is wrong.

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Dark Angel wrote:
           I don't see any wrong doing just other business that was not against the law to purchase all of those . 
            I don't see any stealing any money from the Thai government bank and where are the evidences
           you could write down 3000 pages of accusing that is wrong and that it is  meant nothings. All I see just what 
            you said  that Thaksin  damaged these and those . Big deal ? You could not just pointing
            finger OH Thaksin did that and did this , So every body could do there was not any laws against that.
           

 




 After I read your comment, I think you are too innocent about the corruption.  When the goverment wnat to buy a stuff from a private company, the most appropriate price ahould be the market price.  But the price that the government has to pay is higher than the market price, this will be from the coalition between the people in the government and the business men from the private companies.  This easily lead to corruption.

Another example is that if your government use 1 trillion Kip to construct 1,000 km highway, this could bring about the corruption when that 1 trillion kip can really build 1,500 km highway.

In sum, you should follow the news in my country more closedly.  the one opposing Thaksin always show the evidence about Thaksin's corruption.  Even the supreme court, when they judged that Thaksin is guilty, this means that the supreme court has enough evidence to judge like that.  Thaksin knows that he can not argues with this evidence, that's why he wont show up in the supreme court of Thailand at all.



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True Liar Thaksin, the Fake Democratic Leader, the Advocator of Military Dictators (Myanmar and Fiji)

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Adapted from Plaew See Ngoen' s Commentary in Thai Post on November 7, 2008

Outstanding Thaksin's cronies, Vera Musikapong, Jaturon Chaisaeng, Jatuporn Prompan, Natawut Saikua, Jakrapop Penkae, as mouthpieces of Thaksin as well as Thaksin himself, always claim Thaksin Shinawatra to be a democratic hero against military coup and dictatorship. They also oppose any legacy from such military coup, such as Asset Scrutinizing Committee (ASC = AEC Asset Examination Committe) and the 2007 Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand.

In the November 1, 2008 gathering of the red-shirt UDD/DAAD (Democratic Alliance against Dictatorship) Thaksin and his cronies publicly declared themselves anti-coup. They condemned military coup as a wicked enemy to democracy, destroying good people. All of their on stage show-off made them look like they really worship democracy. But do they?

Looking back on how Thaksin got extremely rich, was it not because of Thaksin dearly serving the coup led by General Sunthorn Khongsomphong and General Suchinda Kraprayoon who formed the absolute authority called National Peace Keeping Council (NPKC) ? The military coup which was staged on February 23, 1991, ousted the PM Chatichai Choonhavan which headed a democratically elected government.

Was it not both husband and wife, Thaksin and Potjaman, who were crouching down to lick the military coup leader's ass to win the sole satellite concession of Thailand, "Thai Com". Thaksin always praised General Sunthorn "If without this elder brother of mine, I will not have today". Don't they remember the trembling bodies and the flattering behaviours of them fawning over the military coup leader, General Sunthorn, on December, 17, 1993 when Thai Com satellite took off into the space from French Ghiana launching pad?

The communication satellite project started in 1983. Several companies submitted proposals but could not finalized until 1990. Eventually, Shinawatra Computer and Communication Company Limited won the bidding and signed the contract on September 11, 1991 seven months after the military NPKC was at its peak.



Above Photo: Thaksin joined the party of the military coup leaders who helped winning telecommunication concession

The best witness of Thaksin's success must be General Sampan Boonyanan, a former Minister of Defense in 2004 Thaksin's cabinet. This chief of military staff was the closest escort of General Sunthorn who, before his death, authorized Sampan to be a joint executor with his secretive mistress "Nong Yui".

Thaksin, a skillful merchant, as always, returned a huge business favor as General Sampan had facilitated the approach to the coup leader by rewarding Sampan with a minister's seat when Thaksin already climbed into the PM seat.

Thaksin's Up and Down with Satellites.

Chatichai Choonhavan got into the Prime Minister post in August 1988. His cabinet got a good chance when Indochina, particularly Thailand, became peaceful and prosperous because of foreign investments while Thailand under General Prem Tinasulanond had saved a lot under strict economic disciplines. Chatichai's cabinet however, was named a "Buffet Cabinet" because of a lot of rumours about corruptions involving the Ministers, especially expanding of nation's infrastructures, constructions and telecommunication projects.

During PM Chatichai Choonhavan's term, Thaksin who was still a merchant, wanted a state concession in telecommunication. By keeping very close, Thaksin courted police captain Chalerm Yoobamroong who was the Minister of the Office of the Prime Minister, then (1988 - Feb 1991). Police captain Chalerm, without bidding, was just about to offer the concession to Thaksin when there arose a conflict and Chalerm changed his mind to give it to Thaksin's competitor instead.

It was at the same time when top military officers from the powerful military cadet class number 5 exposed threats against the PM Chatichai government. PM Chatichai had to divide a concession for conventional telephone to let General Isarapong Noonpakdi, a top military officer from the military cadet class number 5, have a stake in the commission via passing on the concession to C.P. group, another of Thaksin's competitors.

When the government lost its righteousness, it also lost its popular support through verbal attacks in the media and outbursts by military leaders in the public. PM Chatichai tried several other tactics to defuse the tension between his government and the military but all to no avail. Incorporating General Arthit Kamlang-ek into the cabinet, as well as regular weekly morning breakfast with military leader on Wednesday did not help. Chatichai's cabinet was ousted by NPKC on February 23, 1991 while stepping on board a plane.

General Sunthorn Khongsomphong, the Supreme Commander was the head of the National Peace Keeping Council (NPKC) and General Suchinda Kraprayoon, the Commander-in-Chief, Air Chief Marshal Kaset Rojananil, the Commander-in-Chief of the Royal Air Force, Admiral Prapat Krisanajan Commander-in-Chief of the Navy were Deputy leaders. General Isarapong Noonpakdi, Deputy Commander-in-Chief was the secretary of the NPKC.

Thaksin got straight to General Sunthorn Khongsomphong through a strong connection, the closest escort "General Sampan Boonyanan" to monopolize the only national satellite of Thailand.

Contrarily, it was the three leaders of PAD who stood up against the military dictator regime which was conspiring to carry on with its legacy after its promise to step aside for a democratic civillian government.

Major General Chamlong Srimuang, a civillian ex-soldier from military cadet class number 7, a former secretary to General Prem Tinasulanond, Somsak Kosaisuk, a life-long labour unionist and Sondhi Limthongkul stood up against NPKC-backed government, led by General Suchinda Kraprayoon who took up the Prime Minister post and ordered a bloodbath military crackdown on the pro-democracy rally on the Rajdamnern Avenue in May 1993, the very same site as the current PAD's rally.

This time, with PAD against Thaksin Shinawatra right after the zero-tax sale of Thaicom Satellite (with Shin Corporation worth 2 billion USD) to Temasek of Singapore, the rally has been initially and wholeheartedly led by Sondhi Limthongkul, the owner of the Manager Media Group, who successfully utilizes continuous cable television broadcasting of the non-stop rally via a satellite since May 25, 2008 in order to eradicate Thaksin's regime.

Additional comments:

After being ousted by 2006 coup, Thaksin in-exile, explicitly and financially supported Samak Sundaravej to be his proxy head of People's Power Party which holds all of Thaksin's MPs. Samak is a life-long right wing politician, who supported students massacre and wholeheartedly pro a military coup in October 1976. Samak was rewarded a Minister seat in that junta government. With Thaksin's support, Samak was allocated in the PM seat once again before he ended his political life.

Thaksin supported Police General Kowit Watana to be the Minister of Internal Affair in PM Somchai's cabinet. PM Somchai is Thaksin's brother-in-Law, another proxy PM, following Samak. Police General Kowit Watana was one of the five coup leaders by the name of the National Security Council formed on September 19, 2006.

Did Thaksin honestly follow the fair rules of the game? Even in Thaksin's pre-politics business competitions and any political campaigns, Thaksin insisted to play only the games that he monopolized and dictated the rules as he always told his followers. Whatever made him the upper hand, such as through strong (bribed) connections, he would do it, such as peeping into the tender offer documents of other competitors such as in the bidding for 3-million- number conventional telephone projects.



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•Thaksin's family's purchase of a nice peace of land (Ratchadapisek road) at abnormally low price of Baht 772 million from the Bank of Thailand's Financial Institutions Development Fund, with arrangement to avoid taxes and city's construction laws
>>>>>>>>>>>> this case was judged by the supreme court already.  Thaksin was judged gulty of using the power of Prime Minsiter wrongly to support his wife to bid the land from the government agnecy.  This is cllaed conflict of interest.

•Purchase of poor quality rubber saplings worth Baht 1.44 billion by the Department of Agriculture, Ministry of Agriculture and Co-operatives.
>>>>>>>>>> this is also judged by the supreme court. it said that there is not enough evidence about corruption.  Yeah, The supreme court of Thailand is fair.  If there is not enough evidence, they will not say that anyone is guilty at all.


•Purchase of luggage conveyor belts and too many and too expensive CTX 9000 bomb scanners for the new Suvarnabhumi Airport. Damage to state: Baht 1.5 billion.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This case is still in the court to be judged soon.


•Issuances of two and three-digit lottery tickets by the Government Lottery Bureau and illegal exploitation of the money. Damage to state: Baht 37,790 billion
>>>>>>>> this case was judged already. some related officials are found guilty and was punished already.  For Thaksin's part, the supreme court is waiting for Thaksin to show up, then the court can make its judgement over Thaksin soon.

 
•Loans by the Government's Krung Thai Bank executives. Damage to state: Baht 5,185 billion
>>>>>>>>>> the supreme court is considering this case and will make its judgement with the evidences on hands soon.

 
•Change in agreement on revenue sharing for prepaid mobile phone service to benefit his Advanced Info Service (AIS). Damage to state: Baht 71,667 billion
>>>>>>>>>> the supreme court is considering this case and will make its judgement with the evidences on hands soon.


•Change in agreement on the rate of revenue sharing between the Telephone Organization of Thailand (TOT) and AIS. Damage to state: Baht 700 million
>>>>>>>>>> the supreme court is considering this case and will make its judgement with the evidences on hands soon.


•Issuing of an executive decree on telecommunications excise taxes, and a cabinet resolution turning concession fees into excise taxes. Damage to state :Baht 30.667 billion
>>>>>>>>>> the supreme court is considering this case and will make its judgement with the evidences on hands soon.

•Ordering Exim Bank to allow the Burmese (Myanmar military) Government to draw loans amounting to Baht 1 billion in order to buy products and services from his Shin Satellite.
>>>>>>>>>> the supreme court is considering this case and will make its judgement with the evidences on hands soon.



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Look at the following news.  Now, it could be more difficult for Thaksin and Pues Thai Party to win the next nation-wide election.  Because from the election to restore 2 MPs into the parliament in Mahasarakham and Prachineburi on early january.  The result is that the one from Pue Thai Party beated the other from Bhumjaithai party by only 1,000 votes.  Moreover, in Prachineburi, Bhumjaithai Party won Pue Thai with landslide.

This may prove that the popularity of Thaksin is not that great anymore.  Thanks for any people who recieved the accurate information and know what is right or wrong.



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Puea Thai triumphs in Maha Sarakham poll

MAHA SARAKHAM, 4 January 2010 (NNT) – The Opposition Puea Thai Party has won the by-election in the northeastern province of Maha Sarakham on 3 January 2010.

Puea Thai candidate Prayut Siripanich gained 111,394 votes while Bhumjaithai candidate Komkai Udornpim received 110,158 votes in Sunday’s poll. Thaen Khun Phaendin Party candidate Boonthorn Upanan got only 2,037 votes.

There were 6,175 abstaining ballots and 2,524 void ballots from the voter turnout of 65.8%, according to Maha Sarakham Election Commission (EC) Chairperson, Wit Limanonwarachai.

Mr Wit reported that there were no electoral frauds found in the election at present. He said the provincial EC office would submit the unofficial results to the central EC within Monday. The official results are expected within 30 days if no frauds or any other poll-related problems are reported.

After acknowledging his victory, Mr Prayut has expressed his thanks for the supporting votes and pledged that he would take the utmost attempt to work as a MP.

Kajit Chainikhom from the Opposition Puea Thai Party was earlier disqualified from his Maha Sarakham MP post due to illegally organizing entertainment for voters.

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Bhumjaithai triumphs in Prachin Buri by-election

PRACHIN BURI, 11 January 2010 (NNT) – The coalition Bhumjaithai Party won a by-election with a landslide victory against the opposition Puea Thai Party in Prachin Buri province on 10 January 2010.

Bhumjaithai Party candidate Amnat Wilawan gained 132,468 votes while Puea Thai candidate Sit Sitthimongkol scored only 69,898 votes. Relatives and close friends of Mr Amnat congratulated him after the election results were unofficially announced.

There were 16,385 abstaining ballots from the voter turnout of 222,000 or 65.86%. There were 333,867 eligible voters in the province.

The seat was made vacant by Democrat MP for Prachin Buri Kiattikon Phakphiansin who announced his resignation from the lower house as well as from the ruling Democrat Party on 7 September 2009 due to his dissatisfaction with Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva.


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Damapongs - Shinawatras Tax Frauds : The Guilty Verdict

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Defendant No.1 : Mr.Bannapot Damapong, adopted elder brother of Lady Potjaman
Defendant No.2 : Lady Potjaman Damapong Shinawatra, the wife then of Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin Shinawatra
Defendant No.3 : Mrs.Kanjanapa Honghern, private secretary to Potjaman

Allegations : Falsification of statements for 546 million baht tax avoidance of the 738-million-baht worth of shares of Shinawatra Computer and Communication (public) Co.,Ltd., which is a violation of article 37(1)(2) of the Revenue Code and a violation of articles 83 and 91.

Right Honourable Mr.Pramote Pipatpramote, the senior judge and the case owner together with his quorum presided a court session to pass a sentence at the Criminal Court on July 31, 2008 at 9:00 am.

Summary of the verdict, with minor additional clarification in brackets.
Exchange rate estimation for 1 USD = 35 bahts.
Related rulings of the family's scandals revealed.

Lady Potjaman, Bannapot and Kanjanapa attended the Court session together with Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin and their children.



The Criminal Court passed the ruling on the case black or.1149/2550 which the attorney general had indicted: 59 years old Mr.Bannapot Damapong, the former executive president of Shin Corporation (public) Co.,Ltd.; 51 years old Lady Potjaman Damapong Shinawatra; 51 years old Mrs.Kanjanapa Honghern, private secretary to Potjaman, to be the defendant number 1, 2 and 3, with allegations of tax avoidance with frauds, fraudulent declaration, or deliberate falsification of statements.

First allegation: on November 7, 1997, all three defendants conspired to deceitfully or fraudulently or trickily avoid tax of 273,060,000 bahts.

Second allegation: between May 18 to August 30, 2001 the first and second defendants conspired to declare or provide falsified statements to avoid tax according to category 2 of the Revenue Code, resulting in the state's lost of 273,060,000 bahts and indemnity of 273,060,000 bahts, to make a total of 546,120,000 bahts. [USD 15.6 million ]

The Court has thoroughly deliberated the evidences and witnesses which both the plaintiff and the defendants presented. The final facts reached, were that the second defendant intended to give the first defendant 4.5 million shares of Shinawatra Computer [which later change its name to Shin Corporation (public) Co.,Ltd.], in posessesion of Ms.Duangta Wongpakdee who acted as a nominee shareholder [of Potjaman]. However, the transactiion was carried out as a trade in the Stock Exchange on November 7, 1997 when Patra Security (public) Co.,Ltd. was the broker for the amount of 4.5 million shares at 164 bahts per share, totalling of 738 million bahts. The second defendant [Potjaman] was the payer instead [of Bannapot], with a cheque to Patra Security. After Patra Security deducted the commission fee and VAT, Patra Security then issued a crossed cheque for the shares value to Miss Duangta. The cheque was then deposited to the original account of the second defendant [Potjaman] under the full control of the third defendant in every step.

When the first defendant [Bannapot] submitted the income statement for the year 1997, the first defendant did not declare the shares received as an income to calculate the income tax. Whereas the second defendant [Potjaman] did not include the money received from Patra Security in the taxable income list when calculated the income tax because trading in the Stock Exchange is tax-exempted according to article 42(17) of the Revenue Code and Ministry Regulation No.126 in accordance with tax-exempted item 2(23) of the Revenue Code.

In 2000, during the National Counter Corruption Committee (NCCC) 's investigation of the actuality and the presence of the assets and liabilities of Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin Shinawatra, the first and the third defendants [initially] testified to the subcommittee of the NCCC that the second defendant [Potjaman] splitted up of some shares to give to the first defendant, not a sale. The NCCC later ruled that Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin submitted falsified statements.

The revenue department, then requested the information from the NCCC to investigate for tax collection. The first and the second defendants testified to tax investigation officers that the transfer of shares was an affectionate gift during a ritual, traditional or cultural occasion; therefore, it was not taxable income as it was exempted according to article 42(10) of the Revenue Code. The investigation for tax coleection was then discontinued.

This case has a matter of law which the defendants raised to oppose that the CNS Announcement Number 30 is contradictory to the 2007 Constitution. The Constitution Court have already ruled in the case number 5/2008 that the CNS Announcement Number 30 is not contradictory to the 2007 Constitution. The ruling is applicable to all cases. Therefore, it is not necessary to consider this argument.

Another argument of the defendants is that the Attorney General does not have the authority to indict because it contradicts to the item 9 of the CNS Announcement Number 30 which stipulates a filing to relevant bodies first before filing to the police for criminal indictment. The criminal court judges that the second clause of item 9 of the CNS Announcement Number 30 extraordinarily authorized and endorsed ASC [Assets Scrutiny Committee]. Filing the case to the Attorney General is valid and hence the plaintiff has the authority to indict.

Regarding the issue of whether or not the three defendants conspired to fraudulently or trickily avoided tax, as seen from the facts above, despite that having nominated proxy shareholders can be practiced in the Stock Exchange, it is obvious that there was no actual trade between the first and second defendants. The transaction was a deceit to conceal the actual intents, thus a fraud to enable the second defendant, the seller, to have the earning from the shares sold as tax-exempted income.

Regarding the issue of whether or not the shares received by the first defendant are taxable income but which is extra statutory concessions, the first defendant testified to the subcommittee of the NCCC that it was a gift from the second defendant who splitted up of some shares to give to the first defendant, not a sale, because the first defendant has long helped the businesses of Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin and the second defendant [Potjaman] from the beginning, as well as he has been the borrower and guarantor for them.



The Court sees that because of the importance of the scrutiny of the assets according to article 295 of the 1997 Constitution [by the NCCC] which could have impeached Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin from the PM post and prohibited him from political posts for five years; therefore, the first defendant who had a very close relationship to Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin, must have carefully prepared the testimony which was the very first initial statement without being investigated with tax issues and without this indictment. Thus, his testimony is considered likely to be factual.

Although that investigation did not include the issue of shares as a gift, as appeared in this case, the gift from the second defendant [Potjaman], the spouse of Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin, during such a very important occasion according to the first defendant [Bannapot] 's claim, could have been mentioned in the testimony. However, instead of mentioning what occasion was the gift for, he testified only that it was a split up of some shares to give to him, not a sale whereas there were extensive detail in other cases. As a result, it is considered that the second defendant [Potjaman] gave shares to the first defendant [Bannapot] by a division which means in itself that it is not a traditional or ritual or cultrual occasion gift.

After the NCCC had [already] charged Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin with deliberate submission of falsified statements, the first and second defendants then testified to the Constitution Court and tax officers that the second defendant [Potjaman] gave shares as a gift to the first defendant [Bannapot] by the observance of righteousness that he has been a co-founder and a partner in business when in the occasion that he got married and got a child. The later reasoning which is different from the initial testimony, is likely to be just a claim for tax exemption.

Also the claims of the first and second defendants that the second defendant [Potjaman], in order to even the statuses among the siblings, had wished to give the shares to the first defendant [Bannapot] since 1996 as a gift for the celebration of his mariage but Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin was too busy upon entering politics and was occupied with management matters and that the gift was thus postponed until the son of the first defendant [Bannapot] was one year old, are contradictory to the testimony of the first defendant [Bannapot] and such shares had belonged to the second defendant [Potjaman] who had the third defendant as an advisor and assets manager acting on behalf of her all along. The transfer of the shares was therefore possible by the third defendant [Kanjanapa] alone.

Therefore, if the transfer of the shares were to be for a gift for marriage, then the second defendant [Potjaman] could have just informed the third defendant [Kanjanapa] to proceed without having to bother or involve Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin and his management as they claimed.

Although Pol. Gen. Preawpan Damapong, Mrs.Somsong Kruachai and Mrs.Busba Damapong testified that the second defendant [Potjaman Damapong Shinawatra] had used to say that she would like to give shares to the first defendant [Bannapot Damapong] as a marriage gift; the testimonies are [naturally] likely to be for the defendants' interests, thus [relatively] weightless, since the witnesses have close relationship with the defendants.

Therefore, the concluded fact is that the second defendant [Potjaman] gave the shares to the first defendant [Bannapot] not in the affectionate manner during a ritual, traditional or cultural occasion according to article 42(10) of the Revenue Code.

The next issue is whether or not the shares fall into the category of a fostering income following the observance of righteousness according to article 42(10). During the shares were transferred, the first defendant [Bannapot] was the president director of Shinawatra Computer and Communication (public) Co.,Ltd. and directors of companies in Shin Corporation which were secured businesses. In the income statement for income tax, he declared 23,554,503.53 bahts of taxable income before expenditures and exemptions, which is very high. He also had securities as shares in many other companies.

Obviously, the first defendant [Bannapot] was not in the needy status which required fostering according to the laws. The second defendant [Potjaman] thus did not have the obligation following the observance of righteousness to foster the first defendant [Bannapot]. Any giving for whatever reasons may not be considered as following the observance of righteousness. Consequently, it may not to be ruled that the income worth of shares value, which was
received by the first defendant [Bannapot] is taxable income which is extra statutory concessions.

The next issue is whether or not the three defendants conspired [fraudulently] to avoid tax. According to the case, the [straightforward] transfer of the shares would be taxed for 273,060,000 bahts. The second defendant [Potjaman] did not transfer the shares to the first defendant [Bannapot] despite that transferring could be done in the Stock Exchange without commission fee and VAT for the broker. Instead, the second defendant [Potjaman] fraudulentlly and deceitfully traded the shares in the Stock Exchange, and was prepared to pay 7,380,000 bahts commission fee and VAT, in order to conceal the giving which was the actual intention.

The acts indicate the intention of the second defendant [Potjaman] to avoid income tax in the processes of giving and accepting which the second defendant [Potjaman] was supposed to be the payer of the tax. Therefore, fraudulent trade was carried out [by the three defendants] to conceal the giving.

Being the private secretary of the second defendant [Potjaman], the third defendant [Kanjanapa] who carried out shares transfer, has her husband who is an officer in Patra Security which is the broker in this case. The third defendant [Kanjanapa], therefore, must have possessed good knowledges about shares and transfer of shares. Her testimony also is in agreement with the second defendant [Potjaman]'s that before the shares transfer, they were consulting and advising together. As a result, it is to be ruled that the third defendant [Kanjanapa] knowingly conspired with the second defendant [Potjaman] to [fraudulently] avoid tax.

As for the first defendant [Bannapot], he knew from the beginning that the second defendant [Potjaman] would give him the shares but when the third defendant [Kanjanapa] asked him for the security trading account number informing him that it was for buying the shares, the first defendant [Bannapot] gave it away without resisting or questioning which is unusual for an honest practice. Additionally, there was no declaration of this income in his 1997's income statement.

Following deliberation of the above findings as well as the relationship between the first and second defendants, it is to be ruled that the first defendant conspired and jointly committed the crimes with the second and third defendants. Therefore, they are all joint principal culprits.

In conclusion, the witnesses and evidences presented by the plaintiff are more reasonable and solid. The defendants' witnesses and evidences cannot rebut. The facts obtained are without reasonable doubts, in accordance with the plaint that the three defendants conspired to avoid tax by frauds or deception or tricks or by any other similar means.

The next issue is whether or not the first and second defendants conspired to declare falsified statements to avoid tax. To the revenue department request for a tax payment investigation following the ruling of the NCCC that Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin had submitted falsified assets statements, the first and second defendants testified as the court ruled above, refusing the allegations. Therefore, the defendants gave falsified statements to claim exemption not to pay tax. The revenue department was misled and believed the statements resulting in the first defendant exempted from tax payment.

The facts obtained are without reasonable doubts, in accordance with the plaint that the first and second defendants deliberately declared falsified statements or exhibited fraudulent evidences to avoid tax.

The three defendants have high economic and social statuses, particularly the second defendant [Potjaman] who is the wife [then] of the country's administrator[Thaksin]. Apart from the obligation to behave as other good citizens, they should have behaved as good examples to fit their high statuses.

Instead, they conspired to give falsified statements to avoid tax, which is illegal, and unjust to the society and the tax system whereas the amount of tax avoided by the first defendant and the total of the tax which was eventually to be paid by the seond defendant is incomparable to the assets in the possession of the second defendant and her family, at that moment.

The first defendant could have paid the tax without affecting the status of the second defendant. Thus, the misfeasances by the first and second defendants are severe.

The Court thus passes the verdict that the three defendants are guilty of violation of article 37(2) of the Revenue Code in association with article 83 of the Criminal Code. In Addition, the first and the second defendants are guilty of violation of article 37(1) of the Revenue Code in association with article 83 of the Criminal Code.

The first and the second defendants' acts are various different acts. The punishments are to be in orderly count as stipulated by article 91 of the Criminal Code. The sentences for the offence of conspiracy to deceitfully or fraudulently or trickily or by similar means to avoid tax, are imprisonment of the three defendants for two years each. The sentences for the offence of declaration of falsified statements or exhibition of fraudulent evidences to avoid tax, are imprisonment of the first [Bannapot] and the second defendants [Potjaman] for one year each. The total imprisonment for the first and the second defendants are three years each.

Within two weeks after the Criminal Court of the first instance passed the verdict of guilty and the jail sentences, indicating failure to bribe the judges, the principal culprits jumped bails and fled to U.K.. It was a full house of Shinawatras who followed Potjaman Damapong Shinawatra to go out shopping in London.



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Wow!!! my friend, I don't want to go too deep to defend Mr Thaksin as you said that is Thai internal affair but you put me in the situation to debate then I would  and make it short and simple OK my friend . If Abhisit government has solid and plenty of evidences as you claimed. Why don't  prime minister Abhisit let the world court or the united nation court or any countries in the world put Mr ThaKsin on trial  and try to prove him guilty in the international court of law which is fair and neutral unlike the Thai court which is controlled by the dictators? It could be in the UK , Germany , US  , Japan or even Laos .  Unless there are no evidences or rubbish then the world court will throw all the charges in the trash can and laughing at prime minister Abhisit  . As you said before that many countries would not give Mr Thaksin visa such as UK,Germany  , Laos.....etc  because those countries are honor and accepted only the current government who are in power in the capital that is the international foreign policy. That does not mean Thaksin is guilty of any thing , The yellow shirt are the murderers shot and ran over the police by the car and shooting at people in the public and shut down the airport which caused Thailand billions of dollars  and shut down  the parliament and committed violent crimes are still in the Abhisit government. Every time I  dig out the truth and the fact out and you are up set and lost your temper and try to change the subject or topic to Laos economy and problems. Let trial Mr Thaksin in any neutral countries so Mr Thaksin could go back and  win the election again and be able to  help the Thai economy and poor people . If Mr Abhisit really wants to put the corruption government officials in jail or former prime ministers who had already stolen the Thailand's money , they are plenty of them and are still living in Thailand . Don't have to spending a lot of money to follow Mr Thaksin every where that he goes. There are a lot of corrupted government officials in Thailand from former prime ministers to current ministers, general and it is much cheaper . Those people are the   real cunning thieves who have already stolen The country 's money and plenty of evidences unlike  Mr Thaksin, there are no evidences but accused . Every penny that Thaksin has , he earns them. Mr Thaksin became a billionaires long before he became the prime minister. Go ahead and arrest the real corrupted  former and current ministers and prime ministers in Thailand, they  are all corrupted  and took  bribes and stole the country 's money. There is no the justice in Thailand specially the new constitution which were rewritten by the dictators and also lese Majesty law ( 15 years in prison what it has any things to do with the national security with the crownprince sexal conduct) which the Thai government are spending a lot of money to enforce instead of using those money  to help the poor kids in school but to cover up the truth about the crownprince and it is too bad the whole world know and saw in the you tube. The people don't want to talk  about it because they are afraid. Don't get me wrong I love the king. Now you made me mention something that could bring myself in trouble. I have heard the story before but I have never believed the story  until I saw  with my own two eyes on the you tube .
     



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Kwanchai Praipana Sarakam, Udorn Lover leader, a local gangster chief who always organizes mob attacks on peaceful PAD's gathering. Click to see more of his violence in The Tyranny We Are Up Against





Suporn Attawong, Northeast Rambo, a Former Nakorn Ratchasima MP in Thai Rak Thai party, proudly holds a riot control rifle forcefully seized from an officer in the Ministry of Interior. He is indicted with a violation of the emergency state declaration. The incidence included brutal tampering of the car and beating up of the cabinet secretariat, Nipon Prompan and his driver which resulted in serious injuries to both victims.





Nipon Prompan sustained two fractures of the ribs and internal injuries.




Fortune Teller Lak Lekanithet, who likes to symbolistically flag his decisive predictions, has been long employed to host fortune telling programs on mobile phones under AIS under Shinawatra business empire. He went on the red-shirts stage on April 12, 2009 just before Red rioting in Bangkok, to cheer up the red-shirts with his self-made sacred images.

To the red crowd, he also predicted that PM Abhisit would finish by calling a house dissolution and Thaksin would be victorious by April 20, 2009. He hade made some predictions on TV in the early half of 2006 in favour of Thaksin that Thailand would be prosperous in 2007 and 2008 because of PM Thaksin. Unfortunately for this fortune teller whose master, Thaksin, really goes out of luck, his predictions have been wrong again and again.





Ex-Pop singer Arisman Pongruangrong and ex-MP of Thai Rak Thai led red-shirts army roaming in Chonburi and into Pattaya Royal Cliff Beach Resort Hotel which hosted ASEAN summit meeting. He took over the Press room to air his victorious cancellation of the ASEAN summit meeting.



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Joined Communist Party October 6, 1973, Surachai Sae-Dan wearing communist guerilla green cap when surrendered himself to the police. Both Arisman and Surachai are charged with trespassing to seize the Royal Cliff Beach Resort Hotel which hosted ASEAN summit meeting, violently tampering the Prime Minister's car and rioting.





Nude Star, Methee Amornwuthikul, got on the red-shirts stage and was caught on VDO, instigating the protestors to kill PM Aghisit and some others by brutal means. He persuaded the crowd to go after them, to beat them up and behead them." He is indicted and arrested for instigating violence and leading persuasion to violate the laws.

Luckily, Methee did not strip on the red-stage to arouse more emotion of the already agitated red-shirts. Otherwise, he would be arrested with another offense, being a furious naked knight.




Nattawut Sai-kua, UDD/DAAD red-shirts core leaders, took the law in his own hand, interogated a captured suspected spy claimed to be threatening the rally within the red rally site perimeter (below). Earlier in 2006, he led a riot of UDD in Bangkok, at the front of the house of the President of the Privy council.(above)



 



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Giles Ji Ungpakorn got on the red-shirts stage, wearing bright red-shirt to condemn the Lese Majeste law. Later, with his publication, "A Coup For The Rich", he was charged by the police of committing Lese Majeste. He jumped bail in February 2009 and left his teaching post at Chulalongkorn University for Britain, claiming that he is not a Thai, but a half Chinese half British. His articles proved himself as a faithful in what he preaches, Marxism-Leninism Communism.

Below are comments by Michael H. Nelson, Center for the Study of Thai Politics and Democracy, King Prajadhipok Institute, on books writen by Giles Ji Ungpakorn during the past decade.



Ungpakorn, Ji. 1996. The Struggle Against the Military for Thai Democracy. [?]: Asia Research Centre, Murdoch University. (=Working Paper No. 55) 26 pp.

The author’s hero is the Bangkok working class and its struggle for democracy. In his attempt to elevate its place in Thai historical writings, he first reinterprets historical events (1932, 1973, 1992) to show that the working class had, in fact, substantial part in them, unfortunately without providing any systematic review of primary or secondary accounts. For readers who have not been convinced by his preceding presentation, the author proposes to eliminate the problem of social categorization altogether by using the “Marxist” definition of class according to which everyone who does not own the means of production belonged to the working class. Consequently, by definition, almost every urban and many rural Thai citizen belong to this working class, hence its dominating role in promoting democratization in Thailand. This trick also solves the problem of the “new myth of the middle class [that] has been created, [and] which further disguises the central role of the working class.”

Ronayos's Comment : It is a silly twist and lies to include unawakened majority of labourers and farmers in the 1932, 1973, 1992 in the rise-up democratic movements, in order to over-price communism.


Ungpakorn, Ji. 1997. The Struggle for Democracy and Social Justice in Thailand. Bangkok: Arom Pongpangan Foundation. 130 pp.

As this essentially is a political manifesto, there does not seem to be a need for an academic abstract. Instead, let the author himself describe his perspective: “Socialism is the most complete form of democracy because socialism means the democratic control of economic production as well as the trappings of political office. Only with socialism can we have production for human need [is this the same as the ‘collective need’ mentioned below; is there any difference to human or collective wants/needs; do humans now produce for non-human or inhuman need and how is this logically and practically possible?].


Yet, socialism has, for decades, been buried under the authoritarian hand of the followers of Stalin or Mao. In Russia, Eastern Europe, China and many third world countries, socialism has come to mean a strong authoritarian and oppressive state. This is the opposite of what Marx or Lenin stood for. [Marx, certainly, but Lenin? Wasn’t it him, together with Trotzky, who set in motion what Stalin later perfected?] The Stalinist view of socialism has been a weakening force in the struggle for freedom, democracy and justice in Thailand. The time has come to reclaim socialism, even in Thailand, for it is clear that Thai capitalist economic development alone is not solving the problems of poverty, oppression and ill health.” (p. 12)

The author wants to change Thailand’s political-economic order to a socialist system, i.e., “the common democratic ownership of the means of production by the workers [one wonders exactly what this may mean in practice as the author rules out state-ownership, i.e. the conventional definition of socialism], so that production can be organized for collective need, rather than profit or accumulation” (p. 117). Who is supposed to decide what the collective need is, and what will happen to those who disagree, e.g. because they consider profit and accumulation as their human need as well as the collective need?

Ronayos's Comment : It is another silly twist and lies to condemn authoritharianists who indeed exploited socialism, just to make him look better. Giles himself preaches deceitful authoritarianistic communism which is got caught here.



Ungpakorn, Ji Giles. 1999. Thailand: Class Struggle in an Era of Economic Crisis. Hong Kong: Asia Monitor Resource Centre; Bangkok: Workers’ Democracy Book Club. 118 pp.

Another political pamphlet by Giles who has been successful in establishing himself as what must be the most dogmatic and sectarian Marxist-Leninist author in Thailand. It is theoretically bizarre to say that Rama V has been the “ruler of Thailand’s first capitalist state in the 1870s” (p. 7). In order to argue against the assumption that middle class or civil society were naturally pro-democratic he goes as far as stating, “the German Nazi party was fundamentally a middle class party” (p. 97), with his sole source being—Trotzky! The concluding three sentences of this publication read, “However, at the end of the day, strengthening trade union struggles alone will not bring about the transformation to socialism. To do that, workers need a Marxist party with political clarity. An important part of that clarity must come from a proper assessment of the failure of the CPT (Communist Party of Thailand) and a clear understanding of the nature of the modern working class under capitalism.” (p. 116)

Ronayos's Comment : It is another silly twist and lies to market communism at the price of condemning trade union struggles.



Ungpakorn, Ji. 1999. “Three Stages in the Development of the Thai Capitalist State.” Asian Review 11 (1997): 1-26.

The three stages mentioned in the title are (1) “The absolute monarchy: formation of the first capitalist state (Rama V-1932)”; (2) “Military domination of the capitalist state (1932-1980s)”; and (3) “Bourgeois domination of the [capitalist] state (1980s-present)”. As the authors sees it, it was the “mainly working class mass movement”, though some other groups are conceded a role, that weakened the power of the military and increased the scope of democracy. Unfortunately, though, the working class had been poorly organized and lacked political self-confidence which made it possible for the bourgeoisie to reap the benefits of the working class struggle and achieve “its present overwhelming political domination of the Thai capitalist state” (p. 26).

Ronayos's Comment : It is another silly twist and lies to include Bourgeois domination for communist success. However, actually, a decade after his book was writen, it sounds strange that he does not respect the Bourgeois's rise up against the corrupt Capitalist Thaksin's regime. Instead, he and his communist colleagues wholeheartedly turn to support the corrupt capitalist.


From
Thai Politics Bibliography
Compiled and annotated by Michael H. Nelson
Center for the Study of Thai Politics and Democracy
King Prajadhipok Institute



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Wow!!! my friend, I don't want to go too deep to defend Mr Thaksin as you said that is Thai internal affair but you put me in the situation to debate then I would  and make it short and simple OK my friend . If Abhisit government has solid and plenty of evidences as you claimed. Why don't  prime minister Abhisit let the world court or the united nation court or any countries in the world put Mr ThaKsin on trial  and try to prove him guilty in the international court of law which is fair and neutral unlike the Thai court which is controlled by the dictators? It could be in the UK , Germany , US  , Japan or even Laos .  Unless there are no evidences or rubbish then the world court will throw all the charges in the trash can and laughing at prime minister Abhisit  . As you said before that many countries would not give Mr Thaksin visa such as UK,Germany  , Laos.....etc  because those countries are honor and accepted only the current government who are in power in the capital that is the international foreign policy. That does not mean Thaksin is guilty of any thing , The yellow shirt are the murderers shot and ran over the police by the car and shooting at people in the public and shut down the airport which caused Thailand billions of dollars  and shut down  the parliament and committed violent crimes are still in the Abhisit government. Every time I  dig out the truth and the fact out and you are up set and lost your temper and try to change the subject or topic to Laos economy and problems. Let trial Mr Thaksin in any neutral countries so Mr Thaksin could go back and  win the election again and be able to  help the Thai economy and poor people . If Mr Abhisit really wants to put the corruption government officials in jail or former prime ministers who had already stolen the Thailand's money , they are plenty of them and are still living in Thailand . Don't have to spending a lot of money to follow Mr Thaksin every where that he goes. There are a lot of corrupted government officials in Thailand from former prime ministers to current ministers, general and it is much cheaper . Those people are the   real cunning thieves who have already stolen The country 's money and plenty of evidences unlike  Mr Thaksin, there are no evidences but accused . Every penny that Thaksin has , he earns them. Mr Thaksin became a billionaires long before he became the prime minister. Go ahead and arrest the real corrupted  former and current ministers and prime ministers in Thailand, they  are all corrupted  and took  bribes and stole the country 's money. There is no the justice in Thailand specially the new constitution which were rewritten by the dictators and also lese Majesty law ( 15 years in prison what it has any things to do with the national security with the crowd prince sexal conduct) which the Thai government are spending a lot of money to enforce instead of using those money  to help the poor kids in school but to cover up the truth about the crowd prince and it is too bad the whole world know and saw in the you tube. The people don't want to talk  about it because they are afraid. Don't get me wrong I love the king. Now you made me mention something that could bring myself in trouble. I have heard the story before but I have never believed the story  until I saw  with my own two eyes on the you tube .
     



-- Edited by Dark Angel on Monday 25th of January 2010 05:40:29 PM

You always say that there is no evidence about the Thaksin's corruption.  Actually, we have it in the supreme court right now.  And if you want to mention about the other bad politiians or government officials, I would be delight to tell you that a lot of them was judged guilty by the supreme court for their corruption already.  Some of them was Minister, and even Police Chief.   You should look at the previous news regarding corruption of my country, if you would like to open your eyes. 

That's why I can say that a lot of bad guys including Thaksin have to be put into the prison.  Now, the National Anti Corruption Committee is working so hard.  Maybe, you should know that even the president of the parliament, he also has a case with the national anti corruption committe.  And If he is judged guilty, his case will be sent to the supreme cpurt for impeachment soon.  That's why I can say that our supreme court and the national anti corruption committee are working well to fight with all bad politicians and government officers, based on any evidence at hands.

For the poor, Thailand has spent a lot of budgets to help the poor.  Look at our hospital schools and universities, all of them is availble to all people even some people from LAOS.  Dont be concern about them so much, because their standard of living is better than that in some neighboring countries.

You always talk about the inequality between the people in Bangkok and those in Isan.  Why don't you open your eye to Japan or US.  I have stayed in US for years, it is totally different between those in New York City and those in Oklahoma.  However, people in both cities have an enogh access to health cares services and education.  For Thailand, Even I san does not have a supertall building, but Thailand can provide them enough education and health cares services.  Moreover, Highway and rail system are available to them.

I dont need to mention about the monarchy.  But I believe that If someone did bad things, they would not get respect from people.  However, the King has done a lot of good things to the country, that;s why Thai people revere to him.

For Thaksin, he has ceated on his wife so many times.  There are a lot of rumors about him and some Thai famous singers.  He is also sex - addicted.

 



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Defendant No.1 : Mr.Bannapot Damapong, adopted elder brother of Lady Potjaman
Defendant No.2 : Lady Potjaman Damapong Shinawatra, the wife then of Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin Shinawatra
Defendant No.3 : Mrs.Kanjanapa Honghern, private secretary to Potjaman

Allegations : Falsification of statements for 546 million baht tax avoidance of the 738-million-baht worth of shares of Shinawatra Computer and Communication (public) Co.,Ltd., which is a violation of article 37(1)(2) of the Revenue Code and a violation of articles 83 and 91.

Right Honourable Mr.Pramote Pipatpramote, the senior judge and the case owner together with his quorum presided a court session to pass a sentence at the Criminal Court on July 31, 2008 at 9:00 am.

Summary of the verdict, with minor additional clarification in brackets.
Exchange rate estimation for 1 USD = 35 bahts.
Related rulings of the family's scandals revealed.

Lady Potjaman, Bannapot and Kanjanapa attended the Court session together with Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin and their children.



The Criminal Court passed the ruling on the case black or.1149/2550 which the attorney general had indicted: 59 years old Mr.Bannapot Damapong, the former executive president of Shin Corporation (public) Co.,Ltd.; 51 years old Lady Potjaman Damapong Shinawatra; 51 years old Mrs.Kanjanapa Honghern, private secretary to Potjaman, to be the defendant number 1, 2 and 3, with allegations of tax avoidance with frauds, fraudulent declaration, or deliberate falsification of statements.

First allegation: on November 7, 1997, all three defendants conspired to deceitfully or fraudulently or trickily avoid tax of 273,060,000 bahts.

Second allegation: between May 18 to August 30, 2001 the first and second defendants conspired to declare or provide falsified statements to avoid tax according to category 2 of the Revenue Code, resulting in the state's lost of 273,060,000 bahts and indemnity of 273,060,000 bahts, to make a total of 546,120,000 bahts. [USD 15.6 million ]

The Court has thoroughly deliberated the evidences and witnesses which both the plaintiff and the defendants presented. The final facts reached, were that the second defendant intended to give the first defendant 4.5 million shares of Shinawatra Computer [which later change its name to Shin Corporation (public) Co.,Ltd.], in posessesion of Ms.Duangta Wongpakdee who acted as a nominee shareholder [of Potjaman]. However, the transactiion was carried out as a trade in the Stock Exchange on November 7, 1997 when Patra Security (public) Co.,Ltd. was the broker for the amount of 4.5 million shares at 164 bahts per share, totalling of 738 million bahts. The second defendant [Potjaman] was the payer instead [of Bannapot], with a cheque to Patra Security. After Patra Security deducted the commission fee and VAT, Patra Security then issued a crossed cheque for the shares value to Miss Duangta. The cheque was then deposited to the original account of the second defendant [Potjaman] under the full control of the third defendant in every step.

When the first defendant [Bannapot] submitted the income statement for the year 1997, the first defendant did not declare the shares received as an income to calculate the income tax. Whereas the second defendant [Potjaman] did not include the money received from Patra Security in the taxable income list when calculated the income tax because trading in the Stock Exchange is tax-exempted according to article 42(17) of the Revenue Code and Ministry Regulation No.126 in accordance with tax-exempted item 2(23) of the Revenue Code.

In 2000, during the National Counter Corruption Committee (NCCC) 's investigation of the actuality and the presence of the assets and liabilities of Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin Shinawatra, the first and the third defendants [initially] testified to the subcommittee of the NCCC that the second defendant [Potjaman] splitted up of some shares to give to the first defendant, not a sale. The NCCC later ruled that Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin submitted falsified statements.

The revenue department, then requested the information from the NCCC to investigate for tax collection. The first and the second defendants testified to tax investigation officers that the transfer of shares was an affectionate gift during a ritual, traditional or cultural occasion; therefore, it was not taxable income as it was exempted according to article 42(10) of the Revenue Code. The investigation for tax coleection was then discontinued.

This case has a matter of law which the defendants raised to oppose that the CNS Announcement Number 30 is contradictory to the 2007 Constitution. The Constitution Court have already ruled in the case number 5/2008 that the CNS Announcement Number 30 is not contradictory to the 2007 Constitution. The ruling is applicable to all cases. Therefore, it is not necessary to consider this argument.

Another argument of the defendants is that the Attorney General does not have the authority to indict because it contradicts to the item 9 of the CNS Announcement Number 30 which stipulates a filing to relevant bodies first before filing to the police for criminal indictment. The criminal court judges that the second clause of item 9 of the CNS Announcement Number 30 extraordinarily authorized and endorsed ASC [Assets Scrutiny Committee]. Filing the case to the Attorney General is valid and hence the plaintiff has the authority to indict.

Regarding the issue of whether or not the three defendants conspired to fraudulently or trickily avoided tax, as seen from the facts above, despite that having nominated proxy shareholders can be practiced in the Stock Exchange, it is obvious that there was no actual trade between the first and second defendants. The transaction was a deceit to conceal the actual intents, thus a fraud to enable the second defendant, the seller, to have the earning from the shares sold as tax-exempted income.

Regarding the issue of whether or not the shares received by the first defendant are taxable income but which is extra statutory concessions, the first defendant testified to the subcommittee of the NCCC that it was a gift from the second defendant who splitted up of some shares to give to the first defendant, not a sale, because the first defendant has long helped the businesses of Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin and the second defendant [Potjaman] from the beginning, as well as he has been the borrower and guarantor for them.



The Court sees that because of the importance of the scrutiny of the assets according to article 295 of the 1997 Constitution [by the NCCC] which could have impeached Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin from the PM post and prohibited him from political posts for five years; therefore, the first defendant who had a very close relationship to Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin, must have carefully prepared the testimony which was the very first initial statement without being investigated with tax issues and without this indictment. Thus, his testimony is considered likely to be factual.

Although that investigation did not include the issue of shares as a gift, as appeared in this case, the gift from the second defendant [Potjaman], the spouse of Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin, during such a very important occasion according to the first defendant [Bannapot] 's claim, could have been mentioned in the testimony. However, instead of mentioning what occasion was the gift for, he testified only that it was a split up of some shares to give to him, not a sale whereas there were extensive detail in other cases. As a result, it is considered that the second defendant [Potjaman] gave shares to the first defendant [Bannapot] by a division which means in itself that it is not a traditional or ritual or cultrual occasion gift.

After the NCCC had [already] charged Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin with deliberate submission of falsified statements, the first and second defendants then testified to the Constitution Court and tax officers that the second defendant [Potjaman] gave shares as a gift to the first defendant [Bannapot] by the observance of righteousness that he has been a co-founder and a partner in business when in the occasion that he got married and got a child. The later reasoning which is different from the initial testimony, is likely to be just a claim for tax exemption.

Also the claims of the first and second defendants that the second defendant [Potjaman], in order to even the statuses among the siblings, had wished to give the shares to the first defendant [Bannapot] since 1996 as a gift for the celebration of his mariage but Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin was too busy upon entering politics and was occupied with management matters and that the gift was thus postponed until the son of the first defendant [Bannapot] was one year old, are contradictory to the testimony of the first defendant [Bannapot] and such shares had belonged to the second defendant [Potjaman] who had the third defendant as an advisor and assets manager acting on behalf of her all along. The transfer of the shares was therefore possible by the third defendant [Kanjanapa] alone.

Therefore, if the transfer of the shares were to be for a gift for marriage, then the second defendant [Potjaman] could have just informed the third defendant [Kanjanapa] to proceed without having to bother or involve Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin and his management as they claimed.

Although Pol. Gen. Preawpan Damapong, Mrs.Somsong Kruachai and Mrs.Busba Damapong testified that the second defendant [Potjaman Damapong Shinawatra] had used to say that she would like to give shares to the first defendant [Bannapot Damapong] as a marriage gift; the testimonies are [naturally] likely to be for the defendants' interests, thus [relatively] weightless, since the witnesses have close relationship with the defendants.

Therefore, the concluded fact is that the second defendant [Potjaman] gave the shares to the first defendant [Bannapot] not in the affectionate manner during a ritual, traditional or cultural occasion according to article 42(10) of the Revenue Code.

The next issue is whether or not the shares fall into the category of a fostering income following the observance of righteousness according to article 42(10). During the shares were transferred, the first defendant [Bannapot] was the president director of Shinawatra Computer and Communication (public) Co.,Ltd. and directors of companies in Shin Corporation which were secured businesses. In the income statement for income tax, he declared 23,554,503.53 bahts of taxable income before expenditures and exemptions, which is very high. He also had securities as shares in many other companies.

Obviously, the first defendant [Bannapot] was not in the needy status which required fostering according to the laws. The second defendant [Potjaman] thus did not have the obligation following the observance of righteousness to foster the first defendant [Bannapot]. Any giving for whatever reasons may not be considered as following the observance of righteousness. Consequently, it may not to be ruled that the income worth of shares value, which was
received by the first defendant [Bannapot] is taxable income which is extra statutory concessions.

The next issue is whether or not the three defendants conspired [fraudulently] to avoid tax. According to the case, the [straightforward] transfer of the shares would be taxed for 273,060,000 bahts. The second defendant [Potjaman] did not transfer the shares to the first defendant [Bannapot] despite that transferring could be done in the Stock Exchange without commission fee and VAT for the broker. Instead, the second defendant [Potjaman] fraudulentlly and deceitfully traded the shares in the Stock Exchange, and was prepared to pay 7,380,000 bahts commission fee and VAT, in order to conceal the giving which was the actual intention.

The acts indicate the intention of the second defendant [Potjaman] to avoid income tax in the processes of giving and accepting which the second defendant [Potjaman] was supposed to be the payer of the tax. Therefore, fraudulent trade was carried out [by the three defendants] to conceal the giving.

Being the private secretary of the second defendant [Potjaman], the third defendant [Kanjanapa] who carried out shares transfer, has her husband who is an officer in Patra Security which is the broker in this case. The third defendant [Kanjanapa], therefore, must have possessed good knowledges about shares and transfer of shares. Her testimony also is in agreement with the second defendant [Potjaman]'s that before the shares transfer, they were consulting and advising together. As a result, it is to be ruled that the third defendant [Kanjanapa] knowingly conspired with the second defendant [Potjaman] to [fraudulently] avoid tax.

As for the first defendant [Bannapot], he knew from the beginning that the second defendant [Potjaman] would give him the shares but when the third defendant [Kanjanapa] asked him for the security trading account number informing him that it was for buying the shares, the first defendant [Bannapot] gave it away without resisting or questioning which is unusual for an honest practice. Additionally, there was no declaration of this income in his 1997's income statement.

Following deliberation of the above findings as well as the relationship between the first and second defendants, it is to be ruled that the first defendant conspired and jointly committed the crimes with the second and third defendants. Therefore, they are all joint principal culprits.

In conclusion, the witnesses and evidences presented by the plaintiff are more reasonable and solid. The defendants' witnesses and evidences cannot rebut. The facts obtained are without reasonable doubts, in accordance with the plaint that the three defendants conspired to avoid tax by frauds or deception or tricks or by any other similar means.

The next issue is whether or not the first and second defendants conspired to declare falsified statements to avoid tax. To the revenue department request for a tax payment investigation following the ruling of the NCCC that Pol. Lieut. Maj. Thaksin had submitted falsified assets statements, the first and second defendants testified as the court ruled above, refusing the allegations. Therefore, the defendants gave falsified statements to claim exemption not to pay tax. The revenue department was misled and believed the statements resulting in the first defendant exempted from tax payment.

The facts obtained are without reasonable doubts, in accordance with the plaint that the first and second defendants deliberately declared falsified statements or exhibited fraudulent evidences to avoid tax.

The three defendants have high economic and social statuses, particularly the second defendant [Potjaman] who is the wife [then] of the country's administrator[Thaksin]. Apart from the obligation to behave as other good citizens, they should have behaved as good examples to fit their high statuses.

Instead, they conspired to give falsified statements to avoid tax, which is illegal, and unjust to the society and the tax system whereas the amount of tax avoided by the first defendant and the total of the tax which was eventually to be paid by the seond defendant is incomparable to the assets in the possession of the second defendant and her family, at that moment.

The first defendant could have paid the tax without affecting the status of the second defendant. Thus, the misfeasances by the first and second defendants are severe.

The Court thus passes the verdict that the three defendants are guilty of violation of article 37(2) of the Revenue Code in association with article 83 of the Criminal Code. In Addition, the first and the second defendants are guilty of violation of article 37(1) of the Revenue Code in association with article 83 of the Criminal Code.

The first and the second defendants' acts are various different acts. The punishments are to be in orderly count as stipulated by article 91 of the Criminal Code. The sentences for the offence of conspiracy to deceitfully or fraudulently or trickily or by similar means to avoid tax, are imprisonment of the three defendants for two years each. The sentences for the offence of declaration of falsified statements or exhibition of fraudulent evidences to avoid tax, are imprisonment of the first [Bannapot] and the second defendants [Potjaman] for one year each. The total imprisonment for the first and the second defendants are three years each.

Within two weeks after the Criminal Court of the first instance passed the verdict of guilty and the jail sentences, indicating failure to bribe the judges, the principal culprits jumped bails and fled to U.K.. It was a full house of Shinawatras who followed Potjaman Damapong Shinawatra to go out shopping in London.



     

 



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You always talk about the les majesty law. As a Thai people, I am so OK with the law, and most Thai people think so. That's why I can say that this is not your business. it's only Thai people business.

If you wanna talk about the human right, you should have more concern about the Human Right in your copuntry. The lese Majesty Law in my country is less severe than being under the communist government for sure.

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Giles Ji Ungpakorn, The Communist-Marxist-Leninist Living Evidence of Thaksin's Lese Majeste

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Giles Ji Ungpakorn got on the red-shirts stage, wearing bright red-shirt to condemn the Lese Majeste law. Later, with his publication, "A Coup For The Rich", he was charged by the police of committing Lese Majeste. He jumped bail in February 2009 and left his teaching post at Chulalongkorn University for Britain, claiming that he is not a Thai, but a half Chinese half British. His articles proved himself as a faithful in what he preaches, Marxism-Leninism Communism.

Below are comments by Michael H. Nelson, Center for the Study of Thai Politics and Democracy, King Prajadhipok Institute, on books writen by Giles Ji Ungpakorn during the past decade.



Ungpakorn, Ji. 1996. The Struggle Against the Military for Thai Democracy. [?]: Asia Research Centre, Murdoch University. (=Working Paper No. 55) 26 pp.

The author’s hero is the Bangkok working class and its struggle for democracy. In his attempt to elevate its place in Thai historical writings, he first reinterprets historical events (1932, 1973, 1992) to show that the working class had, in fact, substantial part in them, unfortunately without providing any systematic review of primary or secondary accounts. For readers who have not been convinced by his preceding presentation, the author proposes to eliminate the problem of social categorization altogether by using the “Marxist” definition of class according to which everyone who does not own the means of production belonged to the working class. Consequently, by definition, almost every urban and many rural Thai citizen belong to this working class, hence its dominating role in promoting democratization in Thailand. This trick also solves the problem of the “new myth of the middle class [that] has been created, [and] which further disguises the central role of the working class.”

Ronayos's Comment : It is a silly twist and lies to include unawakened majority of labourers and farmers in the 1932, 1973, 1992 in the rise-up democratic movements, in order to over-price communism.


Ungpakorn, Ji. 1997. The Struggle for Democracy and Social Justice in Thailand. Bangkok: Arom Pongpangan Foundation. 130 pp.

As this essentially is a political manifesto, there does not seem to be a need for an academic abstract. Instead, let the author himself describe his perspective: “Socialism is the most complete form of democracy because socialism means the democratic control of economic production as well as the trappings of political office. Only with socialism can we have production for human need [is this the same as the ‘collective need’ mentioned below; is there any difference to human or collective wants/needs; do humans now produce for non-human or inhuman need and how is this logically and practically possible?].


Yet, socialism has, for decades, been buried under the authoritarian hand of the followers of Stalin or Mao. In Russia, Eastern Europe, China and many third world countries, socialism has come to mean a strong authoritarian and oppressive state. This is the opposite of what Marx or Lenin stood for. [Marx, certainly, but Lenin? Wasn’t it him, together with Trotzky, who set in motion what Stalin later perfected?] The Stalinist view of socialism has been a weakening force in the struggle for freedom, democracy and justice in Thailand. The time has come to reclaim socialism, even in Thailand, for it is clear that Thai capitalist economic development alone is not solving the problems of poverty, oppression and ill health.” (p. 12)

The author wants to change Thailand’s political-economic order to a socialist system, i.e., “the common democratic ownership of the means of production by the workers [one wonders exactly what this may mean in practice as the author rules out state-ownership, i.e. the conventional definition of socialism], so that production can be organized for collective need, rather than profit or accumulation” (p. 117). Who is supposed to decide what the collective need is, and what will happen to those who disagree, e.g. because they consider profit and accumulation as their human need as well as the collective need?

Ronayos's Comment : It is another silly twist and lies to condemn authoritharianists who indeed exploited socialism, just to make him look better. Giles himself preaches deceitful authoritarianistic communism which is got caught here.



Ungpakorn, Ji Giles. 1999. Thailand: Class Struggle in an Era of Economic Crisis. Hong Kong: Asia Monitor Resource Centre; Bangkok: Workers’ Democracy Book Club. 118 pp.

Another political pamphlet by Giles who has been successful in establishing himself as what must be the most dogmatic and sectarian Marxist-Leninist author in Thailand. It is theoretically bizarre to say that Rama V has been the “ruler of Thailand’s first capitalist state in the 1870s” (p. 7). In order to argue against the assumption that middle class or civil society were naturally pro-democratic he goes as far as stating, “the German Nazi party was fundamentally a middle class party” (p. 97), with his sole source being—Trotzky! The concluding three sentences of this publication read, “However, at the end of the day, strengthening trade union struggles alone will not bring about the transformation to socialism. To do that, workers need a Marxist party with political clarity. An important part of that clarity must come from a proper assessment of the failure of the CPT (Communist Party of Thailand) and a clear understanding of the nature of the modern working class under capitalism.” (p. 116)

Ronayos's Comment : It is another silly twist and lies to market communism at the price of condemning trade union struggles.



Ungpakorn, Ji. 1999. “Three Stages in the Development of the Thai Capitalist State.” Asian Review 11 (1997): 1-26.

The three stages mentioned in the title are (1) “The absolute monarchy: formation of the first capitalist state (Rama V-1932)”; (2) “Military domination of the capitalist state (1932-1980s)”; and (3) “Bourgeois domination of the [capitalist] state (1980s-present)”. As the authors sees it, it was the “mainly working class mass movement”, though some other groups are conceded a role, that weakened the power of the military and increased the scope of democracy. Unfortunately, though, the working class had been poorly organized and lacked political self-confidence which made it possible for the bourgeoisie to reap the benefits of the working class struggle and achieve “its present overwhelming political domination of the Thai capitalist state” (p. 26).

Ronayos's Comment : It is another silly twist and lies to include Bourgeois domination for communist success. However, actually, a decade after his book was writen, it sounds strange that he does not respect the Bourgeois's rise up against the corrupt Capitalist Thaksin's regime. Instead, he and his communist colleagues wholeheartedly turn to support the corrupt capitalist.


From
Thai Politics Bibliography
Compiled and annotated by Michael H. Nelson
Center for the Study of Thai Politics and Democracy
King Prajadhipok Institute



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        After I saw Giles video about the Crown prince sexual conduct , I feel sad and disappointed.

 



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Lawyers Council Announcement on Thaksin's Lies

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Lawyers Council of Thailand's
Announcement on The Case of a Convicted by Thai Court of Justice Who Fled and Distributed a Statement with Distorted Facts



The distribution of a statement through various media both domestic and foreign by Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra who has been convicted by the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions for a two-year imprisonment, to inform both domestic and foreign mass media, shows a crucial intent to provide false information to the audiences such that "for why the court convicted him was because he was a politician who was so successful as to be a Prime Minister for two terms".

The Lawyers Council considers such acts as an intention to commit a court contempt and a disrespect to the Thai judiciary system despite of his best opportunity to defend the case. The Lawyers Council, threfore, release this announcement to condemn such acts as follows.

1. Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra, having a Thai nationality, was a defendant in a criminal case which underwent an adjudication by the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions. The court which holds the righteous jurisdiction, having carried out a deliberation of the indictments and the defendants' statements including the testomonies by litigants' witnesses, reached a guilty verdict upon Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra and sentenced him to a two-year imprisonment.

The processes were duely according to the laws and the Procedure Code of the Thai Judiciary which Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra was aware. Even during Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra's Prime Minister's term, several other ex-ministers were convicted by the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions, without a chance of appeal as the verdicts had been final, following the enforcement of 1997 Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand.

Whereas with 2007 Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand, Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra, the currently convicted by the Supreme Court and a fugitive on-the-run still has the rights to appeal to the plenary session of the Supreme Court justices before November 20, 2008. Evidently, for this, the latter constitution is more generous than the 1997 Constitution. Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra, therefore, cannot excuse himself to the public on such claims. His claims may not be considered otherwise, apart from words of a politician who does not respect the country's laws, and words of groundless, unreasonable and unworthy to accept.

2. As for Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra's claim that the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions convicted him because he was a politician, he must have known well from the very beginning when he got into politics as the leader of Thai Rak Thai party, that there have been cleary stated legislations in the Constitution and Code of Procedures for the proceedings upon Holders of Political Positions for the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions to be applied to any Thai politicians who were extensively committing corruptions.

As for Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra's claim that he and his party won the majority twice, he did not explain how he won the elections and whether or not the majority was fairly won with democratic exercises like in Britain or other countries. Also, he did not explain why his party was disbanded according to the verdict of the Constitutional Tribunal in which Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra had once been narrowly acquited for the indictment of hiding his shares.

3. Lawyers Council has an opinion that both 1997 and 2007 the Kingdom of Thailand's Constitutions' designation of forms of adjudicaton to suit politicians are well-finalized matter of facts for over ten years since there have long been extensive corruptions both direct and indirect as well as conflicts of interests. Therefore, the courts must possess swift proceedings for the holding of political positions are as short as four years. If usual proceedings for criminal cases were to be applied, it could be too late and the nation would have lost as much as ten or hundred thousands of millions bahts without a chance to recover it. Consequently, the presence of the Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions has helped speeding up adjudication by as many as nine experienced and qualified senior Supreme Court judges whom had undergone a selection by a plenary session of the Supreme Court judges. Any politicians like Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra had their best opportunities to defend in fair trials.

4. Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra may not claim that there was no law against him. Actually and all along, there have been such laws, into which the court looked. For Ratchadapisek land auction, there is no politician in any developed or developing countries who would commit such actions of allowing the spouse or relatives to purchase state's lands. Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra must understand that politicians must not have conflicts of interests. It is not justifiable that politicians, once being candidates, later turning to have political power in their hands, would be able to do anything followed by such acts of turning to attack the judiciary system. Those are nonsense, desperate and unacceptable by the world.

Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra must know and follow the Office of the Prime Minister's Regulations for the Moral and Ethical Standards of Political Civil Servants 2000 article 12 which states that "Political civil servants must not use their status or their political civil servants positions to earn unjust benefits, for themselves or for others, no matter valuable assets or else." Since, the ethical rules have already been present all along, therefore, Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra has to ask himself for whether or not he followed them and if not Why?

5. Lawyers Council has an opinion that the Minister in the Ministry of the Office of the Prime Minister who has the authority to order and control the Public Relations Department must carry out its duty according to the Prime Minister's Regulations for the Code of Ethics of Political Civil Servants 2008:

article 25 which states that "Political civil servants must not use or distort the state's information to mislead or for their or for others' benefits.";

article 26 which states that "Political civil servants must protect state's assets and utilize state's assets according to the due purposes only."; and

article 28 which states that "Political civil servants must not get acquainted to or support the outlaws or any people of corrupt behaviours."

These regulations have been enforced since 2000 and revised in Samak Sundravej's government on August 22, 2008. Therefore, broadcasting or permission to release the news of the state's station must not directly or indirectly assist any convicted.

In addition, if the case of Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra is finished, the National Police Bureau which is the original affiliation which had issued the rank of "Police Lieutenant Colonel" must remove the rank of and dismiss Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra because he has been convicted and sentenced for jail immediately, while at the same time, the Office of the Secretariat of the Cabinet must quickly revoke all the decorations since Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra's acts of court contempt may not be accepted. Consequently, he should no longer deserve any rank or decorations.

Lawyers Council as a professional organization in the judiciary system, having considered the acts of Pol. Lt. Col. Thaksin Shinawatra a willingful intention to commit a disrespect to the Thai judiciary system and to mislead foreigners in the transparency and the just of Thai courts, therefore, issues this announcement to relevant persons and officials to sharply and duly execute the duties.

Lawyers Council of Thailand's Announcement
October 31, 2008




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Maybe, the leader of some neighboring country of Thailand does the same thing too.  

But, yo nmay not know for your whole life, because there is no freedom of speech in your country.

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I don't mind. I love the King and the Princess Sirindhorn.

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          It is Ok to love the king and the princess Sirindhorn. I love them too. I love every body who are good and kind not only the king and the princess.

 



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narongchai_thi wrote:

I don't mind. I love the King and the Princess Sirindhorn.

-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Monday 25th of January 2010 06:55:39 PM



          It is Ok to love the king and the princess Sirindhorn. I love them too.

 



So What !!!!!!!!!

OH I can not believe.  A Laotian people Like you Love the Thai king or the KING of SIAM.

Can not believe.

You always say that Siam invaded LAos and took everuthing from Laos.  That's why I can not believe that You love Thai king.


 



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You always talk about the les majesty law. As a Thai people, I am so OK with the law, and most Thai people think so. That's why I can say that this is not your business. it's only Thai people business.

If you wanna talk about the human right, you should have more concern about the Human Right in your copuntry. The lese Majesty Law in my country is less severe than being under the communist government for sure.

-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Monday 25th of January 2010 06:56:02 PM



         Well, it  is none of our business but your conversation drove me to discuss it.

 



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Voices Against Thaksin and His Obedient Slaves
Posted by dryshrimp , Reader : 5530 , 11:55:09
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The second that the plane touched my homeland, I felt very happy.

I am home now.. back to the house I live every day. To see my dog wagging its tail cheerfully with his barking and running in a circle.
To see my nephew playing football game in front of his tv screen as usual.

And to the food I longed for during my time in russia.

The immigration police officers, all dressed in casual colorful songkran hawaiian shirt. The guy who checked my document looked quite friendly. I asked him,
" How's the immigration police? You're not joining forces in town?"
" No, we just stand by here looking after the airport."
" It's very critical time I think. I hope nothing happened here."
" We stick around, make sure of the tight security."

Lek called on his drive to the airport asking me to wait for him at starbuck on the third floor. I pushed my trolly up along the walkway to the third floor where there were so many people relaxed for their coming departure flight.

Starbuck was crowded but CafeNero was less and the sofa looked more comfortable so I ordered a cup of iced coffee and began sinking myself in the surrounded ambiance of the Thai lifestyle.

Lek turned up and started giving me a lot of information I missed. And we went straight to my house. The city along the roadside did not look like Thailand at songkran festival.

Too quiet and haunting quiet.
No noodle shops opened. I had to cook for myself with all the ingredients left in the fridge. My dog sat and waited for his food. He looked healthy because my nephew fed him well with dog's food. But he missed my culinary charm any way, such a loyal customer!!

I drove to the laundry on the way to the floating market. The shop owner told me that all the vendors were complaining a lot about the MP of Samutprakan who also acted like one of Thaksin slaves. He sent gangsters from slum to join the red-shirts protesters every time. The point was there were no tourists coming to enjoy the market for fear of the situation. Now, most villagers could not tolerate the disaster that effected them.
" We hate him and Thaksin and their support to terrorism in Bangkok."
Today, I went to the noodle shop near my house, all male and female customers were talking about politics, someone mentioned Jakrapob Penkae..
" He is female-dog face. He is coward."
" All the gang should be hanged and their seven generation should be punished just like the past law of Ayudhaya time."
" The thorns of Thailand."
" Thaksin liar"
" All his clan now ran out of Thailand like coward."
" They wanted to kill Abhisit and Nipon. If they succeeded, what could we do?"


I was deeply touched. Thaksin and all his obedient slaves are losing their credibility. Given the right information, people consume news and have their fair judgement.

Just like Tony Arnold, my TV instructor from the BBC TV saying to all students to bear in mind that,
"Audience have maximum intelligence, but minimum knowledge."

Thanks to the professional TV journalists this time, they feed the full knowledge.






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narongchai_thi wrote:

I don't mind. I love the King and the Princess Sirindhorn.

-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Monday 25th of January 2010 06:55:39 PM



          It is Ok to love the king and the princess Sirindhorn. I love them too . I love evry body who are good and kind not only the king and princess.

 



So What !!!!!!!!!

OH I can not believe.  A Laotian people Like you Love the Thai king or the KING of SIAM.

Can not believe.

You always say that Siam invaded LAos and took everuthing from Laos.  That's why I can not believe that You love Thai king.


 



-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Monday 25th of January 2010 07:03:30 PM

         My father is Thai  Esan

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narongchai_thi wrote:

You always talk about the les majesty law. As a Thai people, I am so OK with the law, and most Thai people think so. That's why I can say that this is not your business. it's only Thai people business.

If you wanna talk about the human right, you should have more concern about the Human Right in your copuntry. The lese Majesty Law in my country is less severe than being under the communist government for sure.

-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Monday 25th of January 2010 06:56:02 PM



         Well, it  is none of our business but your conversation drove me to discuss it.

 



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narongchai_thi wrote:

 

Dark Angel wrote:

 

narongchai_thi wrote:

I don't mind. I love the King and the Princess Sirindhorn.

-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Monday 25th of January 2010 06:55:39 PM



          It is Ok to love the king and the princess Sirindhorn. I love them too.

 



So What !!!!!!!!!

OH I can not believe.  A Laotian people Like you Love the Thai king or the KING of SIAM.

Can not believe.

You always say that Siam invaded LAos and took everuthing from Laos.  That's why I can not believe that You love Thai king.


 



-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Monday 25th of January 2010 07:03:30 PM

         My father is Thai .

 



So What.......  Now, You are a Lao citizen.    You dont need to care for our future in Thailand.  Anything you should do is for the country of Laos. 

Oh dont try to link the well beuing of Thai Isan to the country of Laos.    I know your strategy.

Actually, I am a chinese Thai who live in Chiyaphum.   I love Thailand so much and have no any relationship with China at all.  Presonally, If someone ask me to choose.  Definitely, I will choose to do anuything for the Interest of Thailand.

Dont try to say that a Chinese Thai like me looking down on THAI ISAN.  I have my closed friend from Roi ET (real TYhai ISAN).  Moreover, even my food, a lot of Thai ISAN are surprised that I can eat every spicy food (local ISAN food) like NAM PRIG.  My mother added a bunch of chilli and Plara (PlaDAK) in her papaya salad, and have this Papaya salad with me and my sister.

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narongchai_thi wrote:

I don't mind. I love the King and the Princess Sirindhorn.

-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Monday 25th of January 2010 06:55:39 PM



          It is Ok to love the king and the princess Sirindhorn. I love them too. I love every body who are good and kind not only the king and princess.

 



So What !!!!!!!!!

OH I can not believe.  A Laotian people Like you Love the Thai king or the KING of SIAM.

Can not believe.

You always say that Siam invaded LAos and took everuthing from Laos.  That's why I can not believe that You love Thai king.


 



-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Monday 25th of January 2010 07:03:30 PM

         My father is Thai Esan.

 



So What.......  Now, You are a Lao citizen.    You dont need to care for our future in Thailand.  Anything you should do is for the country of Laos. 

Oh dont try to link the well beuing of Thai Isan to the country of Laos.    I know your strategy.

Actually, I am a chinese Thai who live in Chiyaphum.   I love Thailand so much and have no any relationship with China at all.  Presonally, If someone ask me to choose.  Definitely, I will choose to do anuything for the Interest of Thailand.

          As I told you that I still have a lot of families and relatives are Thai citizen and they are still living in Esan and other side of Mekong river. My father is still living in Esan.

-- Edited by Dark Angel on Monday 25th of January 2010 07:24:31 PM

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Arrest Prem , He is one number corrupted person.

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Dark Angel wrote:

Arrest Prem , He is one number corrupted person.




 

Dark Angel, I can see that you've been engaging tensely about the politics in Thailand and even though I did not know what is all about, and whatever it is, I think you should already have proved your point by now and it is time to end it there brother. If you can't convince a person to believe in your reasoning theory, it is OK but at least you had tried and you also need to respect the other guy (narongchai) whose country is Thailand.  I am saying this with my good intention because I think you are a good man. 



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I have a question.

You always say that Thai Siam and Thai Chinese look down on the poor Thai Isan. I think so. but just some of them do that, not all of Thai Siam or Thai Chinese.

However, it happens everywhere that some rich people look down on poor people >>> US or Korea or Japan.

rich people in Laos never diss poor people ? Don't mention the topic about Siam invading Laos in the past. Now, it's not about the race. it's about the attitude of rich people. Do rich people in your country look down on poor people ?

-- Edited by narongchai_thi on Tuesday 26th of January 2010 12:28:19 AM

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