They are not Hmong, they are Lao and this organization is new born in town, it's just about a year ago, according to my relatives told me. They have to pay for uniform ( hat. boots, pants, T shirt, shirt and coat ) cost them about $200.00 per suit. They have to pay for their rank's star also that came with their certificate reward package. I heart the rumor of that price is $100.00 per rank. Here's cost them to be the member:

-Uniform.............$ 200.00.

-Ranking stars.....$ 100.00.

-Membership fee....$ 50.00.

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Total....................$ 350.00.

This organization is kind of ripping off people, it sounds like:

KHON KO HA KIN NUM KHON NGO.

Desparated people.

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I am from Laos and visiting my relatives here in the States. I have chance to attend a reunion party of old Royal of Laos soldiers i the town where I am staying with my relatives.

The party was started at 6:00 pm, inside the hall are full with people wearing full commando uniforms mixed with regular civilians cloths. The ceremony was started right after the dinner's over. A host of party was calling the names of the soldiers one by one and presenting his name and his rank to go up and standing on the stage. There are about 80 soldiers ( they are about mid 50 to 60 of ages ) were standing and holding their rank certificate rewards.

After that a leader of their community was giving speech to his members and the guests and said his community is strongly supporting Laos Democracy Party in Laos to oust Laos PDR communist party.

There are over 35 years already, I don't understand how come they are still dreaming to take over Laos?  Why don't they take easy life and spend time with their grand children for the rest of their final lives? They are old and ready to die any time, how come they don't think about their ages?  That's stupid thing to do and without no hope at all.

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 You're not a Royal's army, if you were, you probably speaking or writting a french not an english. an old royal's armies fluently in french languege not an  english. think about it, they 50 and 60 years old. how could they fluent in english? all I knew only a few T28 fighter jets could speak some english just to get by by an american instructures.....................

Please Lao get along each other, every time I came to Samakomlao, laonork and laonai fight each other.  the war was over 36 years ago.  it is time to move on how long we still hate each other.  We must stop blaming and hate these day is never ended it.

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I know that America are full of right wing nuts such as gun lovers and Tea Party Sippers. Appearantly, Lao Americans are just as crazy.  Move on people.  It is already the  21th century.

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 It isn't about the ''Right Wing Nuts''  these people knew how to exercise their constitutional right, and So am I. you must be a canadian liberal left wing ha...

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 To Americans, I think every Canadians can be classified as "liberal left wing ha."  

These ignorant old men are being scammed because what they are doing has absolutely no bearing on the political situation in Laos.  It is sad and laughable at the same time.  

fight as a tiger = run as tiger, that it was, otherwise these old tugs will never get to the US soil.

Nia wrote:

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They are actually Hmong. These Hmong still living in the past who later preach their grand kids about their story during their service in the secret war in Laos and Vietnam war. Also many stories has been made up by these Hmong-American Ex-soldier's. And not all Hmong are innocent by some may claim to be. Also people need to realized that some of these HmongAmerican have hidden agenda for Laos social future because they will do anything to bring Laos and its people down to their level. These Hmong do not want peace. They only want power and suffering of the Lao people as a whole.

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I agreed with you, Hmong was tried so hard to separate Xiengkhuang, Huaphanh and Phongsaly provinces for being the Hmong's territory by  their leader Vang Pao during he was a powerful CIA general army. Vang Pao asked King Sisavang Wattana to give him permission these 3 provinces are under his ruling but he got denied from the King.

If the Royal of Laos win over Laos civil war, Xiengkhuang, Huapanh and Phonsaly will falling into Vang Pao new territory after Samthong and Longcheng and will have new name as Hmong Country.

Here the evidences showed Hmong tried to separate from being with Laos in the late of the 50's:

1. Created Hmong alphabets without permission from the Laos Government and using French alphabets instead Lao's.

2. There was less than 5% of the youngster Hmong that their parents allowed them to attend in Lao school.

3. They had their own schools and teachers whom teaching with their own Hmong school teaching systems.

4. Vang Pao asked 3 provinces from King Sisavang Wattana to be his independent territory in early 60's if he defeated the Patheth Lao communist party.

Meo Vang Pao are evils and tried to occupy some part of Laos. If the Royal of Laos win over Lao civil war with the Patheth Lao they have to deal with Meo Vang Pao for sure, because Vang Pao not stop to ask the King to give him Xiengkhaung, Hauphanh and Phongsaly.

100% agree with you guys even in the U.S. they have their own agenda for Laos i believe back in the 2000's when U.S. finally lift economic sanctions on Laos and cambodia i beleive they were the ones who used our Lanxang flag and protested in front of Lao embassy againts normalizing economic trade between U.S. and Laos. 

wth???? economics is key to bring laos out of poverty what could they be thinking?? they still want U.S. to be enemy with laos??? while U.S. is vietnam biggest investor???/ if Hmong really against communism why are they not protesting vietnamese things as well. after all it was the VIETNAME WAR. and they are soo passionate about fighting communism why only hold rallies when it comes to laos ????? 

i also notice they create organizations in U.S. using "Lao hmong" while majority 99% of the participants and families that profit are Hmong, not Lao. while U.S. gov. think it is benenfiting Lao peopls it is only benefiting the hmong because they use Lao  as a front name..... "lao family " is one example there are more out their especially in minnasota area. 

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100% agree with you guys even in the U.S. they have their own agenda for Laos i believe back in the 2000's when U.S. finally lift economic sanctions on Laos and cambodia i beleive they were the ones who used our Lanxang flag and protested in front of Lao embassy againts normalizing economic trade between U.S. and Laos. 

wth???? economics is key to bring laos out of poverty what could they be thinking?? they still want U.S. to be enemy with laos??? while U.S. is vietnam biggest investor???/ if Hmong really against communism why are they not protesting vietnamese things as well. after all it was the VIETNAME WAR. and they are soo passionate about fighting communism why only hold rallies when it comes to laos ????? 

i also notice they create organizations in U.S. using "Lao hmong" while majority 99% of the participants and families that profit are Hmong, not Lao. while U.S. gov. think it is benenfiting Lao peopls it is only benefiting the hmong because they use Lao  as a front name..... "lao family " is one example there are more out their especially in minnasota area. 

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 I agree! We need to do something about that and let the U.S Government know about this. Also Lao family didn't even benefit or support Lao people because of the Hmong discrimination against the Lao people. These Hmong in the U.S are using our Name to get the millions of dollors of government fund every year for the last 4 decade!!!

Nia wrote:

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100% agree with you guys even in the U.S. they have their own agenda for Laos i believe back in the 2000's when U.S. finally lift economic sanctions on Laos and cambodia i beleive they were the ones who used our Lanxang flag and protested in front of Lao embassy againts normalizing economic trade between U.S. and Laos. 

wth???? economics is key to bring laos out of poverty what could they be thinking?? they still want U.S. to be enemy with laos??? while U.S. is vietnam biggest investor???/ if Hmong really against communism why are they not protesting vietnamese things as well. after all it was the VIETNAME WAR. and they are soo passionate about fighting communism why only hold rallies when it comes to laos ????? 

i also notice they create organizations in U.S. using "Lao hmong" while majority 99% of the participants and families that profit are Hmong, not Lao. while U.S. gov. think it is benenfiting Lao peopls it is only benefiting the hmong because they use Lao  as a front name..... "lao family " is one example there are more out their especially in minnasota area. 

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 I agree! We need to do something about that and let the U.S Government know about this. Also Lao family didn't even benefit or support Lao people because of the Hmong discrimination against the Lao people. These Hmong in the U.S are using our Name to get the millions of dollors of government fund every year for the last 4 decade!!!

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Vang Pao's family members and his people should say thank you to Kaysone Phomvihanh and his party that win the war over the Royal of Laos govt. If the Royal of Laos govt.side had won the war over the Lao communist party, first thing first they will get rid of Vang Pao for sure. King Sysavang Wattana and Prince Souvannaphouma had plan to kill Vang Pao after the war's over, they need to keep him alive just using him and his people to fight Lao communist for them that's all. Over all the Lao communist party was the one save his life not to die young. He's both sides of  Laos political enemy.

ASANG LAOLY is the second hmong people who has high position in LAOS now.

Zak wrote:

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I think this thread got a little out of hand.

First, everyone needs to understand that there are Lao people that grew up in a different time in Laos than you did. They grew up in a time marked by political turmoil. They chose different sides that don't exist today.

Second, I don't think these old veterans are plotting anything. If so, the Lao government should be more worried. And they aren't. It shows you there is no threat. Maybe 30 years ago, yes, but today? When these old veterans of the Royal Lao Military Forces are 60+ years old? No.

Thirdly, I think the point of Royal Lao celebrations is to celebrate their efforts in their beliefs on their side of the war. Just because they lost, just because they are marked as enemies by the current Lao government, never made their fight wrong. I am a keen believer that amnesty should be made towards these veterans that fought so hard for the Laos they believed in, even if it isn't the Laos we all see today.

Lastly, what does the Hmong have to do with this?

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 Well said man....

In reality japaneses who were born in USA, did not even have a chance to do anything for JAPAN, because all of them, not a single japanese family born in Usa allowed to live outside among other americans but in CONCENTRATION CAMPS.

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In reality japaneses who were born in USA, did not even have a chance to do anything for JAPAN, because all of them, not a single japanese family born in Usa allowed to live outside among other americans but in CONCENTRATION CAMPS.

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I saw a movie that showed the story of the Japanese-American born and family that the U.S. put them in Concentration Camp during and even after the war is over. In the movie, the condition of inside the camp is not different from Lao people were living in the refugee camps in Thailand. 

In 2002 I traveled to one of those camps in Oregon when I went visit my friend there. That camp site is like empty town with no people to live there, just a few cars or motor bikes pass by every 10-20 minutes.

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Please close this subject Mr.Webmaster.

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Zak wrote:

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I think this thread got a little out of hand.

First, everyone needs to understand that there are Lao people that grew up in a different time in Laos than you did. They grew up in a time marked by political turmoil. They chose different sides that don't exist today.

Second, I don't think these old veterans are plotting anything. If so, the Lao government should be more worried. And they aren't. It shows you there is no threat. Maybe 30 years ago, yes, but today? When these old veterans of the Royal Lao Military Forces are 60+ years old? No.

Thirdly, I think the point of Royal Lao celebrations is to celebrate their efforts in their beliefs on their side of the war. Just because they lost, just because they are marked as enemies by the current Lao government, never made their fight wrong. I am a keen believer that amnesty should be made towards these veterans that fought so hard for the Laos they believed in, even if it isn't the Laos we all see today.

Lastly, what does the Hmong have to do with this?

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 Please understand that the Hmong were recruited at a very young age. Some of these Hmong vetaren today might be in their 45-55 range who are apart of Vang Pao group. And also they are still very dangerous people both politically and socially even today.

It will take 50 or so years before things can tone down a bit. And beside, Vang Pao die just last year and that will take another or so years added to the 50 or so.

Also The Hmong has a lot of things to do with this and our conversation since it does effect the Lao people as a whole, Not just for Hmong only.

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Nia,

I've been around some of these groups from West Coast, Mid West, and East Coast. I tried to keep up to date info on them. I was never a member but I know these are just a bunch of old guys getting together just to do something. To feel important within their community and their friend. 

IMO...they are not harming anyone other than themselves. They are not going to go liberate anything or start a  revolution. 

It is hard for me to believe these guys will raise enough money to ever do anything. Lao people are so cheap they dont even donate enough to take care of the temple.

Laos gov got so many Vietnamese troops stationed in Laos they don't need to worry about a few group of Hmongs with trying to take over anything. IF and that is a huge IF....it ever happen.

As for change by way of politic....I ask why not? It is still within the boundry of the law. So I say go for it.

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This isn't just a few Hmongs trying to incite terriorist activity inside Laos. It's about Hmong organization like the Lao Family that is run by Hmong and supported only their own people who they use this organization to create a Hmong self politic to brainwash the younger Hmong generation of how they should think or do when the time are right with Laos. The Hmong shouldn't get no intitle of jurisdiction since they have no clear history of their people of doing anything for the majoirty of the Lao people as a whole.

Clearly, are they even considered apart of Lao society democratically or just a people who seem to want their own land,country and language that separate us apart?

 I know quite well about Hmong analogy in all the state there to know what they can now be capable of doing in the near future.

Those Hmong OG are still capable of doing harm to the innocent of the Lao people and it won't just be Lao from Laos being effected by their inciting political idealist against Laos. It will effect those Laotian overseas and around the world who still have family in Laos and our family are inter-twist with it oversea and inside Laos. The Hmong have their own agenda and is not about bring democracy into Laos, but to bring chaos and killing back into our motherland. Since the day these Hmong/Meo came into our motherland and give them land and lives they never rarely socially aligned themselves with the Lao population and has always been among themselves.

That a lone in our history has tells us that these Hmong have their own agenda, and even during and after the Vietnam War they still separate themselves from the rest of the Lao people.

Also, I have no problem with changing Laos political idealist since that will benefit Laos as a whole much more better then the in the past. But bring in these Hmong politician is a whole lot different matter at the same time.

Firstly, Hmong considered themselves separate from the rest of the the Lao socially. Secondly, their culture and language are much different then ours and that we do not aligned with our idealist and nationalism not too well since the Vietnam war ended. Thirdly, Vang Pao and his cult has already destroyed the first and second issue socially among both people that we seem to be stranger in one country because we do not see the same political view as them, nor do they care or respect Lao people or our country as a whole. 

Also not Lao Government not worrying? That is the biggest mistake to even ignoring these issue. As giving it a worst gestured. You know Laos cannot ignore every flick of a finger issue outside of Laos. This can lead to a troubling future and social unrest inside Laos for a very long time. The Hmong are injecting negative politicial cause into many business and other international organization now as we speak!

This will cause Laos as a whole to loss its face internationally and its image. And beside they already done much harm then the Laotian Gov. would ever think. Even the U.S Government are backing these Hmong politiican overseas, while rejecting Lao people overseas and other organization in theh favor of Hmong people and their cause.

In my thought..

"I say it maybe better to send these Hmong back to China like the rest of our neighbors who was wise to not let them live in their land as a safe heaven from the Chinese in the past. Laos at the time was stupid enough to even let them into our territory, while the Chinese were hunting them down like dogs."

-- Edited by Nia on Friday 13th of January 2012 04:26:20 PM