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Lao Chinatown Dropped

2010-07-01

A Chinese-Lao joint venture drops plans to build a Chinatown near the Lao capital.

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Motorcyclists ride past That Luang temple in downtown Vientiane, Dec. 9, 2009.

BANGKOK—A Chinese-Lao joint venture has pulled out of a deal to develop a Suzhou-style “model city” on the outskirts of the Lao capital, Vientiane, according to senior Lao officials.

The "New City Development Project," which involved a 50-year lease for 1,000 hectares of land in and around the That Luang Marsh, required the group to pay roughly 7,000 households a total of U.S. $400 million in compensation for relocating their homes.

Sinlavong Khoutphaythoune, a former mayor of Vientiane and current minister of planning and investment, said the concession had been canceled because the Chinese developer didn't want to pay the compensation.

“Previously, the government had an agreement with the Chinese company to build a new city. But this has already been canceled,” Khoutphaythoune said.

“Due to the high cost of compensation to residents in the area surrounding the location, there are no longer any companies interested in developing it.”

The joint venture comprised three Chinese firms and one Lao firm and was managed by the Suzhou Industrial Park Overseas Investment Co.

Khoutphaythoune said the Chinese company will revert its planned development to the original 1,000 hectares it had targeted near a Chinese-built stadium Laos used to host the 2009 Southeast Asia Games (SEA Games) in December.

Sombath Yialiheu, Vientiane’s current mayor, signed an agreement with Chinese officials to that effect on behalf of the Lao government, just one of 18 deals sealed during Chinese vice president Xi Jinping’s visit to Laos in mid-June.

Protected area

Khamouane Boupha, the Lao minister in charge of land management, said the That Luang Marsh has now been designated a protected area by Lao Prime Minister Bouasone Bouphavanh and that only environmentally friendly development projects would be considered going forward.

“The management plan for the That Luang Marsh involves preservation because it needs to serve as drainage for the city waste water,” Boupha said.

“Some people want to build houses over there, but if people do that they will have to balance the interests first. We have to think about mutual interests. We need to preserve [the marsh] and we have to think about the interests of the Lao people.”

Boupha said the government is considering ways to promote That Luang Marsh as a tourist destination and also as a reservoir that would help irrigate Vientiane in times of drought.

Plan with all parties

David Mann, program officer for the U.N. Food & Agriculture Organization (FAO) in Laos is overseeing planning for the marsh.

“Participatory in nature, it would bring the different stakeholders to the table. This would include developers who have a stake in the area, the population, the appropriate Lao ministries, and international cooperation agencies,” Mann said.

“[They would] come to the table and understand what are the strengths and weaknesses of the That Luang [Marsh], what are the proposed developments there, what are the potential impacts of these, and how can we come up with a coordinated plan for the development.”

Mann wouldn't rule out the development of a city site, similar to what the Chinese developer had proposed, but said it would include many more environmental precautions and ensure adequate compensation to relocated families.

But he cautioned that both the benefits and costs must be fully understood before the government hands out a long-term concession.

“The Lao people [must] understand—and this doesn’t just include the farmers on That Luang Marsh, but middle-class people and people in ministries—that something like U.S. $1.1 billion ... doesn’t mean that it is going to benefit the Lao people,” he said, alluding to the earlier proposed Chinese investment.

He said investment schemes such as the Chinese plan are unlikely to be fully funded even within the first five years of the project, affecting the quality of the development and the likelihood that displaced farmers would be provided with jobs in the new businesses brought with it.

Local residents are encouraged, Mann said, by the government’s decision to abandon the Chinese development plan, Mann said, and have been vocal in their suggestions for alternative projects.

The decision on new development plans will ultimately be made by the Lao government, he said, and the FAO hopes to have a complete concept paper ready for official signature by October in time for the 450th anniversary of Vientiane.

Chinese presence

Under initial terms of the 2007 agreement, China planned to hold several hundred hectares around the That Luang Buddhist monument on a 50-year lease with a 25-year option, with permission to develop the surrounding marshlands.

The project called for the development of a new city similar to Suzhou in eastern China’s Jiangsu province, renowned as a tourist draw for its bridges and lush panoramas, creating a sort of Chinatown in Vientiane directly next to the That Luang Temple, a symbol of Lao nationalism.

China’s presence in Laos has intensified rapidly since it organized a financial bailout of the impoverished country in the wake of the Asian financial crisis. Beijing provided U.S. $1.7 billion in export subsidies and interest-free loans, allowing Laos to stabilize the value of its currency during a crisis in 1998-99, according to official Chinese media.

Since 2000, Beijing has poured money into Lao infrastructure, including a “land bridge” through which Chinese goods can flow into Thailand.

China has expressed a strong desire to increase imports of natural resources from Laos, including timber, iron ore, copper, gold, and gemstones.

The new relationship was cemented with the visit by then President Jiang Zemin to Laos in November 2000, the first by a Chinese head of state, and Beijing agreed to cancel much of the Lao debt in 2003.

 

Good thing or bad thing??



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Good job Lao PM

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It's good for people who live in Thatlouang marsh but bad for people who live in Dong Phosy area.

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I hope this project progress because it will make both Chinese and Lao more closer to each other!

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samakomlao wrote:

Good job Lao PM




I'm a Chinese-lao currently living in Vientiane and I think this Project is good for Lao in the long run! Don't the Lao people want a chinatown in the capital!



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this is typicall chinese smart ass they don't want to pay more, but want to earn more!!!  this is a good news.. I would suggest Chinese investor to look for a new place  were is far way from capital and the city. and i guess the govt will be happy..

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samakomlao wrote:

Good job Lao PM




I'm a Chinese-lao currently living in Vientiane and I think this Project is good for Lao in the long run! Don't the Lao people want a chinatown in the capital!

 



我觉得不要建什么苏州城,现在中国人已经住在万象很多了,不久的将来万象也自然有CHINATOWN, 我还是建议要是真的要搞CHINATOWN,老挝很多郊区可以开拓,等待发展来到。 中国人主要愿意支付赔偿费,我们人民和中国应该没问题。



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Anonymous wrote:

 

samakomlao wrote:

Good job Lao PM




I'm a Chinese-lao currently living in Vientiane and I think this Project is good for Lao in the long run! Don't the Lao people want a chinatown in the capital!

 



我觉得不要建什么苏州城,现在中国人已经住在万象很多了,不久的将来万象也自然有CHINATOWN, 我还是建议要是真的要搞CHINATOWN,老挝很多郊区可以开拓,等待发展来到。 中国人主要愿意支付赔偿费,我们人民和政府应该没问题。

 




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I don't mind Chinatown.   In fact, I like Chinatow but it should be built away from Vientiane city.  Maybe in Phou Khao Khuay, in non-agricultural land.

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I don't mind Chinatown.   In fact, I like Chinatow but it should be built away from Vientiane city.  Maybe in Phou Khao Khuay, in non-agricultural land.




build it and give to " ghost " , not Chinese.. chinese are smart they know where is the right place for them.furious



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Way the go.....Lao PM.  Bouasone B.  This man is real deal....
Im glad that Lao PM decided not to allow anything or any venue in and around That Luang premises.  This area is a landmark of Lao culture, therefore, we need to reserve this as 4 tourist spot, no entertainment, no Hotel, no tech or night clubs etc....
For Chinatown, they need to build it somewhere out & away from the city.

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It's good for people who live in Thatlouang marsh but bad for people who live in Dong Phosy area.




Why? Are you affraid the project could be transposed to Dongphosy?

For my part, i fell happy to see that lao autorities care about the real benefits of development project for lao and local people.

 

Because you are right, some people in Dongphosy suffer from such "develpment"projects: the compensations for 450th year road, future malaysian commercial place or giant luxury vietnamese golf course seams to be very low (to be confirmed). People have to leave their land and cannot get enough compensation to buy new land in the same city.... so they will have to live without land or go to live further the capital city...

Anyway, i would be very interested to get more information about the details of those projects...I'm directly concerned.

But at least, for this project, the "chinese development area", seams that things will go the right way... i think it's a good news. I hope anyway, they will be able to build a new development project for the marsh, but a sustainable project... just less ambicious, but more realistic and reasonable.



-- Edited by paris_vientiane on Wednesday 28th of July 2010 10:58:33 AM

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Way the go.....Lao PM.  Bouasone B.  This man is real deal....
Im glad that Lao PM decided not to allow anything or any venue in and around That Luang premises.  This area is a landmark of Lao culture, therefore, we need to reserve this as 4 tourist spot, no entertainment, no Hotel, no tech or night clubs etc....
For Chinatown, they need to build it somewhere out & away from the city.




There are certainly oportunities to develop this place, why not with chinese if they are interested, but as stated above, such project should absoloutly not deserve the current role of this marsh

“The management plan for the That Luang Marsh involves preservation because it needs to serve as drainage for the city waste water,” Boupha said.

If your project do not respect this prerequisite (and chinese initial project seems to not respect it) , you'll cause many damage to many people living around the marsh, including Vientiane center city.

Moreover, the compensations is a real issue: why let some private investor do some huge benefits with a development project, if the damage for local people is too high to be compensated? This is not development, this is contra-development.

To measure the real benefits of the project, you have to measure the overall consequences and associated cost. If the cost of all bad effect is higher than the money you can get from good side, you have to forget or change your project, because money you earn should first be used to pay compensation or repair what you destroyed. Only after this, you can talk about "benefits". Seams than if you consider a decent compensations costs, the chinese company would not earn enough money with the project (as they don't want to pay). So this just mean their project was not a good project and have to be changed.



-- Edited by paris_vientiane on Wednesday 28th of July 2010 11:02:44 AM

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Anonymous wrote:

I don't mind Chinatown.   In fact, I like Chinatow but it should be built away from Vientiane city.  Maybe in Phou Khao Khuay, in non-agricultural land.




build it and give to " ghost " , not Chinese.. chinese are smart they know where is the right place for them.furious

 



^^ Why are you so racist towards us Chinese living in Lao?? We are Lao by nationality!

 



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Sincere person: wrote:

Way the go.....Lao PM.  Bouasone B.  This man is real deal....
Im glad that Lao PM decided not to allow anything or any venue in and around That Luang premises.  This area is a landmark of Lao culture, therefore, we need to reserve this as 4 tourist spot, no entertainment, no Hotel, no tech or night clubs etc....
For Chinatown, they need to build it somewhere out & away from the city.




^^^ I'm pretty sure Lao government are abou the people and the country but I think this project will have a bright future in the long run! Do you guys know how much the population of Chinese living in Lao?



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we are winner  !!!!Sahi Bouasone decide cancel Lao China town in Laos!!
 creat job Sahi Bouasone..Elso ,He stand by three head elephant flag!!!confuseconfuseconfuse

Katieu Katie in Laos.

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老挝是不喜欢中国?为什么有些人满意的。

-- Edited by 5OCENT on Monday 16th of August 2010 05:32:52 PM

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老挝是不喜欢中国?为什么有些人满意的。

-- Edited by 5OCENT on Monday 16th of August 2010 05:32:52 PM



吮吸我的大公鸡 50 cent

 



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他妈的你母亲笨蛋50美分你是卡利泰国我他妈的你妈妈和你的儿子sisther昨晚他们说他们喜欢老公鸡

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JingJing wrote:

I hope this project progress because it will make both Chinese and Lao more closer to each other!




 and turn the country into the china province! furious



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老挝是不喜欢中国?为什么有些人满意的。

-- Edited by 5OCENT on Monday 16th of August 2010 05:32:52 PM



50美分你是如此愚蠢白痴喜欢你的一只眼睛jek泰国国王,王后我他妈的我对她的脸像我暨公鸡,她告诉我她很他妈的她更困难,因为她喜欢老公鸡哈哈下次我会他妈的你的妻子当你不在家。

 



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JingJing wrote:

I hope this project progress because it will make both Chinese and Lao more closer to each other!



 我 是百分之100 老挝人,我不是不喜欢中国,不过我想 在老挝的中国人太多, 够多了,而且来的很多都是穷人, 更何况 来老挝之后 还不想说老挝话。  老挝和中国已经购近了 

   朋友是朋友,也要平等的利益。。。。

 



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JingJing wrote:

I hope this project progress because it will make both Chinese and Lao more closer to each other!



it is good for china who want to have henemonic power on this region like this name "Zhongguo" (middle country), but it is so not good for a small country if they want to maintain their identity.

 

 



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5OCENT wrote:

老挝是不喜欢中国?为什么有些人满意的。

-- Edited by 5OCENT on Monday 16th of August 2010 05:32:52 PM



50美分你是如此愚蠢白痴喜欢你的一只眼睛jek泰国国王,王后我他妈的我对她的脸像我暨公鸡,她告诉我她很他妈的她更困难,因为她喜欢老公鸡哈哈下次我会他妈的你的妻子当你不在家。

 

 



我的妻子是你的女儿。 lol

 



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5OCENT wrote:

ບັກແຫຼ້ wrote:

 

5OCENT wrote:

老挝是不喜欢中国?为什么有些人满意的。

-- Edited by 5OCENT on Monday 16th of August 2010 05:32:52 PM



50美分你是如此愚蠢白痴喜欢你的一只眼睛jek泰国国王,王后我他妈的我对她的脸像我暨公鸡,她告诉我她很他妈的她更困难,因为她喜欢老公鸡哈哈下次我会他妈的你的妻子当你不在家。

 

 



我的妻子是你的女儿。 lol

 



我没有女儿,如果你是我的女婿你是个死人你他妈的愚蠢的傻瓜类的低50美分母亲笨蛋,你是卡利jek泰国的儿子,你觉得老人们不知道如何写中文,我们知道所有的语言白痴。

 



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JingJing wrote:

I hope this project progress because it will make both Chinese and Lao more closer to each other!



 我 是百分之100 老挝人,我不是不喜欢中国,不过我想 在老挝的中国人太多, 够多了,而且来的很多都是穷人, 更何况 来老挝之后 还不想说老挝话。  老挝和中国已经购近了 

   朋友是朋友,也要平等的利益。。。。

 



你说得对,我们是老100%,我们不需要中文,泰文或vietmanese来,留在老挝老挝朋友刚刚从朋友之前,你得到的。

 



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Oh! Ho!! Ho!! We don't understand Chiness Sorry !!  HEHAO!



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Oh! Ho!! Ho!! We don't understand Chiness Sorry !!  HEHAO!

 




I think is bad thing for China town in Laos cancellation. That won't  be no money going into my Pocket. right



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Oh! Ho!! Ho!! We don't understand Chiness Sorry !!  HEHAO!

 




I think is bad thing for China town in Laos cancellation. That won't  be no money going into my Pocket. right

 

Dump peoples, I will find the way to exchange for money comimg into my Pocket. Will see another way

 




 



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I just got this idea and perhaps the lao officials would take a minute to consider its feasibility. If the initial plan of establishing a new china town is not successful then why not try this idea of mine : beside trying to attract only the chinese I think it would
also be interesting to make the same type of offer to other ethnics groups of people to form their own town such as "Thai town", "Viet town", "French town", American town", "Korean town" and so on.... I bet there are enough room in around Vientiane
to accomodate such land deals and I can only see the enormous benefits to the lao country given that the details of the shapes and forms of each "town" are to be worked out carefully. Any comments ?

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China now town will be built very soon in Vientiane, but now chinese just start to settle and earn some money, they will start to build their town as soon as they become the rich family among the Laotian.

cancel or not cancel for the china town, the result remain the same, we will have the china town in Laos soon..and the good thing is, the Lao ppls won't lose the land at Bueng that luang, but who knows in other places?? Lao ppls will sell it or lend to chinese..

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我觉得不要建什么苏州城,现在中国人已经住在万象很多了,不久的将来万象也自然有CHINATOWN, 我还是建议要是真的要搞CHINATOWN,老挝很多郊区可以开拓,等待发展来到。 中国人主要愿意支付赔偿费,我们人民和中国应该没问题。



Google Translate :

Do not build what I think the city of Suzhou, China is a lot of people have been living in Vientiane, and Vientiane in the near future are also naturally CHINATOWN, I suggest if the really wants to CHINATOWN, Laos, many rural areas can open up, waiting for development to. Chinese people are willing to pay major damages, our people and the government should be no problem.

 



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I dont want China town.... I live in China before, i know their personality very well

 Laos is peaceful country and peaceful people.... i love what we are rightnow....



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我觉得不要建什么苏州城,现在中国人已经住在万象很多了,不久的将来万象也自然有CHINATOWN, 我还是建议要是真的要搞CHINATOWN,老挝很多郊区可以开拓,等待发展来到。 中国人主要愿意支付赔偿费,我们人民和中国应该没问题。



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Do not build what I think the city of Suzhou, China is a lot of people have been living in Vientiane, and Vientiane in the near future are also naturally CHINATOWN, I suggest if the really wants to CHINATOWN, Laos, many rural areas can open up, waiting for development to. Chinese people are willing to pay major damages, our people and the government should be no problem.

 

 



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We're big winer about SAHI Bouasone has been cancel China Town in Laos.
this is our Victory in our heart, SAHI Bouasone stands by three head elephant flag!!!
please tell our people support with Sahi Bouasone ...no more China Town
in Laos.
Three head elephant flag will winer..biggrinconfuseevileye

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JingJing wrote:

I hope this project progress because it will make both Chinese and Lao more closer to each other!

yeah closer, I am a chinese, when your dictator's weak I will take it over your country. Dump A$$

it is good for china who want to have henemonic power on this region like this name "Zhongguo" (middle country), but it is so not good for a small country if they want to maintain their identity.

 

 




 



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My friend you are wrong in Phou Khao
Khouay more dangerous, better no where for them to build



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