why does vietnam help laos too much?

khonthakek · Guru

why does vietnam help laos too much?

Lao Isan · Senior Member

I wonder that myself. I think maybe because they want to take over Laos. There is alway string attach. Nobody is going help you for free or care about our family like us. I don't think Vietnam help Laos enough though. Under Vietnam great socialist for the past 30 year Laos is still the least developed country. Laos education, healthcare system are about 20 year behind our neighbor. We need Vietnam help to remove UXO from Laos. Seem like all the fund are mostly from Western country.

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Saturday 25th of September 2010 01:35:10 AM

Lao Isan · Senior Member

khonthakek if you don't mind me asking. Are you Viet or Lao? Im just wondering because you seem very pro Vietnam.

Dark Angel · Guru

Lao Isan wrote:

khonthakek if you don't mind me asking. Are you Viet or Lao? Im just wondering because you seem very pro Vietnam.

Who Am I ? who do you think you are ? See you soon ..... Haha...

khonthakek · Guru

Lao Isan wrote:

khonthakek if you don't mind me asking. Are you Viet or Lao? Im just wondering because you seem very pro Vietnam.

Hey, brother it's ok for your question, even if my city is full of vietnamese, But I am Lao. I only want to share the news on samakomlao, I post what is it on the news related to Laos. even the thailand, China..ect.

maribelle1226 · Senior Member

khonthakek wrote:

Lao Isan wrote:

khonthakek if you don't mind me asking. Are you Viet or Lao? Im just wondering because you seem very pro Vietnam.

Hey, brother it's ok for your question, even if my city is full of vietnamese, But I am Lao. I only want to share the news on samakomlao, I post what is it on the news related to Laos. even the thailand, China..ect.

I feel that Vietnam has a little too much influence in the Lao government.

Lao Isan · Senior Member

You are right Maribelle1226. Vietnam control Laos and Cambodian since 1975. But at least now new Lao leader are opening up the country to foreign investment, and cooperating with international community. EU, Japan, Thailand, China, Malaysia and so on to counter Vietnam influences.

Lao Isan · Senior Member

Thank for your reply Khonthakek. Are you from savannakhet? You said your city is full of Vietnamese. That doesn't sound too good because when Viet become a majority in Laos. We Lao have no chance of competing with them. Laos only have 6.8 million people. About 4 million are Lao ethnic the rest about 45% are ethnic minority. Vietnam has 85 million that a lot of doctor, lawyer, engineer, businessmen. They control the government. If they control Laos economies too. I think we might be in a bad shape. You know we might become a second class citizens in our own land.

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Saturday 25th of September 2010 12:54:51 PM

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Sunday 26th of September 2010 01:50:53 AM

khonthakek · Guru

Lao Isan wrote:

Thank for your reply Khonthakek. Are you from savannakhet? You said your city is full of Vietnamese. That doesn't sound too good because when Viet become a majority in Laos. We Lao have no chance of competing with them. Laos only have 6.8 million people. About 4 million are Lao ethnic the rest about 45% are ethnic minority. Vietnam has 85 million that a lot of doctor, lawyer, engineer, businessmen. They control the government big they control Laos economies I think we might be in a bad shape. You know a second class citizens in our own land.

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Saturday 25th of September 2010 12:54:51 PM

how come I am khonsavanh, I am Khonthakhek smile Yes they control the business in the town. We Lao people don't know how to make a business and the provincial govt permits many viets entry to Laos .. and also in the savanakhet and Champasack as well.

Many people are worried about the Chinese to build the china town, but no one worried about the Viets in Laos..and the viet Town.

Lao Isan · Senior Member

Dark Angel wrote:

Who Am I ? who do you think you are ? See you soon ..... Haha...

I'm Lao and love Laos. Just don't want to see Vietnam overrun Laos.

Lao Isan · Senior Member

khonthakek wrote:

how come I am khonsavanh, I am Khonthakhek Yes they control the business in the town. We Lao people don't know how to make a business and the provincial govt permits many viets entry to Laos .. and also in the savanakhet and Champasack as well.

Many people are worried about the Chinese to build the china town, but no one worried about the Viets in Laos..and the viet Town.

We worry and know about it, but we are powerless and has no say because there is no democracy, freedom of speech, press in Laos. Vietnam are too powerful and control Laos government. Viet are doing the same thing in Cambodia. There is hope their plan of taking over Laos will not succeed there will be WW3 soon.

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Sunday 26th of September 2010 01:47:29 AM

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Sunday 26th of September 2010 01:48:41 AM

LinLing · Veteran Member

Vietnam only has politcal influence on Laos Government. Which is why Laos isn't prosper or modernizing is because of these old Lao leaders lacking of logical ways to help the Lao people, then there own careers.

Dark Angel · Guru

I am dark Angel and you are Chinese, Vietnamese, Lao , Thai and American or falang are all human being , see you soon ... haha......

Lao Isan · Senior Member

LinLing wrote:

Vietnam only has politcal influence on Laos Government. Which is why Laos isn't prosper or modernizing is because of these old Lao leaders lacking of logical ways to help the Lao people, then there own careers.

Good point, but at least the new Lao leader are opening up the country. Many country are coming in and help developing Laos, since Vietnam is not doing much in the past 35 year. China, Thailand, European Union, Japan, Malaysia, India, Australia. I think Lao government know Vietnam has too much influences that is why they reach out to other for help, but at the same they can't just shut out Vietnam right away.

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Sunday 26th of September 2010 03:24:37 AM

taxi · Senior Member

Hey!! does any one know red shirt's com back?

Lao Isan · Senior Member

Red shirt are freedom fighter. They will not give up more protest are coming Bangkokpost.com.

khonthakek · Guru

taxi wrote:

Hey!! does any one know red shirt's com back?

they want to free their leaders, the water melon army are watching them... the red shirts need the stronger leaders.

Boonyean P · Veteran Member

When no Red Shirt, no Yellow Shirt, Thailand GDP = 7% and grow up forcast.

Lao Isan · Senior Member

When PM Thaksin, TRT, UDD, red shirt was in power everything in Thailand was better then now. Lao in northern, northeast Isan supported Thaksin Shinawatra. Red shirt are Lao.

Lao Isan · Senior Member

No yellow shirt, PAD in Thailand better.

OverUnity · Member

Lao Isan wrote:

When PM Thaksin, TRT, UDD, red shirt was in power everything in Thailand was better then now. Lao in northern, northeast Isan supported Thaksin Shinawatra. Red shirt are Lao.

This topic is about Vietnam, how come it deviated to Yellow Shirt and Red Shirt?

chiip · Guru

it is our government fault, and it perfectly know it, but we are weak, as I know,Vietnamese government love Laos and really wants to help laos taught lao officials to copy their economy system which is a sustainable and fast growing economy as we can actually see it, they reminded the high ranking lao government staff to make economy by sparing money, avoiding to purchase unecessaire stuff such as expensive vehicles , building high society's expensive residential palaces for ministers , deputy ministers, heads , deputy heads of depertment and organizations ....(vietnam minister don't have the right to use the official car for his or her personal uses) Regulation is regulation, Law is law for everyone , no exception ... But we refused what vietnam propused us to do ! see, how is our economy .

Dark Angel · Guru

chip wrote:

it is our government fault, and it perfectly know it, but we are weak, as I know,Vietnamese government love Laos and really wants to help laos taught Lao officials to copy their economy system which is a sustainable and fast growing economy as we can actually see it, they reminded the high ranking lao government staff to make economy by sparing money, avoiding to purchase unnecessary stuff such as expensive vehicles , building high society's expensive residential palaces for ministers , deputy ministers, heads , deputy heads of department and organizations ....(vietnam minister don't have the right to use the official car for his or her personal uses) Regulation is regulation, Law is law for everyone , no exception ... But we refused what vietnam proposed us to do ! see, how is our economy .

Very well , Loas does not have to be strong military if our leader is intelligent ( diplomatically ). So I am tired of our stupidly foreign policy with Vietnam and China . let they take too much advantage of our people. Just what I needed( the rock'n roll music).

Lao Isan · Senior Member

Chiip I just hope Lao government has their own mind, and don't listen to everything Vietnam tell them to do. Vietnam is a good friends and allies, but Laos need to do it own thing and stand on it own feet. Not become Vietnam slave and provinces.

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Tuesday 28th of September 2010 02:28:30 AM

chiip · Guru

I know that, Lao esan, but laos at least must listen to what others told you, grab what it is useful and reject what it is bad for us, it is very very good to stand on our own feet but thirty years has gone by, we still cannot built schools for our children, we still need fund from outside, from ordinary people who visited and saw the poverty of lao people in the rural area who need help and have pity of them... We have learned the political theory, one who do something without theory is a strange phenomenon but it will be more strange if one who know well the theory but ignore it or don't follow it.
Thanks Lao Esan for replying me, but the eggs is burning in my kitchen ...so see ya next !

Lao Isan · Senior Member

chiip wrote:

I know that, Lao esan, but laos at least must listen to what others told you, grab what it is useful and reject what it is bad for us, it is very very good to stand on our own feet but thirty years has gone by, we still cannot built schools for our children, we still need fund from outside, from ordinary people who visited and saw the poverty of lao people in the rural area who need help and have pity of them... We have learned the political theory, one who do something without theory is a strange phenomenon but it will be more strange if one who know well the theory but ignore it or don't follow it.
Thanks Lao Esan for replying me, but the eggs is burning in my kitchen ...so see ya next !

Pretty sad after 35 year Laos is still the least developing country. The outsider, the enemy that Laos fight, end up to be the one that's helping us today. Because Vietnam is not doing enough. What Laos need is democracy.

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Tuesday 28th of September 2010 02:33:14 AM

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Tuesday 28th of September 2010 02:35:17 AM

Senoboyish · Veteran Member

Lao Isan wrote:

chiip wrote:

I know that, Lao esan, but laos at least must listen to what others told you, grab what it is useful and reject what it is bad for us, it is very very good to stand on our own feet but thirty years has gone by, we still cannot built schools for our children, we still need fund from outside, from ordinary people who visited and saw the poverty of lao people in the rural area who need help and have pity of them... We have learned the political theory, one who do something without theory is a strange phenomenon but it will be more strange if one who know well the theory but ignore it or don't follow it.
Thanks Lao Esan for replying me, but the eggs is burning in my kitchen ...so see ya next !

Pretty sad after 35 year Laos is still the least developing country. The outsider, the enemy that Laos fight, end up to be the one that's helping us today. Because Vietnam is not doing enough. What Laos need is democracy.

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Tuesday 28th of September 2010 02:33:14 AM

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Tuesday 28th of September 2010 02:35:17 AM

What do u expect Vietnam to do . Vietnam is not a rich country. Vietnam has been struggling with their own economy problem for the past 35 years too .
I think Vietnam has done their best to help Laos .

Ake · Senior Member

I think Laos Government should release a new law that migrant from Vietnam and China must learn Lao language as a major language and using Lao language as the official langluage only.

Lao Isan · Senior Member

Agree. Just like America, Laos should enforce it immigrant law.

Lao Isan · Senior Member

Vietnam economies are growing fast, and developing. But they don't do much for Laos. They has their own agenda. More like they just want to take over Laos. YouTube Vietnam and see how developed their country is compare to Laos.

Dark Angel · Guru

Ake wrote:

I think Laos Government should release a new law that migrant from Vietnam and China must learn Lao language as a major language and using Lao language as the official language only.

That would be great but no way that will happen. Only things will be happening that there will more Chinese Universities and more people will Learn to speak Chinese and Vietnamese in order to get job . Only the Lao speaking people will be minority and a second class citizen working as maids or hotel services and none skill wokers and most of the business people and bosses will be Chinese and Vietnamese and most of lao speaking language will be Thai Esan in Thailand . So Lao language will be dead language soon , most of the new generation Lao America could not speak Lao so do Lao European and Lao Australian. Esan people would speak Lao mix with Thai words and they never know that their ancestors were Lao. Soon Lao people will speak and be like the Chinese in Sip Song Phanna in south part of China.

-- Edited by Dark Angel on Wednesday 29th of September 2010 03:27:08 AM

khonthakek · Guru

Dark Angel wrote:

Ake wrote:

I think Laos Government should release a new law that migrant from Vietnam and China must learn Lao language as a major language and using Lao language as the official language only.

That would be great but no way that will happen. Only things will be happening that there will more Chinese Universities and more people will Learn to speak Chinese and Vietnamese in order to get job . Only the Lao speaking people will be minority and a second class citizen working as maids or hotel services and none skill wokers and most of the business people and bosses will be Chinese and Vietnamese and most of lao speaking language will be Thai Esan in Thailand . So Lao language will be dead language soon , most of the new generation Lao America could not speak Lao so do Lao European and Lao Australian. Esan people would speak Lao mix with Thai words and they never know that their ancestors were Lao. Soon Lao people will speak and be like the Chinese in Sip Song Phanna in south part of China.

-- Edited by Dark Angel on Wednesday 29th of September 2010 03:27:08 AM

the Lao family law has mentioned, the foreigner who expects to change the nationality to be a Lao nationality,that person must speak Lao and understand Lao, Understanding Lao culture as well. as for the immigrant Law, No any countries have such a requirement.?

Dark Angel · Guru

khon thakhek wrote:

Dark Angel wrote:

Take wrote:

I think Laos Government should release a new law that migrant from Vietnam and China must learn Lao language as a major language and using Lao language as the official language only.

That would be great but no way that will happen. Only things will be happening that there will more Chinese Universities and more people will Learn to speak Chinese and Vietnamese in order to get job . Only the Lao speaking people will be minority and a second class citizen working as maids or hotel services and none skill workers and most of the business people and bosses will be Chinese and Vietnamese and most of lao speaking language will be Thai Esan in Thailand . So Lao language will be dead language soon , most of the new generation Lao America could not speak Lao so do Lao European and Lao Australian. Esan people would speak Lao mix with Thai words and they never know that their ancestors were Lao. Soon Lao people will speak and be like the Chinese in Sip Song Phanna in south part of China.

-- Edited by Dark Angel on Wednesday 29th of September 2010 03:27:08 AM

the Lao family law has mentioned, the foreigner who expects to change the nationality to be a Lao nationality,that person must speak Lao and understand Lao, Understanding Lao culture as well. as for the immigrant Law, No any countries have such a requirement.?

That is very good laws but the Chinese and the Vietnamese are willing to learn Lao language and Lao culture or just let Lao kids to learn Chinese and Vietnamese cultures and languages in order for Lao kids to be employed by the Chinese and Vietnamese companies. So what it is the truth and time will tell....50 years from now that how it is going to be in Laos.

-- Edited by Dark Angel on Wednesday 29th of September 2010 10:49:36 AM

chiip · Guru

Hey, Dark Angel ! you're scaring me with your pestimistic reasoning, but you 're right when you want to work with chinese employer, you have to know well chinese the same for vietnamese co. we are in laos I think the opposite think would be better and chinese and vietnamese investors should learn lao before investing in laos or hire interpretors

akaminnya · Member

I think laos words are too complicated to learn