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Chaos in Cairo as Mubarak backers, opponents clash

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Supporters of President Hosni Mubarak, including some riding horses and camels and wielding whips, march towards anti-Mubarak protesters in Cairo, EgyAP – Supporters of President Hosni Mubarak, including some riding horses and camels and wielding whips, march …

CAIRO – Several thousand supporters of President Hosni Mubarak, including some riding horses and camels and wielding whips, attacked anti-government protesters Wednesday as Egypt's upheaval took a dangerous new turn. In scenes of chaos and pitched fighting, the two sides pelted each other with stones, and protesters dragged attackers off their horses.

The turmoil was the first significant violence between supporters of the two camps in more than a week of anti-government protests. It erupted after Mubarak went on national television the night before and rejected demands he step down immediately and said he would serve out the remaining seven months of his term.

A military spokesman appeared on state TV Wednesday and asked the protesters to disperse so life in Egypt could get back to normal. The announcement could mark a major turn in the attitude of the army, which for the past two days has allowed protests to swell, reaching their largest size yet on Tuesday when a quarter-million peacefully packed into Cairo's central Tahrir Square.

Nearly 10,000 protesters massed again in Tahrir on Wednesday morning, rejecting Mubarak's speech as too little too late and renewing their demands he leave immediately.

In the early afternoon Wednesday, around 3,000 Mubarak supporters break through a human chain of anti-government protesters trying to defend thousands gathered in Tahrir, according to an Associated Press reporter at the scene.

Chaos erupted as they tore down banners denouncing the president. Fistfights broke out as they advanced across the massive square in the heart of the capital. The anti-government protesters grabbed Mubarak posters from the hands of the supporters and ripped them.

From there it escalated into outright street battles. The two sides tore up stones from the street and from a nearby construction site and began hurling stones, chunks of concrete and sticks at each, chasing each other as the protesters' human chains moved back to try to shield the larger mass of demonstrators at the plaza's center.

At one point, a small contingent of pro-Mubarak forces on horseback and camels rushed into the anti-Mubarak crowds, swinging whips and sticks to beat people. Protesters retaliated, dragging some from their mounts, throwing them to the ground and beating their faces bloody. The horses and camels likely were the ones used by touts giving rides for tourists.

Gunfire rang out as some soldiers fired in the air in an attempt to control the crowd. But fighting was unabated. A front-line formed on a street next to the Egyptian Museum — the famed treasury of pharaonic antiquities and mummies — as protesters and government backers, some of whom brandished machetes, hurled projectiles at each other from either side of several abandoned military trucks.

Protesters were seen running with their shirts or faces bloodied. Men and women in the crowd were weeping. Scores of wounded were carried to a makeshift clinic at a mosque near the square and on other side streets. Doctors in white coats rushed about with bags of cotton, mercurochrome and bandages. One man with blood coming out of his eye stumbled into a side-street clinic.

The army troops who have been guarding the square had been keeping the two sides apart earlier in the day, but when the clashes erupted they largely did not intervene. Most took shelter behind or inside the armored vehicles and tanks stationed at the entrances to Tahrir.

Some anti-Mubarak protesters argued with soldiers, begging them to help. "Why don't you protect us?" some shouted, while soldiers replied they did not have orders to do so and told people to go home.

Many protesters — who for days have showered the military with love for its neutral stance — now accused the troops had intentionally allowed the attackers into the square. "Hosni has opened the door for these thugs to attack us," one man with a loudspeaker shouted to the crowds during the fighting.

"These are paid thugs," another protester, 52-year-old Emad Nafa, said of the attackers. "The army is neglectful. They let them in."

The new tensions began to emerge immediately following Mubarak's speech Tuesday night. Later in the night, clashes erupted between pro- and anti-government demonstrators in the Mediterranean city of Alexandria, while in Cairo groups of Mubarak supporters took to the streets, some carrying knives and sticks.

Gatherings of Mubarak supporters have also taken a harsher tone against journalists and foreigners. Two Associated Press correspondents and several other journalists were roughed up during various such gatherings. State TV reported Tuesday night that foreigners were caught distributing anti-Mubarak leaflets, apparently trying to depict the movement as foreign-fueled.

The violence could represent a dangerous new chapter in the nearly 10 days of upheaval that has shaken Egypt, which has already taken a series of dramatic and unpredictable twists.

After years of tight state control, protesters emboldened by unrest in Tunisia took to the streets on Jan. 25 and mounted a once-unimaginable series of demonstrations across this nation of 80 million. Initially, police cracked down hard with brutal and deadly clashes on the demonstrators. Then police withdrew completely from the streets for the day, opening a wave of looting, armed robberies and arson — largely separate from the protests themselves — that stunned Egyptians.

But since Sunday, the army moved in to take control and the situation became more peaceful. The military announced it would not stop protests. As a result, the demonstrations swelled dramatically, protesters gained momentum and enthusiasm and many believed Mubarak's immediate fall was at hand. The United States put intense pressure on Mubarak to bring his rule to an end while ensuring a stable handover.

Wednesday's events could mean the regime has had enough, and that it and the military aim to ensure the end of the unrest after the 82-year-old Mubarak made the concession of announcing he would not run for a new six-year term in September elections.

As if to show the crisis was ending, the government began to reinstate Internet service after days of an unprecedented cutoff, and state TV announced the easing of a nighttime curfew, which now runs from 5 p.m. to 7 a.m. instead of 3 p.m. to 8 a.m.

Mubarak supporters were on the street in significant numbers for the first time on Wednesday. Across the Nile River from the chaos in Tahrir Square, around 20,000 pro-government demonstrators held a rally in front of Mustafa Mahmoud Mosque in the upper-class neighborhood of Mohandiseen.

They waved Egyptian flags, their faces painted with the black-white-and-red national colors, and carried a large printed banner with Mubarak's face as police officers surrounded the area and directed traffic. They cheered as a military helicopter swooped overhead.

Many said they came after seeing a notice on state television to attend the protest. Some appeared to be the sort of young toughs that the opposition accuses the regime of paying to be its fist in the streets.

But the large majority were middle-class families, some of whom said Mubarak's concessions were enough and that they feared continued instability and shortages of food and other supplies if protests continue.

"I want the people in Tahrir Square to understand that Mubarak gave his word that he will give them the country to them through elections, peacefully, now they have no reason for demonstrations," said Ali Mahmoud, 52, who identified himself as middle-class worker from Menoufia, a Nile Delta province north of Cairo.

The movement against Mubarak, meanwhile, was working to prevent any slipping in its ranks after the speech and resist any sentiment that the concession may have been enough.

"We recognize deceit when we see it," said protester Nasser Saad Abdel-Latif. "No one will lose their energy ... We won't go until he goes."

One protest organizer said the regime was going all out to pressure people to stop protesting.

"Starting with the emotional speech of Mubarak, to the closure of banks, the shortage of food and commodities and deployment of thugs to intimidate people, these are all means to put pressure on the people," said Ahmed Abdel-Hamid, a representative of the Revolutionary Committee, one of several youth groups that organized the protests.

The movement is fueled by deep frustration with an autocratic regime blamed for ignoring the needs of the poor and allowing corruption and official abuse to run rampant. Tuesday's massive rally in Tahrir showed a large cross-section of Egyptian society.

In his 10-minute speech Tuesday night, Mubarak hit on one of the themes that has been his evocative for some Egyptians in justifying his rule during his nearly three decades in power — that he can keep stability. Now he was promising to do so as he heads out the door.

The president, who almost never admits to reversing himself under pressure, insisted that even if the protests demanding his ouster had not broken out, he would not have sought a sixth term in September.

Somber but firm — without an air of defeat — he said he would serve out the rest of his term working "to accomplish the necessary steps for the peaceful transfer of power." He said he will carry out amendments to rules on presidential elections.

He vowed he would not flee the country. "This is my dear homeland," he said. "I have lived in it, I fought for it and defended its soil, sovereignty and interests. On its soil I will die. History will judge me and all of us."

The step came after heavy pressure from his top ally, the United States. Soon after Mubarak's address, President Barack Obama said at the White House that he had spoken with Mubarak and "he recognizes that the status quo is not sustainable and a change must take place." Obama said he told Mubarak that an orderly transition must be meaningful and peaceful, must begin now and must include opposition parties.

Earlier, a visiting Obama envoy — former ambassador to Egypt Frank Wisner, who is a friend of the Egyptian president — met with Mubarak and made clear to him that it is the U.S. "view that his tenure as president is coming to a close," according to an administration official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the delicacy of the ongoing diplomacy.



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The United States stick the nose in someone else problems again but the United States see no evil and hear no evil from the crime against the humanity which were committed by the dictators and military . Democracy  but end up death by the military snipers shot them in the head .







-- Edited by Dark Angel on Wednesday 2nd of February 2011 05:48:53 PM

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Egyptian They are trying to do the same Tunisian beceause,
Tunisian just having  Democracy in their country,
So How about red shirts they are giving up?


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Okay!! dark angle look like you are smart person could you tell me?
1-When the Thai Government was killing the Red shirts why US Government said not thing just keep the mouth shut why?

2-why pol pot KhME ROUGE was killing 2,5 million people the UN do not thing and say not thing WHY???

Please tell me if you know! because  i do not understand.


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taxi wrote:

Okay!! dark angle look like you are smart person could you tell me?
1-When the Thai Government was killing the Red shirts why US Government said not thing just keep the mouth shut why?

2-why pol pot KhME ROUGE was killing 2,5 million people the UN do not thing and say not thing WHY???

Please tell me if you know! because  i do not understand.



        When there are the crime against the humanity, there are always some people spoke out  but the criminal ( dictator) who committed the crime against the humanity would not care and would never listen  to any one and would do what ever it took just to stay in power used  the deadly force  just to get rid of the political rivals or opponents  but President Mubarak  listens and is willing to give up the power and step down and avoid the bloodshed . So that is my opinion. He is capable to make the situation in Egypt to be worst and destroy Egypt  to the ground and thousand of lives could be killed but he chose not to . Egypt's economic is bad and there are some corruption in the his government . So it doesn't mean that the other government won't have any corruption and also it doesn't mean that the economy of Egypt will be better after he leaves the office. Let wait and see only time will tell.

-- Edited by Dark Angel on Thursday 3rd of February 2011 05:01:28 PM

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Keeping an up date Angel please!!

-- Edited by taxi on Friday 4th of February 2011 04:39:52 PM

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Mubarak is an allies of the US. If his government fall radical Muslim brotherhood might be in power. The country might be worse off. Look at Iran.

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Egypt protester look like Thailand with red shirt.

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Good question Taxi. What about genocide in Rwanda?

-- Edited by Lao Isan on Sunday 6th of February 2011 12:58:34 AM

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Egyptian They are trying to do the same Tunisian beceause,
Tunisian just having  Democracy in their country,
So How about red shirts they are giving up?




Red shirt don't give up. They're protesting 2 time a month in Bangkok.



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After 30 years of military dictator ruled , the Egyptian people realize that the economy of the country will never get any better as long as the military dictator ruling the country. Finally president Hosni Mubarak who became the  president after president Sadat was assassinated and had been ruled Egypt for 3 decades, stepping down to avoid more bloodshed and with the pressure from president Obama. Let wait and see if Egyptian people could prove to the world that the democracy government which will be elected by the people could turn the economy of Egypt around. Egypt gets over billion and half  dollars  foreign aid per year from the United States.




Perhaps Egypt could be the example to all middle East countries including Iran which will be running by the civilian government which  also will be elected by the people . That will be the first step of a long way toward the real democracy and freedom which all human being desire to have.


-- Edited by Dark Angel on Saturday 12th of February 2011 01:39:29 PM

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It is really terrible.

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