very unclear image, but it gives us some idea how it looked like 1896!!
Wow, how did you get thid photo? It seems to me that That Luang had been damaged ? Perhaps as some one said that was damaged and destryed by the Siamese who bburned down Vientiane twice the first time in 1779 and stole Pr kea and all the national treasure just as solid gold and silver and the worst of all a lot of Laotian became the Siamese slave for centuries that meant losing the freedom. Well , that is the past ,we are lucky that the French came and took most of Lan xang away from Siam. How could we imagine if the French did not take Lan xang away from Siam and Laos is still part of Thailand like Lanna and Esan And Pattani and have been treated like the second class citizen like the Muslim in the southern part of Thailand. Maybe be like the red shirt people which has no justice. So how lucky we are to be independent.
I'm a Laotian American so I would like to put my 2cent 10 cent whatever into this topic.
First of all I believe the picture was for us to see how That Luang look like back then. I was amazed by the difference of how it look now and then. So thank you for posting it up.
Thing is... I'm really annoyed by the same bull crap that always come up. Siam this and Thai that. Let it go, the past is the past... you weren't even born in that era. I'm sure we did the same thing to them. That's how winning the war is like everywhere in world at that time. Capture and burn down everything. Another is that I am sad that Isarn is a part of Thailand, but at the same time good for them. Laos is no longer going to be Laos. Facts are Chinese or Viets already running the place.
Last, northern Thailand, Khon chiang mai, chiang rai... we all know that our prince abandoned them and came back to Lan Xang when his father passed. So the Burmese took over and the Thai got it from them. That's our lost... my ex's khon Tai Lue from Chiang Mai her family speaks lao w/ Chiang Mai style. "Peurn Pa Ou Bor Jao" my fav- "Ngarm Tair Tair Na Jao"
Before anyone starts yapping... I have pride for being khon Lao, pride of our history, heritage, and culture, so don't get it twisted. I just view and hold pride/value in a different way.
I'm a Laotian American so I would like to put my 2cent 10 cent whatever into this topic.
First of all I believe the picture was for us to see how That Luang look like back then. I was amazed by the difference of how it look now and then. So thank you for posting it up.
Thing is... I'm really annoyed by the same bull crap that always come up. Siam this and Thai that. Let it go, the past is the past... you weren't even born in that era. I'm sure we did the same thing to them. That's how winning the war is like everywhere in world at that time. Capture and burn down everything. Another is that I am sad that Isarn is a part of Thailand, but at the same time good for them. Laos is no longer going to be Laos. Facts are Chinese or Viets already running the place.
Last, northern Thailand, Khon chiang mai, chiang rai... we all know that our prince abandoned them and came back to Lan Xang when his father passed. So the Burmese took over and the Thai got it from them. That's our lost... my ex's khon Tai Lue from Chiang Mai her family speaks lao w/ Chiang Mai style. "Peurn Pa Ou Bor Jao" my fav- "Ngarm Tair Tair Na Jao"
Before anyone starts yapping... I have pride for being khon Lao, pride of our history, heritage, and culture, so don't get it twisted. I just view and hold pride/value in a different way.
Lucky for you that you are the Lao American. You are right , we should let it go .and Laotian forgive the Siamese but have the Siamese ever appoligy of what they have done to Lan Xang ? Yes that was the war that Lax xang did not start and invaded Siam. Lan Xang was peaceful country. Of course , Lao will forgive but Lao should not forget, the wound is healed but the scare is still there to learn and to remeber so it would never happen again. You are out of your mind Laos is laos . China is China. and Vietnam is Vietnam. At this time Laos has no choice but to be smart and go along with China And Vietnam and also Thailand in order to survive. Don.t think it better to bepart of Thailand if the french did not take lan Xang away from Siam and Laos will be like Esanand Lanna..and the Muslim inthe southern part of Thailand. So it doesn't matter to you any way because you are the American now So just keep on blaming the Vietnamese and the Chinese..
One more thing that I am not so sure that you claim to be Lao American. It seems to me that if you are Lao American and you would say that our prince abandooned Ching Mai and Chiang Rai that the Thai school teach the Thai children. The truth was Burma was not only take Chiand Mai and Chiang Rai but took the whole Lan xang and lanna and our prince naver abandoned any one. Well, the past is the past.The wound is healed but the scar is still there. Lao people forgive the Siamese but Lao people will never forget what the Siamese had done to the Lao people. Even today 21st centuray the rich Thai people still insult , humiliate and look down at kon Lao and kon Esan and kon Lanna and kon Muslim and treated them as the second class citizen and no justice for these people and no equality of beiing human being and citizen.
Thai people spend a lot of money to Lao country in Lao tourist industry each year meanwile Laos people very hate Thai people. They often blame Thailand , a second class, a redshirt. They know everythink of Thailand, Thailand government activity, blame them but just sometime blame a little to Laos goverment, very strengh. Are they any second class people in Lao currently? How much rich people in laos is original laos? or most of them were Chinease, Vietmanese why? Always think history, history and history again again and again,,, especially with Thailand. Are they any further to think and make plan a target then early to do it? Or Thai people should always think about Burmise invasion and burn Authya (2 times)then took all gold and every thing back to Burma around 280 years ago. like a laos people. Do you can do every think you want to do in Laos? Laos still poor country? How to do for the further? For survival in the new civilization world.
Of course, it is Thailand is the number 1 investor in Laos. Also thailand get good profit from the investment as well. Laos has no choice that there are many Chinese and Vietnamese in Laos in order to survive. History taught us the lesson from yesterday so we won't make the same mistake tomorrow. Just like I said before Lao people don't hate Thai people and also forgive Thai people but Lao people will never forget the lesson in the past just like the wound is healed and no more pain but the scar is still remained there. Also it is up to the Thai people how to make the future . It depends on how do the Thai people treat KonLao and Kon Esan (Lao ethnicity) with respect as human being.. So far as you could see there are some rich and upper class mentally sick people in Bangkok who are racist still humiliated , insulted kon Esan and konLao and there are no racial law to prevent that racist and discrimination. That is why there are no equality of citizenship and no justice for kon Esan and kon Lanna and kon Muslim in the south. That is not up to Kon Lao and Kon Esan and konChiang Mai and konChiand Rai or kon from the northEast or kon from the south that is up to the rich and upper class people and powerful dictators in Bangkok who controlled the military and are the governemnt and ruled the country .and control the court and justice system .
-- Edited by Dark Angel on Sunday 13th of June 2010 12:33:57 PM
I'm a Laotian American so I would like to put my 2cent 10 cent whatever into this topic.
First of all I believe the picture was for us to see how That Luang look like back then. I was amazed by the difference of how it look now and then. So thank you for posting it up.
Thing is... I'm really annoyed by the same bull crap that always come up. Siam this and Thai that. Let it go, the past is the past... you weren't even born in that era. I'm sure we did the same thing to them. That's how winning the war is like everywhere in world at that time. Capture and burn down everything. Another is that I am sad that Isarn is a part of Thailand, but at the same time good for them. Laos is no longer going to be Laos. Facts are Chinese or Viets already running the place.
Last, northern Thailand, Khon chiang mai, chiang rai... we all know that our prince abandoned them and came back to Lan Xang when his father passed. So the Burmese took over and the Thai got it from them. That's our lost... my ex's khon Tai Lue from Chiang Mai her family speaks lao w/ Chiang Mai style. "Peurn Pa Ou Bor Jao" my fav- "Ngarm Tair Tair Na Jao"
Before anyone starts yapping... I have pride for being khon Lao, pride of our history, heritage, and culture, so don't get it twisted. I just view and hold pride/value in a different way.
Hey brother, Can you name the ( LaoPrince) that abandoned Khon Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai at that time ?? i hope you did not take it out from Siam textbook, Ok. Please, i would to know alittle more about what you just said. and you also mention that our country(Laos) has been running by Chinese and Vietnamese. Can you name the Chinese and Vietnamese guys who is incharge and what departments are they running ???
Completition in the world on this time very hard. We have to try to do and work hard, history was for learn and think, what is the week point or good point on that time not repeat reteat and reteat like you. For what? Why you think only Thai second class? So many laos second class everywhere in Loas. Why Laos gorvernment officer like a first class in loas? Thay have a good opportunity. luxuary car. but most of Laos people desn't have like that.
Completition in the world on this time very hard. We have to try to do and work hard, history was for learn and think, what is the week point or good point on that time not repeat reteat and reteat like you. For what? Why you think only Thai second class? So many laos second class everywhere in Loas. Why Laos gorvernment officer like a first class in loas? Thay have a good opportunity. luxuary car. but most of Laos people desn't have like that.
Very well,finally you really show your true color ( yellow).
Completition in the world on this time very hard. We have to try to do and work hard, history was for learn and think, what is the week point or good point on that time not repeat reteat and reteat like you. For what? Why you think only Thai second class? So many laos second class everywhere in Loas. Why Laos gorvernment officer like a first class in loas? Thay have a good opportunity. luxuary car. but most of Laos people desn't have like that.
Very well,finally you really show your true color ( yellow).
I'm who is not important, Important thing is are there any real reason on my opinion?
Someday ,Bangkok will be ashes like what they had done to Vientiane during Rama the Third, this butthole burnt down 126 of our most beautifuliest structures in South East Asis. Here is what I have to say about Thai, "Lao is a LOGS. Khmer is a FIRE, and Thai is an ASHES".
-- Edited by PouChan on Sunday 13th of June 2010 02:22:54 PM
No any interesting by Lao people to second class people in Laos country please wait until you die.
There are people like you selfish , racist who have no passion and humanity for the other human being that is why Thailand never have justice . The world will be better place to live if the people like you just have a little bit of hear and passion. Look between the rich and the poor in Thailand and very little of middle class. look at the system and the laws protecting the rich and powerful people(dictator) who ever get way from violent crime and murdered.
No any interesting by Lao people to second class people in Laos country please wait until you die.
There are people like you selfish , racist who have no passion and humanity for the other human being that is why Thailand never have justice . The world will be better place to live if the people like you just have a little bit of hear and passion. Look between the rich and the poor in Thailand and very little of middle class. look at the system and the laws protecting the rich and powerful people(dictator) who ever get way from violent crime and murdered.
Yes , shot the people in the head dead like the snipers shot the red shirts protesters and then accused the victims to be terrorists and no real investigation and the cases are closed that how they get aways from murder.
I'm a Laotian American so I would like to put my 2cent 10 cent whatever into this topic.
First of all I believe the picture was for us to see how That Luang look like back then. I was amazed by the difference of how it look now and then. So thank you for posting it up.
Thing is... I'm really annoyed by the same bull crap that always come up. Siam this and Thai that. Let it go, the past is the past... you weren't even born in that era. I'm sure we did the same thing to them. That's how winning the war is like everywhere in world at that time. Capture and burn down everything. Another is that I am sad that Isarn is a part of Thailand, but at the same time good for them. Laos is no longer going to be Laos. Facts are Chinese or Viets already running the place.
Last, northern Thailand, Khon chiang mai, chiang rai... we all know that our prince abandoned them and came back to Lan Xang when his father passed. So the Burmese took over and the Thai got it from them. That's our lost... my ex's khon Tai Lue from Chiang Mai her family speaks lao w/ Chiang Mai style. "Peurn Pa Ou Bor Jao" my fav- "Ngarm Tair Tair Na Jao"
Before anyone starts yapping... I have pride for being khon Lao, pride of our history, heritage, and culture, so don't get it twisted. I just view and hold pride/value in a different way.
Hey brother, Can you name the ( LaoPrince) that abandoned Khon Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai at that time ?? i hope you did not take it out from Siam textbook, Ok. Please, i would to know alittle more about what you just said. and you also mention that our country(Laos) has been running by Chinese and Vietnamese. Can you name the Chinese and Vietnamese guys who is incharge and what departments are they running ???
Setthatirat and vietnamese who's in charge? lol Laos is building Ho chi min's statue, how come no past Kings or heroes statue but Ho chi min... if not viet, why that. also unlike esarn, why is it that most chiang rai/mai doesn't speak in thai media about their lao blood. lol you tell me the real history and if you don't have proof i don't need it.
I'm a Laotian American so I would like to put my 2cent 10 cent whatever into this topic.
First of all I believe the picture was for us to see how That Luang look like back then. I was amazed by the difference of how it look now and then. So thank you for posting it up.
Thing is... I'm really annoyed by the same bull crap that always come up. Siam this and Thai that. Let it go, the past is the past... you weren't even born in that era. I'm sure we did the same thing to them. That's how winning the war is like everywhere in world at that time. Capture and burn down everything. Another is that I am sad that Isarn is a part of Thailand, but at the same time good for them. Laos is no longer going to be Laos. Facts are Chinese or Viets already running the place.
Last, northern Thailand, Khon chiang mai, chiang rai... we all know that our prince abandoned them and came back to Lan Xang when his father passed. So the Burmese took over and the Thai got it from them. That's our lost... my ex's khon Tai Lue from Chiang Mai her family speaks lao w/ Chiang Mai style. "Peurn Pa Ou Bor Jao" my fav- "Ngarm Tair Tair Na Jao"
Before anyone starts yapping... I have pride for being khon Lao, pride of our history, heritage, and culture, so don't get it twisted. I just view and hold pride/value in a different way.
Hey brother, Can you name the ( LaoPrince) that abandoned Khon Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai at that time ?? i hope you did not take it out from Siam textbook, Ok. Please, i would to know alittle more about what you just said. and you also mention that our country(Laos) has been running by Chinese and Vietnamese. Can you name the Chinese and Vietnamese guys who is incharge and what departments are they running ???
Setthatirat and vietnamese who's in charge? lol Laos is building Ho chi min's statue, how come no past Kings or heroes statue but Ho chi min... if not viet, why that. also unlike esarn, why is it that most chiang rai/mai doesn't speak in thai media about their lao blood. lol you tell me the real history and if you don't have proof i don't need it.
Hey man, this idiot racist mentally sick guy must stop insulting the Lao people .My father is kon Esan and I was born in Nong Kai and all my family are living in Udon and Roi Et and Nong Kai and also in Vientiane. Why we have to talked in the Thai media which are controlled by the dictators and never tell the true stories unlike the CNN, Al Jazeera and BBC.Would you please shut up, we know who we are OK . We eat sticky rice, we eat Padek and we speak Lao. we want to build any statue of good person not the criminal and the robber and the thieves who invaded Laos and stole Lao treasure and caused painful lesson For centuries.You could not prove and you don't have to but don't insult kon Lao. Kon Esan, kon Chiang Mai,kon Chiang Rai know who we are OK. Lao prince had never abandoned any one and matter of fact Lan Xang even moved the capital to Vientiane because of the Burmese invasion. Stop brain wash OK. Also teach the true history about Esan, Lannaa aand also about the true of the Muslim people and the Preah Vihear temple who was the one who built that temple.Teach the truth.
-- Edited by Dark Angel on Tuesday 15th of June 2010 10:04:39 AM
SICK? (how rude) don't get offended... isarns are lao by history. if your dad's khon isarn good for you. my dad's lao. History? I'm no teacher, i know the angkor khmers built the vihear... and the muslim? I don't know histroy about muslim. I didn't say anything about muslim first of all or a matters of fact ABOUT Vihear temple? so grow up and don't put words in ppl's mouth. Proud Lao?!, only some of khon isarn are... truth hurts buddy. Come to America buddy and you'll know that Isarn's will tell caucasian they're Thai. **** they will tell me their Thai and speak Thai. I met some that speaks Lao, but most speak Thai. Oh and history, all of Laos and Thailand belong to Khmer Kingdom if you want to keep bringing up history. That's why it's the past. I speak my part against ppl who, prob has low selfesteem when it comes to Thais. Not me, I can walk next to any racist w/ my head up high and be proud being Lao aka (being me) without crying or hating other races or ethnicity cause of the past. You call me SICK, I think your self absorbed and has refused to move forward. Thank you and I'll wait for your reply. *winks*
I'm a Laotian American so I would like to put my 2cent 10 cent whatever into this topic.
First of all I believe the picture was for us to see how That Luang look like back then. I was amazed by the difference of how it look now and then. So thank you for posting it up.
Thing is... I'm really annoyed by the same bull crap that always come up. Siam this and Thai that. Let it go, the past is the past... you weren't even born in that era. I'm sure we did the same thing to them. That's how winning the war is like everywhere in world at that time. Capture and burn down everything. Another is that I am sad that Isarn is a part of Thailand, but at the same time good for them. Laos is no longer going to be Laos. Facts are Chinese or Viets already running the place.
Last, northern Thailand, Khon chiang mai, chiang rai... we all know that our prince abandoned them and came back to Lan Xang when his father passed. So the Burmese took over and the Thai got it from them. That's our lost... my ex's khon Tai Lue from Chiang Mai her family speaks lao w/ Chiang Mai style. "Peurn Pa Ou Bor Jao" my fav- "Ngarm Tair Tair Na Jao"
Before anyone starts yapping... I have pride for being khon Lao, pride of our history, heritage, and culture, so don't get it twisted. I just view and hold pride/value in a different way.
Hey brother, Can you name the ( LaoPrince) that abandoned Khon Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai at that time ?? i hope you did not take it out from Siam textbook, Ok. Please, i would to know alittle more about what you just said. and you also mention that our country(Laos) has been running by Chinese and Vietnamese. Can you name the Chinese and Vietnamese guys who is incharge and what departments are they running ???
Setthatirat and vietnamese who's in charge? lol Laos is building Ho chi min's statue, how come no past Kings or heroes statue but Ho chi min... if not viet, why that. also unlike esarn, why is it that most chiang rai/mai doesn't speak in thai media about their lao blood. lol you tell me the real history and if you don't have proof i don't need it.
If you brother think that, our Prince, Sethathirath abandoned Khon chiangmai and Lanna. you need to read a history textbook again bro. Not just from a Siamese history textbook. They the Siam said the same about Chao-Anou. the Siamese acused Chao Anou rised-up against them. But, they don't realize that ChaoAnou tried to help his people from the oppressive government from Bangkok. and as for the statue of Ho-Chiminh in laos, again, you seem to forget that North Vietnamese help Pathedlao(PDR) take over the Country in 75. of course, they the PDR have the right do whatever they want to. because they are running the country. doesn't matter what we say outside the country, they the PDR don't care about it. Am i right.
SICK? (how rude) don't get offended... isarns are lao by history. if your dad's khon isarn good for you. my dad's lao. History? I'm no teacher, i know the angkor khmers built the vihear... and the muslim? I don't know histroy about muslim. I didn't say anything about muslim first of all or a matters of fact ABOUT Vihear temple? so grow up and don't put words in ppl's mouth. Proud Lao?!, only some of khon isarn are... truth hurts buddy. Come to America buddy and you'll know that Isarn's will tell caucasian they're Thai. **** they will tell me their Thai and speak Thai. I met some that speaks Lao, but most speak Thai. Oh and history, all of Laos and Thailand belong to Khmer Kingdom if you want to keep bringing up history. That's why it's the past. I speak my part against ppl who, prob has low selfesteem when it comes to Thais. Not me, I can walk next to any racist w/ my head up high and be proud being Lao aka (being me) without crying or hating other races or ethnicity cause of the past. You call me SICK, I think your self absorbed and has refused to move forward. Thank you and I'll wait for your reply. *winks*
Hey my friend, you are the one who insult Laos first and told me that the Lao prince abandonned Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai that was not what I have been taught in Lao school. and then the worst insulted that you have done by what you wrote above Setthatirat and Vitenamese who's ib charge and Lao is building Ho Chi Min 's statue So with these insuled that I assumed that you are better stop insulting the Lao people. Of course kon Esan will tell every body that they are thai because Esan is part of Thailand. But every body know that kon Esan are Thai citizenand Lao ethnicity. Kon Esan like my father eats sticky rice, Padek and speak Lao to me. Kon Esan speak lao better than Lao American kids. Any way if you are really Lao American so go back and learn the truth about the Lao prince whom you claimed that he abandonned Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai.
-- Edited by Dark Angel on Wednesday 16th of June 2010 03:23:22 PM
I'm a Laotian American so I would like to put my 2cent 10 cent whatever into this topic.
First of all I believe the picture was for us to see how That Luang look like back then. I was amazed by the difference of how it look now and then. So thank you for posting it up.
Thing is... I'm really annoyed by the same bull crap that always come up. Siam this and Thai that. Let it go, the past is the past... you weren't even born in that era. I'm sure we did the same thing to them. That's how winning the war is like everywhere in world at that time. Capture and burn down everything. Another is that I am sad that Isarn is a part of Thailand, but at the same time good for them. Laos is no longer going to be Laos. Facts are Chinese or Viets already running the place.
Last, northern Thailand, Khon chiang mai, chiang rai... we all know that our prince abandoned them and came back to Lan Xang when his father passed. So the Burmese took over and the Thai got it from them. That's our lost... my ex's khon Tai Lue from Chiang Mai her family speaks lao w/ Chiang Mai style. "Peurn Pa Ou Bor Jao" my fav- "Ngarm Tair Tair Na Jao"
Before anyone starts yapping... I have pride for being khon Lao, pride of our history, heritage, and culture, so don't get it twisted. I just view and hold pride/value in a different way.
Hey brother, Can you name the ( LaoPrince) that abandoned Khon Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai at that time ?? i hope you did not take it out from Siam textbook, Ok. Please, i would to know alittle more about what you just said. and you also mention that our country(Laos) has been running by Chinese and Vietnamese. Can you name the Chinese and Vietnamese guys who is incharge and what departments are they running ???
I'm a Laotian American so I would like to put my 2cent 10 cent whatever into this topic.
First of all I believe the picture was for us to see how That Luang look like back then. I was amazed by the difference of how it look now and then. So thank you for posting it up.
Thing is... I'm really annoyed by the same bull crap that always come up. Siam this and Thai that. Let it go, the past is the past... you weren't even born in that era. I'm sure we did the same thing to them. That's how winning the war is like everywhere in world at that time. Capture and burn down everything. Another is that I am sad that Isarn is a part of Thailand, but at the same time good for them. Laos is no longer going to be Laos. Facts are Chinese or Viets already running the place.
Last, northern Thailand, Khon chiang mai, chiang rai... we all know that our prince abandoned them and came back to Lan Xang when his father passed. So the Burmese took over and the Thai got it from them. That's our lost... my ex's khon Tai Lue from Chiang Mai her family speaks lao w/ Chiang Mai style. "Peurn Pa Ou Bor Jao" my fav- "Ngarm Tair Tair Na Jao"
Before anyone starts yapping... I have pride for being khon Lao, pride of our history, heritage, and culture, so don't get it twisted. I just view and hold pride/value in a different way.
Hey brother, Can you name the ( LaoPrince) that abandoned Khon Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai at that time ?? i hope you did not take it out from Siam textbook, Ok. Please, i would to know alittle more about what you just said. and you also mention that our country(Laos) has been running by Chinese and Vietnamese. Can you name the Chinese and Vietnamese guys who is incharge and what departments are they running ???
That's what I thought that you are Thai not Lao American to to say that Lao prince abandonned Chiang Mai and Chiang Rai. So no need for me to confront with you and I do understand how you have been taught but I would like to let you know to find out the truth not only to learn from what your government would like you to learn and to know.Just like your Thai media which are controlled by the dictators and you think all the news that you hear and see your your Meida are the whole story and all the truth or just part of the fact and some of the truth. You have to compare and listen for all sides of the people who were involved and has the open mind and willing to accept the truth from all eveidences and all the people who were related to. . Lan Xang , Lanna and Siam , Burma, china, Cambodia and Vietnam and Also France and England and also Malaysia that the same time and see what did they say The world has been witnessing about your Thai media lately that has never mention about the Thai military snipers who murdered the red shirt protesters in cold blood and then accussiing the victims to be the terroriss.
just let it gone, it's enough to talk about it, what they did in the past now it already back to them like we see now. the important thing is we should look around ourself. are we improve our view, mind or our knowledge or not? let them see that lao people not undevelop like many people thinks. the new generation like us should strong, learn from the mistake in the past and KEEP GO ON. Lao su su ^_^
